E-Cigarette Forum Discussion Thread

[Randyrtx]

When I talked to my doctor about my "theories", he also suggested St John's. I'm going to have to start looking into this more seriously myself, because I also don't like being dependant on the prescription anti-depressants.

ETA: Goodnight all, I'm looking forward to continuing this conversation tomorrow.

 

[LibertariaNate]

I read the "are we getting it or not" thread when I first joined. That's where I got my first introduction to the MAOIs in tobacco and learned a bit about snus.

Vapelicious looks to be down for maintenance.

I'll be sure to go through those threads when I'm feeling a bit more coherent.

 

[LibertariaNate]

When I talked to my doctor about my "theories", he also suggested St John's. I'm going to have to start looking into this more seriously myself, because I also don't like being dependant on the prescription anti-depressants.

ETA: Goodnight all, I'm looking forward to continuing this conversation tomorrow.

I've been taking the Wort for about a month and a half. It seemed to help after taking it for a couple weeks, but that no longer seems to be the case. Admittedly, I do miss a "dose" every once in a while.

 

[kristin]

And you think those low fat foods taste good. A pattern is beginning to emerge here, Missy.

It's not that I don't appreciate fine Belgian or Dutch chocolate. I just grew up with Hershey's, so it has that sort of "comfort food" effect on me. I dislike Dove and Nestle chocolate and cheapo chocolate, so I do have taste! lol!

(And I didn't say ALL low-fat food tastes good!)

 

[kristin]

I read the "are we getting it or not" thread when I first joined. That's where I got my first introduction to the MAOIs in tobacco and learned a bit about snus.

+1

If it wasn't for that thread, my husband would probably be smoking. He was one of those "something is missing" folks. (Mild depression, anxiety and/or panic attacks.) With vaping he was down to 1/2-2 cigarettes a day from a pack a day, but just couldn't give them up completely. He mentioned snus, but I was still under the disillusion that all smokeless tobacco caused oral cancer (and was worse than smoking for oral cancer.) Obviously, this was before I was really active in CASAA. That thread and further research showed me the light and we got my hubby Swedish snus and he was able to quit smoking almost immediately. He's been smoke free 1 1/2 years now.

It's also one of the reasons I'm more about tobacco harm reduction and not just e-cigarettes. I know they don't work the same for everyone, so smokers need to develop a regimen that works for them. It also showed me the light that smokers smoke for different reasons. If I could quit the day I pick up an e-cig but my husband needs something else from tobacco (thankfully, not from the SMOKE) then we were smoking for different reasons. (I just needed the hand-to-mouth and he needed chemicals.) If that is true, the generally accepted theory that all smokers only smoke because they are addicted to nicotine is dangerously wrong. I felt obligated to get the truth out!

 

[kristin]

I'm out too, gang. See you tomorrow!

 

[MagnusEunson]

I've not understanding why a tobacco tea wouldn't provide enough WTA and nicotine to vape. Use PG, water, and an iced tea condenser to capture the results. I've read the arbitrary statements about steeping not working well enough but I'm not buying it (yet). Grinding the full leaf and steep it at the 175-185 degree range. PG won't evaporate at that temperature and any iced tea condenser will prevent further loss, no? I must be missing something because that's too obvious. -Magnus

 

[XBB]

Thanks for coming to defend my honor on that thread guys. You all rock! I addressed it, as well.

Morning Kirsten,
I'm so sorry to see you slammed like that for your Artboxz's. From the posts I've seen of you I have the highest respect for you and I believe you have a valuable message to share. Love your artistic designs on your boxz's too.
Keep up the good work girl, you're a wonderful person.

 

[XBB]

You know, another good thing about e-cigarettes is that if I decided to quit vaping tomorrow and my husband didn't, his vaping wouldn't trigger me the way it did when we smoked and I quit but he didn't. First of all, my triggers are no longer valid - it's kind of a consistant thing rather than at set intervals. Second, his vapor smells different than mine (when I can actually smell it) and usually I can't even smell it. With smoking, smelling another smokers smoke always triggered a craving.

The other day we took a long walk with the little one and our boxer. My hubby brought his e-cig and I didn't. We were gone a couple of hours and even though I saw him puff on his a few times, I didn't have a "nic fit" like I used to when we were smoking. I didn't even run for my e-cig when we got home.

I guess that is another reason why I don't feel like a slave to my e-cig.

Wonderful post Kristin,
that just totally reinforces again that if, for whatever reason you were triggered, you might have a toot off your e-cig. Certainly one hell of a LOT better than having a smoke if you get that so called "nic fit".

That's the whole point that a lot of those folks seem to like to ignore. So...you might have your morning coffee and a toot off your e-cig...Big Deal!

 

[XBB]

I like these stories-its like yeah you can vape or whatever but also can choose not to-thats interesting & weird. By weird it seems like you'd do it like you did cigs but most of you say no its not that way-in a way its like why bother?

I like these stories too Beth...and I don't think it's weird at all.
Do you think these folks would be outside their offices vaping every hour or so like the cig people do? I don't think they need their fix in the same way at all.

Matter of fact, if I knew as much as I know now, thanks to these folks, I would have used one myself a year and a half ago instead of the crummy patch. Why put yourself through all that crap?
Oh yeah..I forgot, I might've become addicted to the e-cig habit.

Pfhttttttttttttt...who gives a crap..one hell of a lot better than a smoke in my yap. I have worse habits than something as trivial as that.

 

[XBB]

Why bother eating sweets? Why bother drinking soda or coffee (no nutritional value at all?) Why bother having a hobby? Why bother posting on internet forums?

