E-Cigarettes banned in Health State office buildings in Missouri

[johnny bravo]

Just recieved an updated policy banning smoking and related material. Here is a direct quote:

"For the purpose of this policy, tobacco use shall mean smoking tobacco or tobacco-like substances, including cigars, cigarettes, pipes, and use of smokeless items, such as chewing tobacco, snuff, e-cigarettes, etc."

This effects all Health and Senior Services buildings, they say "It is the policy of the Department to provide a working environment free of tobacco and to encourage employees that use tobacco to quit." But what about those of us who have quit?!?

Yet another uninformed authoritative force. /sigh

 

[Drunkwaco]

That's too bad.
Sorry to hear, I've shown my E-cig to the upper management pool here but they think I smoke it outside. I've never said I don't smoke inside but haha you know let them believe what ever.
My theory is Management can't make rules against what they don't know exist.

 

[johnny bravo]

I'm just glad i dont use one of those E-cigarette things, i just have a battery pack attached to a heating coil to warm my liquid vitamins

 

[ShayDwight]

I'm just glad i dont use one of those E-cigarette things, i just have a battery pack attached to a heating coil to warm my liquid vitamins

And thus the term "Personal Vaporizer."

I'd rather tell someone it's a "Personal Vaporizer" and have them than tell them it's an "Electronic Cigarette" and have them .

 

[johnny bravo]

Yeah, i agree, the sooner we shake the name that includes cigarette, the better off we will be.

 

[spaky]

What if you use 0 nic juice? Would that still be a tobacco product?

While I'm sure that the word cigarette doesn't help, I honestly don't think it hurts as bad as some believe. As long as people who hate smoking see you exhale a cloud they get their panties in a bunch. Our PVs could give us eternal life and super powers and the antis would still try to ban them.

 

[johnny bravo]

You mean you havent gotten your super powers yet? Might try a higher voltage

But yeah, I dont see how it in any way resembles a cigarette at this point, even with nicotine. Having nicotine doesnt make it a cigarette, just like a product having sugar in it doesnt make it a cherry pie. They will always have something to nitpick about.

 

[VaporPhreak]

You mean you havent gotten your super powers yet? Might try a higher voltage

But yeah, I dont see how it in any way resembles a cigarette at this point, even with nicotine. Having nicotine doesnt make it a cigarette, just like a product having sugar in it doesnt make it a cherry pie. They will always have something to nitpick about.

To keep that thought going... they should also ban Tomatoes. After all Tomatoes contain trace amounts of nicotine, so they must be a cigarette too.

 

[SmokinScott]

And thus the term "Personal Vaporizer."

I'd rather tell someone it's a "Personal Vaporizer" and have them than tell them it's an "Electronic Cigarette" and have them .

I'm with Shay. When I want to ask if I can vape in public, I ask if they'd mind if I use a vaporizer. I pull out a Janty stick, or mod (they do not look anything like cigarettes) and I'm not refused.

Then if they ask "is that a medical device"? Yes, it's nicotene replacment therapy.

 

[CaptJay]

This is WHY people get confused - the e-cig aka PV doesn't CONTAIN any tobacco - if they ban PVs because they contain Nicotine they must also ban patches and lozenges (if PVs could, in fact be reclassified as a medical type device the problem is solved)- and the reminds me I must stop referring to mine as a 'crack pipe' because that just complicates matters

 

[Shortstuff116]

It's unfortunate that we continue to hear and see these smoking band that include "electronic cigarettes"!

The device I use is a Personal Vaporizer. I no longer refer to it as an "electronic cigarette" or "e-cig" because it does not fall under the definition of a true cigarette in any definition of the word. PERIOD.

I went to a local restaurant 2 nights ago and as we were being seated I asked if I could use my Personal Vaporizer and without hesitation he said "Sure, no problem". Now one would immediately tell me that he probably didn't know that I was referring to my own PV that emits a true vapor cloud IF I so decide to do so. But if I just hold it in my lungs for 10 seconds then there is no vapor and therefore no harm done. And no, I did not lie to him either. It is exactly what I said it was - a Personal Vaporizer.

As it turned out there were families with young children with them right near us and I told my wife that I would not use it because they were there anyway. There's absolutely no need to expose kids to my PV for obvious reasons.

