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E-Cigarette Sales Rapidly Lose Steam

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Sales of electronic cigarettes have fallen sharply in recent months, bringing an end to five years of triple-digit growth and making the much-touted category look more like a potential fad than real threat to Big tobacco.

Growing dissatisfaction among customers, inventory backlogs, new state laws and rising safety concerns are expected to cut the rate of e-cigarette growth in half next year to 57% from its compound annual growth rate of 114% over the past five years, according to the research firm Euromonitor International. Because of the rapid sales declines, Euromonitor research analyst Eric Penicka said he is preparing to “pull back that forecast” even further.

The slowdown has been most noticeable among Big tobacco’s “cigalike” devices, which look like cigarettes. Sales of those fell 21% and volume dropped 11% during the 12-week period ended Oct. 31, marking the first quarterly decline in sales and volume, according to Nielsen data cited by Wells Fargo. WFC -0.56 %

Reynolds American Inc., RAI -0.13 % the nation’s second-largest tobacco company behind Altria Group Inc., MO -0.16 % said in September that it would post $100 million in asset write-downs and exit charges to consolidate its e-cig manufacturing. In July, Reynolds told investors it would miss its goal of making its Vuse e-cigarette brand profitable in the second half of the year.

Sales of vaporizers—the bigger, refillable devices sold at independent vape shops—along with the liquid nicotine used to fill them, have decelerated in recent months, too. The segment is expected to grow just 51% next year, down from an estimated 126% this year and 455% from 2013 to 2014, according to Euromonitor.

“Consumers are disenchanted right now with these products,” said Bonnie Herzog, an analyst with Wells Fargo who estimates the e-cigarette market totaled $2.5 billion last year. She said e-cigs need to mimic cigarettes or users won’t switch. She added, “It’s not that different from diet soda.”

The current devices fail to deliver nicotine into the bloodstream as quickly as cigarettes and lack the same so-called “throat hit” that cigarettes offer. Many e-cigarette users have found them so disappointing that they have returned to cigarettes, Ms. Herzog said. The $100 billion U.S. tobacco industry estimates that cigarette volumes are down 0.5% so far this year, far better than the more typical recent declines of 3% to 4% annually.

Reynolds and Altria recently finished a national rollout of Vuse and MarkTen e-cigs to more than 100,000 stores. They offered promotions that gave consumers coupons for free starter kits or packets of cartridges for $1.

Delores DeMaria, a 31-year old stay-at home mother from Lake Wales, Fla., tried Reynolds’s Vuse after getting a coupon. She said she choked the first time she used it but continues to take two puffs daily and credits it with cutting her daily cigarettes to two from six. She keeps smoking because cigarettes are easier to inhale than Vuse vapor, which is “so strong and so different that I’ll start coughing.”

Nick Pepper, a 31-year-old waiter in Providence, R.I., had a similar experience with the Blu e-cigarette brand owned by Imperial Tobacco Group ITYBY -0.93 % PLC. He had to draw “really, really hard on it to get the vapor out.” He’s back to smoking a half pack of cigarettes a day.

Consumer feedback like that is leading retailers to reduce inventory. Some retailers like Texas grocer and tobacco-shop operator Brookshire Brothers Ltd. have begun requiring that suppliers guarantee that they would buy back products that don’t sell.

David Woodley, executive vice president of sales and marketing at the convenience-store chain Sheetz Inc., said much of the e-cigarette categories’ growth was sales to retailers—not customers. He added, “That is beginning to normalize and you are starting to see what the business looks like.”

Many vape shops say they are seeing the slowdown. The shops aren’t tracked by Nielsen, but vape shop owner Schell Hammel said the number of smokers—who often become new customers—visiting her store in McKinney, Texas, has dropped to about one a week from five a week last year—and 50 in 2013. She lobbies the state government on behalf of 110 vape shops across Texas—all of which she says are reporting sales declines this year.

Part of the problem is confusion about the devices’ safety, she said. Most researchers have agreed that e-cigarettes are less harmful than traditional cigarettes because they don’t combust and release carcinogens, but the long-term effects of e-cigarettes remain unknown. A January study in the New England Journal of Medicine found the devices can release cancer-causing formaldehyde.

