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The problem is, I honestly believe this...



If they don't like what I had to say, I'm sure they won't bother posting it.
And then someone else can give it a shot.
:)

I will wait for more people to give feedback or additional ideas before I submit anything.
And anyone else is certainly encouraged to put together their own version.

Perhaps we can even vote on one.
:2c:

I wasn't thinking of a time frame so much as how a person could tell they were ready to go down a step... like for me when I feel really comfortable and back of the use of my pv a little I step down.
 

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Sooo We're eating a lot of salad in an effort to get more healthy... as most of us know eating salad is useless if you heap a bunch of fattenting dressing on it so I looked up recipes for low fat salad dressings.

I have to get creative so we're not eating the same thing all the time.

Tonight we had cranberry orange salad with pepperjack cheese and lean beef, topped with homemade citrus vinnegrette dressing... it was the yums!!!
 

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The problem is, I honestly believe this...



If they don't like what I had to say, I'm sure they won't bother posting it.
And then someone else can give it a shot.
:)

I will wait for more people to give feedback or additional ideas before I submit anything.
And anyone else is certainly encouraged to put together their own version.

Perhaps we can even vote on one.
:2c:

DC2 I like it. You may want to take Shannon's suggestion about putting something in there about stepping down when comfortable though.

I agree with what you believe but don't forget this is not just for us and not everyone is going to understand that if they have never used one before. They will after though!

You could just put it at the end of that sentence: They let you quit smoking your way, on your own timeframe, in a way that is most comfortable for you as you step down the nicotine to zero. or something along that line.

You did much better than I could ever do - that's for sure.
 

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I think it looks good DC, at the very least it's a good start.

/Rant On
Reading more and more of the pseudo-science of quitting, I'm leaning more toward e-cigs to be the best method for anyone to quit, along with other reduced-harm alternatives like snus for very long-term smokers. How many people are seriously going to go to all the trouble of learning all the "science" (and I use the term loosely) of "addiction" and "quitting"? It's far to easy to just put it off. Granted, a select few will... but what about all the millions of others who won't/can't bother?

I was reading the post about "I was happier smoking", and it just makes me sad. The guy is totally unhappy and depressed, and all he's getting is a bunch of mumbo-jumbo crap that he's in no mood to think about. No one wants to even consider that after 45 years of smoking, he may be physically incapable of following the plan without serious medical help (as in something to replace the MAOIs that his brain has become accustomed to after so long).

Sorry for the rant... I feel for the guy, cause I was in his shoes. I thought I was losing my mind for a bit, until I got on medication. I have to wonder if some of us will ever fully recover from all the years of smoking, and all the "think happy thoughts and unicorns and bunnies will come make it go away" doesn't do a damn thing.
 

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I'm thinking about it.... I'm trying to decide whether to make a thread on misconceptions about electronic cigarettes or put it in the Drs section what do you think Johnn?

They have a Dr's section? Did I miss something? ( or did you mean the thread what do doctors think about e-cigs)

Can you post videos over there like we can do here to display in the page? If so, I think a central thread for videos would be best cus we could post a lot of them. Call it something like E-cigs in the media. That's just mu opinion however, you do it the best way your comfortable with.
 

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Sooo We're eating a lot of salad in an effort to get more healthy... as most of us know eating salad is useless if you heap a bunch of fattenting dressing on it so I looked up recipes for low fat salad dressings.

I have to get creative so we're not eating the same thing all the time.

Tonight we had cranberry orange salad with pepperjack cheese and lean beef, topped with homemade citrus vinnegrette dressing... it was the yums!!!

Sounds delicious!

One of the nutrition stores I managed was two doors down from a Cinnabon. You wouldn't believe how many times I had someone come in with a cinnamon roll in hand asking how they could lose weight. At least they had a diet coke to wash it down. :facepalm:
 

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They have a Dr's section? Did I miss something? ( or did you mean the thread what do doctors think about e-cigs)

Can you post videos over there like we can do here to display in the page? If so, I think a central thread for videos would be best cus we could post a lot of them. Call it something like E-cigs in the media. That's just mu opinion however, you do it the best way your comfortable with.