Because we like it!

ETA: You know, sitting here vaping I realized that if I wasn't using my e-cig I would probably be eating something that wasn't good for me or biting my cuticles or nails. Vaping keeps me from doing something else that I wouldn't want to be doing because I wouldn't like the results of those behaviors. (So I know I definitely have a hand-to-mouth thing.)

My mom is morbidly obese. She has an eating disorder tied to depression. She has struggled with her weight all my life, even on anti-depressants. She had tried everything short of stomach staples to lose weight and always put it back on. I'm not exactly skinny (could lose about 40 lbs) but I know I'd probably have to lose 150lbs (like my mom) if I didn't smoke (now vape.) My family has a history of eating disorders, alcoholism and drug abuse - which I think all stems from a genetic chemical depression that my grandparents, aunts and uncles on my mom's side self-medicating. Ironically, very few of them smoked. I smoked, but didn't end up morbidly obese, alcoholic or a drug abuser. Being "addicted" to e-cigarettes just pales in comparision to what COULD have been for me. The cigarettes could have killed me, but the the vaping won't - and it keeps me from other distructive behavior. I can't see the bad in that.

Exactly! As I said before...BIG DEAL!!!

 

[lolady]

...MAOIs...snus. ...down for maintenance...

Here's my Guaranteed 100% Unsolicited Free Advice for you AND Randy

Obtain some MAOIs. If that Modern Designer Snuff Stuff doesn't do it, get in touch with the one that's down for maintenance. I'm guessing that anybody who can make such things will be either very busy or about to be.

Commercial cigarettes have a whole lot of stuff in there. e-cigarettes are very new. While all the debating and speculating goes on, people who need some of the other stuff should, in my opinion, quietly obtain the substances requested by their particular biochemical configuration.

 

[XBB]

What I meant by why bother-i guess because I choose not to puff anymore I guess I figured once you all got to 0 it just wouldn't be necessary other then for fun I guess? I know someone will twist this but thats just what I'd do which means its right for me but not for the next guy.

I don't see anything at all wrong with (in my case) vaping 0 nic and I might just give it a try. I have absolutely NO FEAR of being drawn back to stinky smoking. I would, however, like to try some of these flavors...

 

[MadmanMacguyver]

at the beginning I had to make some tobac extract to add to my HV vape...it made the difference...I'm not sure how many this would help...but on my really bad days I use one of 2 things a 5 ohm carto at 8.4v or a 1.7ohm carto at 5v.....either way it comes out to a little over 14 watts...

and I do know without the high wattage/heat levels it did not work...but with them in combination with the DIY tobacco juice I was calmer...

the secret if ya want to call it that was keeping the filler just shy of flooding......

 

[cigarbabe]

Beth after all the attempts at explaining to you how we feel about ecigs and why they don't trigger us craving a real cig you still have the audacity to say" we're still slaves to nictine[sic]."
Implying of course that you are right and we are of course addicts!?!
Geezus please us!
C.B.

 

[renstyle]

I want to be "free" of Marlboros, but I have no desire to be "free" of puffing something that tastes and smells good and is better for me.

That's EXACTLY where I started as well.

How can I be free of Marlboros?

Hmmm.... I do have to pony up a little cash, and put some time into learning how to use the new 'doodle....

oh, it won't kill me? no coughing or wheezing? benefit! I was looking to not smell like an ashtray, so BONUS!

what's this? I have a *choice* now if I want to doodle with nicotine or without? I can make my own juice with just 3 ingredients that can all be sourced locally? AND I can smell like a raspberry tart walking around the office?

yea, I think this could be MUCH better than Marlboros.

 

[scinsc]

Two months ago today, I smoked my last cigarette. The first couple of weeks were easy. I had my e-cig to hold me over when I had any cravings for an analog. Then the depression started. I've tried to quit many times in the past with various quit methods: cold turkey, patch, gum, lozenge, etc. Usually I didn't make it passed the first few days, but I did quit for more than three weeks on two occasions. Those times, I thought it was because I was still craving the nicotine, but in one case I was using the patch and still getting nicotine. The other time was cold turkey and the nicotine should have been out of my system by then. I started to feel crazy and wanted some sort of "normalcy" so I went back to smoking.

This time around, it has been mostly through sheer will power that I'm still not smoking. I'm not sure how much longer that will power is going to last.

Congratulations on two months. For me that was a big milestone. My first two months had wild swings trying to find the right eliquid and hardware. But when I found a PV that I could adjust and make steaming mimic a real cigarette everything fell into place. I think you are right on track with your new PV.

 

[renstyle]

For me smoking was a close friend-no matter what I had my smokes,when worked sucked or I got a raise-you know just the normal day to day stuff.

They were a 'best friend' of mine too. but they kept bumming like $20-30 a week from me and never paid it back, other than some merchandise from the Marlboro Adventure Team. Joe Camel sent me a few lighters and tins, which was nice. Not really worth the $$$ I paid to get them tho.... <sigh>

At least they didn't steal my GF back in high school like one of my other friends, tho in the long run I DEFINITELY won out on that.

 

[phonedude]

What I meant by why bother-i guess because I choose not to puff anymore I guess I figured once you all got to 0 it just wouldn't be necessary other then for fun I guess? I know someone will twist this but thats just what I'd do which means its right for me but not for the next guy.

And what in the world is wrong with a little fun? I vape for fun. And not the least ashamed to admit it.

 

[renstyle]

Since DC mentioned ad hominem in an earlier post, I wonder how many fallacious arguments we have hit upon since all of this started?

List of Fallacious Arguments