New taxes on e-cigs in cities like Washington, D.C., are damping sales, as are new regulations, like measures passed this year in Indiana that require manufacturers to secure permits and list ingredients.
 

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I would guess this would be a very normal trend. The amount of growth in the last few years would be impossible to sustain. A 57% increase in one year would have to be a large increase in any book, especially considering there is already a fairly large base.

Another point is that there is likely a bit to many vape shops popping up to fast. That type of expansion is also unsustainable. If things don't get completely banned, there will be a natural weeding out.
 

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Also, it sounds to me like what they are primarily discussing are the actual "e-cigarettes," not the PVs/mods that most of us use -- most of us stop using cigalikes just because they are so unsatisfying in so many ways -- they're really just a "gateway" to actual vaping -- just because many of us start with the idea that it needs to seem like a cigarette to be useful. Those who never get beyond that idea don't really stick to vaping; those who can see the cigalike as a proof of concept go on to something that we find more satisfying. Which may be a huge learning curve, in assorted ways, and some people have zero patience with that aspect, they want something as easy as a cigarette -- which is pretty much limited to CIGARETTES!

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Also, it sounds to me like what they are primarily discussing are the actual "e-cigarettes," not the PVs/mods that most of us use -- most of us stop using cigalikes just because they are so unsatisfying in so many ways -- they're really just a "gateway" to actual vaping -- just because many of us start with the idea that it needs to seem like a cigarette to be useful. Those who never get beyond that idea don't really stick to vaping; those who can see the cigalike as a proof of concept go on to something that we find more satisfying. Which may be a huge learning curve, in assorted ways, and some people have zero patience with that aspect, they want something as easy as a cigarette -- which is pretty much limited to CIGARETTES!

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True. I'd wager a usual progression might be cigalikes, penstyle/mods from B&M with juice from B&M, then online orders. I wonder if they're taking online sales into account at all.
 

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I think the WSJ peice was poorly done. Cigalikes aren't a great product. Vape shops are a bit pricey and they may be saturating some markets. May be mail order is way up. (I buy from China and do DIY.) Measuring this market is difficult. Vaping is so much less expensive than smoking that measuring it in dollars may skew the picture.. The explosive growth might be tapering off though. THe smear campaign doesn't help.
 

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Also, it sounds to me like what they are primarily discussing are the actual "e-cigarettes," not the PVs/mods that most of us use -- most of us stop using cigalikes just because they are so unsatisfying in so many ways -- they're really just a "gateway" to actual vaping -- just because many of us start with the idea that it needs to seem like a cigarette to be useful. Those who never get beyond that idea don't really stick to vaping; those who can see the cigalike as a proof of concept go on to something that we find more satisfying. Which may be a huge learning curve, in assorted ways, and some people have zero patience with that aspect, they want something as easy as a cigarette -- which is pretty much limited to CIGARETTES!

Andria


What the article states is that the sale of cig-a-likes has fallen by 21 % for the quarter ended 10/31/15 compared with 10/31/14. For the stuff we use, sales are still increasing but not at the rate they were before. from 2013 to 2014 up 455 %, 2014 to 2015 up 126 %, 2015 to 2016 up estimated 51 %.

I believe the b&m store sales and online sales are estimates whereas the cig-alike sales at grocery stores and gas stations are actually recorded by Nielsen. I believe the actual breakdown of the $ 2.5 b total sales figure is $ 1.4 B and declining for cig-a-likes and $ 1.1 B ( 800 million B&M's and 300 million online ) for pv's and bottled liquid, and still increasing ( although nowhere near as fast as before ).
 

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I would expect cigalike sales to stay flat at best as new vapers migrate away to more satisfying products. One might think that this would disappoint Big Tobacco most, as they focus on that market. I think they are not bothered much, as they would benefit most from cigalike users actually reverting back to tobacco use.

Pretty ironic as there is growing support from some members of the health care community. The negative campaigning has already demonized this life saving product for many who just read headlines.
 

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Growth is slowing yes, but stability is here.