At I guess I'm think we can only post links but that's merely based on the fact I've not seen any videos posted. That set up isn't as advanced as this one.
 

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Sounds delicious!

One of the nutrition stores I managed was two doors down from a Cinnabon. You wouldn't believe how many times I had someone come in with a cinnamon roll in hand asking how they could lose weight. At least they had a diet coke to wash it down. :facepalm:

You know my stepmom told me that diet soda can actually promote weight gain. I never researched that though because I just can't do diet soda. *makes face*
 

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I am not a big salad person but I have discovered the wonders of using a dry seasoning mix on salads, no dressing. onion, garlic, spices, salt & pepper, paprika, parsley, whatever. We also use these spice mixes on veggies. We came across this one day when wanting a salad nad having no dressing in the house. We had just gotten Pizza from papa Johns and had some seasoning mix they give you. Turned out yummy. Also years ago I used to make my salad then put some in a food processor set to puree and use that for a salad dressing.. very good, fresh and tasty.


Sooo We're eating a lot of salad in an effort to get more healthy... as most of us know eating salad is useless if you heap a bunch of fattenting dressing on it so I looked up recipes for low fat salad dressings.

I have to get creative so we're not eating the same thing all the time.

Tonight we had cranberry orange salad with pepperjack cheese and lean beef, topped with homemade citrus vinnegrette dressing... it was the yums!!!
 

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I think it looks good DC, at the very least it's a good start.

/Rant On
Reading more and more of the pseudo-science of quitting, I'm leaning more toward e-cigs to be the best method for anyone to quit, along with other reduced-harm alternatives like snus for very long-term smokers. How many people are seriously going to go to all the trouble of learning all the "science" (and I use the term loosely) of "addiction" and "quitting"? It's far to easy to just put it off. Granted, a select few will... but what about all the millions of others who won't/can't bother?

I was reading the post about "I was happier smoking", and it just makes me sad. The guy is totally unhappy and depressed, and all he's getting is a bunch of mumbo-jumbo crap that he's in no mood to think about. No one wants to even consider that after 45 years of smoking, he may be physically incapable of following the plan without serious medical help (as in something to replace the MAOIs that his brain has become accustomed to after so long).

Sorry for the rant... I feel for the guy, cause I was in his shoes. I thought I was losing my mind for a bit, until I got on medication. I have to wonder if some of us will ever fully recover from all the years of smoking, and all the "think happy thoughts and unicorns and bunnies will come make it go away" doesn't do a damn thing.

I agree with you. Today matches my longest quit attempt (patch). Every time I quit, I was constantly wanting/thinking about a cigarette. Even with NRT where I was getting nicotine. I've since realized, it wasn't the nic that made me go back to the cigs, it was something else. Along with the PV, I've been taking vitamin D and St. John's Wort. They (obviously) didn't start working immediately, but my mood has definitely improved and I'm no longer depressed.
 

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You know my stepmom told me that diet soda can actually promote weight gain. I never researched that though because I just can't do diet soda. *makes face*

I was being sarcastic about the diet soda. I don't know how anybody could deal with the aftertaste of some of those artificial sweeteners. Gag me with a spoon... No offense meant to those that like diet soda, it just isn't my thing.

The only non-sugar sweetener I can stand is stevia. It's certainly sweet, just a "different" kind of sweet. You gotta be careful with it though. Too much and it tends to have a bitter licorice aftertaste. A little goes a really long way.
 

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I know what you mean. I read that thread too and didn't know how to answer him so I didn't. I have learned our brains will retrain themselves for different behaviors over time. There are some Great mental tricks we can use to help this out like "The HAMR" Hand Actuated Mental Reconditioning Hand Actuated Mental Reconditioning. <-- and This does work.. but like anything it's short term in my opinion and you have to keep using it much like a positive affirmation. The real lasting work will only be done over time as your brain rewires itself. His mental state didn't acquire these changes overnight, they cannot be undone overnight.


I think it looks good DC, at the very least it's a good start.

/Rant On
Reading more and more of the pseudo-science of quitting, I'm leaning more toward e-cigs to be the best method for anyone to quit, along with other reduced-harm alternatives like snus for very long-term smokers. How many people are seriously going to go to all the trouble of learning all the "science" (and I use the term loosely) of "addiction" and "quitting"? It's far to easy to just put it off. Granted, a select few will... but what about all the millions of others who won't/can't bother?

I was reading the post about "I was happier smoking", and it just makes me sad. The guy is totally unhappy and depressed, and all he's getting is a bunch of mumbo-jumbo crap that he's in no mood to think about. No one wants to even consider that after 45 years of smoking, he may be physically incapable of following the plan without serious medical help (as in something to replace the MAOIs that his brain has become accustomed to after so long).

Sorry for the rant... I feel for the guy, cause I was in his shoes. I thought I was losing my mind for a bit, until I got on medication. I have to wonder if some of us will ever fully recover from all the years of smoking, and all the "think happy thoughts and unicorns and bunnies will come make it go away" doesn't do a damn thing.
 

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Okay, I decided to take out the part about Hon Lik and the Nobel Prize.
I thought it was a little bit over the top.
:)

I agree I need to mention somewhere, somehow about stepping down nicotine, so maybe this?



My method to successfully quit smoking is the electronic cigarette.

I firmly believe that it is the best method in existence. It is beyond question the most successful method in existence, and there is much research underway as we speak that will clearly show that. Many people who have tried to quit dozens of times using many of the other methods mentioned here, only to eventually relapse to smoking again, feel that electronic cigarettes are truly a miracle.

If anyone tells you that electronic cigarettes are dangerous, or that we don’t know what is in them, or that the FDA said they contain toxins, carcinogens, or anti-freeze, please read the following:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf

Now that we have dispensed with that bit of nonsense…


How to quit smoking using an electronic cigarette

The first step is to buy a good product for a good price. That means to avoid almost everything that is widely advertised or comes up in a Google search. Such products are marketed by companies who often sell poor performing products at outrageous prices. It is also very unlikely to find a quality product at a reasonable price in a mall, at a liquor store, or in a tobacco shop. Far too many people were introduced to the electronic cigarette through one of the outlets mentioned above, only to come to the conclusion that the products do not work very well, and will not work for them.

For the lucky ones that see the potential, and decide to do some research in order to find out if there is a better product, it does not take long to find out that there most certainly is. In fact, there is an entire world of better products that most people have no idea exists.

Now for the most important thing I can say to anyone reading this…

It is essential that anyone using an electronic cigarette find a good, independent electronic cigarette forum for guidance on finding a quality product at a reasonable price.

Not only will you need a good product, at a reasonable price, but you will need to find out the kind of electronic cigarette you need for your particular situation. And you will need to learn how to properly use an electronic cigarette, because there is a bit of a learning curve. The only way to do these things is to interact with those who have come before you and have experience. And unless you know someone who has successfully used an electronic cigarette to quit smoking, your ONLY option for finding such help is an electronic cigarette forum. And as a bonus, there are some excellent electronic cigarette forums that are full of wonderful, helpful people who also serve as a fantastic support group. And a support group can be helpful too, although quitting smoking using electronic cigarettes can be so easy that you may not need any support at all.

As for HOW you quit smoking using an electronic cigarette, I can not tell you that. And really, that is part of the wonder of electronic cigarettes. They let you quit smoking your way, on your own timeframe, in a way that is most comfortable for you.

Once you're off the cigarettes, you have accomplished the most important goal, which is to stop inhaling smoke from burning tobacco. That part can be accomplished very quickly, and to be honest, almost painlessly. After that, you can simply step down on the nicotine content over time, until you reach zero.
 