We all bought all sorts of products when trying it out right? found out which ones are good and stop buying new products, now we recommend those products to other people so they don't have to go through all the different levels of vaping we did...

Also... Innovation and higher quality products are making an impact, making it easier for people to find the right vape.
 

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Innovation is a strange term. I really haven't seen any in a year or two. TC I thought would be, but it turned out to be ho-hum. I don't even use it after I tried it a couple of times. Nothing has really changed except more power. I don't think that is inherently innovative.

I am fine at 9 watts. The Temco wire I bought 2 years ago has a ton left. The cotton I bought 2 years ago is still full. All I do is buy nic base. All I bought this year was a VT 40, 2 STM and nic base and VG and PG. The VT 40 was 130, base 34 and STM 30. A couple of batteries 16 buck and I spent around 250 bucks for all of 2015.

I consider myself an average vaper. If most are like me, in maintenance mode because they found what they like, then I can see it dropping off. If you would take the VT 40 out of the equation I am at 100 bucks a year.
 

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We've gone through the first two waves of early adopters and we're now getting into mainstream users. These people move more slowly. Growth will slow, but there will still be growth. We're also seeing an over-saturation of the market. There are SO MANY brands and flavors now that unless you already have market-share, it's going to be tough getting some. Sadly, this means that brands with small market-share will likely drop out of the industry. Due to the over-saturation of the market, it will look like individual brands are gaining at a much slower rate and possibly losing ground while the industry as a whole continues to grow albeit at a substantially slower rate than previous years.

In short 2007-2014 the industry was sprinting. 2015-2020 or 2030 the industry is in a marathon. ~2020 to 2030 the industry is expected to overtake the tobacco market and will enter a nice comfortable jog with small shifts in market share. Assuming we still have an industry then.

Additionally, Neilson provides the more reliable data in these circles and they only track c-stores/tobacco stores which is pretty much the mini market. Vape shops and mail order from vape shops aren't tracked. So, as people pick up a cig-a-like and then move onto larger devices, they appear lost. As people move from analogs directly to larger gear, they don't appear at all. There's a gap in the data pool and no real way to cover it at this time.
 

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This is just another example of how you can use numbers to say whatever you want them to. If any industry had triple digit PERCENTAGE growth for two years and then had a 57% growth in year three, that industry expanded as much as it did in year one (or close). As any industry gets larger the percentage of growth will go down, even if it is expanding at a tremendous rate.

Simple number example. 1000 people start to vape, next year 2500 people start to vape = 150% growth rate. Next year 3500 vape and anther 2000 start, that would be less than a 100% growth in the industry, but still represents the same number of people starting to vape.

The larger it grows the lower the percentage of growth will be in the equation. Even if there is a larger number of people starting to vape, you can still report, Growth Down by X percent.
 

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Sales of vaporizers—the bigger, refillable devices sold at independent vape shops—along with the liquid nicotine used to fill them, have decelerated in recent months, too. The segment is expected to grow just 51% next year, down from an estimated 126% this year and 455% from 2013

I wouldn't sell your Aspire, eLeaf, or Innokin stocks just yet. A 51% growth rate is still PHENOMINAL, even if it is slower than the 126% from last year, or the 455%of year before.
The rate of growth IS slowing, but the segment is STILL growing.
You see this wiwith almost every new product. The market ovesaturates, then thins out, and stabilizes. (Tech Bubble, anyone?)
I'm not an analyst, but my guess is that the APV market (if it isn't regulated out of existence) will probably stabilize around the 10%-15% range. That could be as low as 5%-7%, if regulations are heavier than I expect, or jump as high as the mid-20s, if our "Public Health" Officials are overcome by a massive epidemic of honesty.

And...
For all of the conspiracy theory folks...

Many e-cigarette users have found them so disappointing that they have returned to cigarettes,

Could that have been the plan all along?
 