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You know my stepmom told me that diet soda can actually promote weight gain. I never researched that though because I just can't do diet soda. *makes face*

The theory is that most sweeteners still generate a certain insulin response and that then causes munchies in people who are predisposed, for other reasons, to overeating. I actually noticed the same sort of munchies happen when I vape sweetened juices too. I'm prone to eating huge amounts of BBQ when I get the munchies. -Magnus
 

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The theory is that most sweeteners still generate a certain insulin response and that then causes munchies in people who are predisposed, for other reasons, to overeating. I actually noticed the same sort of munchies happen when I vape sweetened juices too. I'm prone to eating huge amounts of BBQ when I get the munchies. -Magnus

BBq chips are one my favorite snacks...yeah gotta be careful with that.
 

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The theory is that most sweeteners still generate a certain insulin response and that then causes munchies in people who are predisposed, for other reasons, to overeating. I actually noticed the same sort of munchies happen when I vape sweetened juices too. I'm prone to eating huge amounts of BBQ when I get the munchies. -Magnus

What's wrong with huge amounts of BBQ? :)

I'm about to bust out the smoker and grill for the first time this year. Spring was only 4 days long... It snowed last week and today it's 85. I miss San Diego...
 

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Okay, I decided to take out the part about Hon Lik and the Nobel Prize.
I thought it was a little bit over the top.
:)

I agree I need to mention somewhere, somehow about stepping down nicotine, so maybe this?

I like that better I'd make a sugestion as to how much to reduce at a time myself but then again it seems to be different from person to person.
 

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I think it looks good DC, at the very least it's a good start.

/Rant On
Reading more and more of the pseudo-science of quitting, I'm leaning more toward e-cigs to be the best method for anyone to quit, along with other reduced-harm alternatives like snus for very long-term smokers. How many people are seriously going to go to all the trouble of learning all the "science" (and I use the term loosely) of "addiction" and "quitting"? It's far to easy to just put it off. Granted, a select few will... but what about all the millions of others who won't/can't bother?

I was reading the post about "I was happier smoking", and it just makes me sad. The guy is totally unhappy and depressed, and all he's getting is a bunch of mumbo-jumbo crap that he's in no mood to think about. No one wants to even consider that after 45 years of smoking, he may be physically incapable of following the plan without serious medical help (as in something to replace the MAOIs that his brain has become accustomed to after so long).

Sorry for the rant... I feel for the guy, cause I was in his shoes. I thought I was losing my mind for a bit, until I got on medication. I have to wonder if some of us will ever fully recover from all the years of smoking, and all the "think happy thoughts and unicorns and bunnies will come make it go away" doesn't do a damn thing.

I was reading online about addiction vs substance abuse. One in particular said not all substance abuse leads to addiction, but it and nearly all other sites talk about how once it becomes addiction it negatively impacts the addict's life (endagering health, the financial costs, changes behavior for the worse, etc.) and causes them and their loved ones so much misery and pain.

I can totally agree with that when it comes to smoking, but my e-cig use has only made me and my family happier, cost me less money and improved my health! I have no misery and have little health risks. And I don't know if it can be called substance abuse because I don't really use it any differently than caffeine, which ISN'T considered substance abuse when use recreationally. Sure, I'd probably suffer withdrawl for a while after I quit, but the current use isn't negatively impacting my life in the same way drug or alcohol or any obsessive addiction probably would. I know they'd just say I was in denial, but I KNEW I was unhappy smoking - so why would vaping be able to fool me into thinking I (and my family) was happy if I wasn't??


I was being sarcastic about the diet soda. I don't know how anybody could deal with the aftertaste of some of those artificial sweeteners. Gag me with a spoon... No offense meant to those that like diet soda, it just isn't my thing.

The only non-sugar sweetener I can stand is stevia. It's certainly sweet, just a "different" kind of sweet. You gotta be careful with it though. Too much and it tends to have a bitter licorice aftertaste. A little goes a really long way.

I hate the taste of most diet soda, except diet Dr. Pepper and Pepsi Max. For some reason Pepsi Max doesn't have that same horrible after taste to us. It actually converted me from drinking Coca Cola!
 
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