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What the article states is that the sale of cig-a-likes has fallen by 21 % for the quarter ended 10/31/15 compared with 10/31/14. For the stuff we use, sales are still increasing but not at the rate they were before. from 2013 to 2014 up 455 %, 2014 to 2015 up 126 %, 2015 to 2016 up estimated 51 %
Could the slow down in advanced hardware be due to the disenchantment many experience
from the ciga-likes? Of course there's the negative press to consider.
I have noticed to some extent that younger people (40 and younger) are rather quick to
go right back to cigarettes when the ciga-likes don't give them what they want. They also
tend to shy away from ego type set ups due the hassle of the learning curve. Their to busy
raising family's and keeping afloat and prefer things to be as hassle free as possible.
the post teen crowd seems to gravitate to the more advanced products but appear to
be constrained by the cost factors some what.
Regards
Mike
 

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Innovation is a strange term. I really haven't seen any in a year or two. TC I thought would be, but it turned out to be ho-hum. I don't even use it after I tried it a couple of times. Nothing has really changed except more power. I don't think that is inherently innovative.

I am fine at 9 watts. The Temco wire I bought 2 years ago has a ton left. The cotton I bought 2 years ago is still full. All I do is buy nic base. All I bought this year was a VT 40, 2 STM and nic base and VG and PG. The VT 40 was 130, base 34 and STM 30. A couple of batteries 16 buck and I spent around 250 bucks for all of 2015.

I consider myself an average vaper. If most are like me, in maintenance mode because they found what they like, then I can see it dropping off. If you would take the VT 40 out of the equation I am at 100 bucks a year.

I agree with you; once we become *established* vapers, we're "anti-consumers" -- and Wall St hates those. :D They wants SALES, and UPWARD TRENDS, and etc etc etc... Just another reason for the vested interests to hate us; once we get well-established, we stop buying very much -- even those with a bad case of shinyitis are somewhat in the minority, after about a year-ish as a vaper. Because when you find what you like, other stuff loses a lot of its shine. :D I've bought 5 mods this year -- mainly as a hedge against whatever calamity the FDA visits on us, and electronics don't last forever -- but only 1 atty; I have no use whatever for those expensive shiny sub-ohm tanks, or the expensive shiny replacement coils they use -- I make my own, and the wire and wick last a lot longer than those expensive shiny replacement coils. DIYers are positively anathema to a stock market that grows on the backs of consumers.

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kind of laughable how they missed the notion that once users buy some hardware, they don't need to keep going back to keep buying it over and over.


Noticeably, they didn't seem to look at eliquid specifically, which is the persistent sale.
 

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There's been a concerted effort by the ANTZ to bring out all the lies/bad news/accidents, etc. It's going to have some effect on the market - esp. that 14.9% (according to Bill G) who are still smoking and now, at least, know there's an alternative. So they are in the process of 'considering' without having made a decision. All the bad PR is part of that considering, just like any other product. If one is smart, you read the one star ratings at amazon - and if there is a pattern, you 'look around' gather more data.

It's a cycle that all products go through - computers in the early stages of the industry did the same. Plus - 'analysts' are 'market makers' in a sense - there are investors looking to make money on both sides - long and short - and analysts 'feed' both sides or they get called 'shills'. Watch any stock show Saturday morning. It's much like reading studies from ANTZ and then some from Hayek, Polosa, Burnstyn, et al. Or reading articles from HuffPo, NPR and the major media vs. Reason, Forbes, and Fox. Or reading Glantz vs. Rodu.

In June, this same 'Euromonitor' group said this:

"The latest data released by Euromonitor shows that the e-cigarette market has reached the $6 billion mark, and analysts predict that if legislation remains as is, the vaping sector could grow to $50 Billion by 2030." - See more at: E-Cigarette Market to Reach $50 Billion by 2030, Analysts Predict | E-Cigarette Reviews and Rankings
 

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kind of laughable how they missed the notion that once users buy some hardware, they don't need to keep going back to keep buying it over and over.


Noticeably, they didn't seem to look at eliquid specifically, which is the persistent sale.

Except for DIYers. The only persistent sales there are nicotine, flavors, and PG/VG -- all much cheaper than finished ejuice.

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Except for DIYers. The only persistent sales there are nicotine, flavors, and PG/VG -- all much cheaper than finished ejuice.

Andria

Because of that I (and many others) won't be buying pre-mixed eliquid for years. And haven't for years.
 
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