Unfortunately term "electronic cigarette" or "e-cig" is not going to go away for quite some time - if ever. But that's what they have been called/referred to since day one and it's become the term to use. Oh well...

 

[Harlequin]

I completely agree re. the term "e-cigarette". It's inaccurate and potentially damaging to the whole industry/hobby.

I've taken to calling my PV itself a "vape". As in, "I'm gonna grab a vape", "have you seen my vape?", "vape break" etc. Think of it as being short for "vaporiser".

 

[tattoo131313]

I completely agree re. the term "e-cigarette". It's inaccurate and potentially damaging to the whole industry/hobby.

I've taken to calling my PV itself a "vape". As in, "I'm gonna grab a vape", "have you seen my vape?", "vape break" etc. Think of it as being short for "vaporiser".

Good idea. I'm going to have to start using that terminology.

 

[The Mosh]

I was talking to a friend of mine last night. He's a lobbyist in MO, and he said that for the most part, the state government seems to be waiting on the outcome of the court cases to make rules, or not make rules on the subject.

He did point out though, that e-cigarettes are challenging because the vapor doesn't look any different than regular cigarette smoke. He said that it's one thing when you're up close, and you see a blue, purple, or green LED on the front of it. But at a distance, the challenge becomes... how do you know if people are smoking, or if they're not?

He was concerned as to the affect it would have on smoking bans. I pointed out that the whole original point of smoking bans was for health reasons, not because people find it inconvinient as baseball games. He had to agree.

After I hung up the phone, I had an idea.

Why not color the vapor? Make it blue, or pink, or orange? They've had colored stage smoke for years. All the disney shows use it, and nobody's come down with cancer yet. If you could tell by the color of the vapor that it is clearly not cigarette smoke at ten feet away... wouldn't that solve the problem?

So I wrote an e-mail to him.
He said he didn't think that would help.

Ah well.
I still think it would be cool to vape pink or green vapor.

 

[JosephDillon]

Bit late on your response CaptJay but thanks............your "crack pipe" quip was funny as hell...........luvit. As for naming conventions I totally agree. I'm a noob but I am forever correcting people "vapour not smoke", vapouriser not cigarette. Absolutely get away from all the old analog (my partner stills scoffs at that one but she will get used to it) terminology. The rabid anti's are simply gonna hate the vaping community but no need to give them ammo I reckon.

 

[ChipCurtis]

Unfortunately term "electronic cigarette" or "e-cig" is not going to go away for quite some time - if ever. But that's what they have been called/referred to since day one and it's become the term to use. Oh well...

And if Judge Leon's injunction is upheld (which we hope will happen), this is what it's going to continue to be called. The court decision was based on the e-cig being classified as a 'tobacco product'. That is the faustian bargain, to classify as tobacco product in order to keep them available to us (to prevent a federal ban). Seems to me, though, this is the best legal strategy.

 

[BellBottomBlues]

Hmmm... "crack pipe" is great! I call mine the "Nic Stick", 'peace pipe' , and 'puffer pen'! (Referring to my 510, that is)

 

[Raven1]

This is WHY people get confused - the e-cig aka PV doesn't CONTAIN any tobacco - if they ban PVs because they contain Nicotine they must also ban patches and lozenges (if PVs could, in fact be reclassified as a medical type device the problem is solved)- and the reminds me I must stop referring to mine as a 'crack pipe' because that just complicates matters

The reason the antis dont have a problem with patches and lozenges is because no by-product is being exhaled. No study has been done on whether exhaled vapour is harmful or not. If one were done that conclusively proves no harm, this would help our cause immensely.

 

[beingbekah]

The reason the antis dont have a problem with patches and lozenges is because no by-product is being exhaled.

That and they're made by Big Pharma, which contributes financially to these groups.

No study has been done on whether exhaled vapour is harmful or not. If one were done that conclusively proves no harm, this would help our cause immensely.

I'm not sure I would count on that. That assumes that these groups are benevolent and reasonable, which, from reading their own literature, I do not believe they are (this applies at least to ASH and CTFC, the largest groups going after the PV).

 

[kristin]

I'm with Shay. When I want to ask if I can vape in public, I ask if they'd mind if I use a vaporizer. I pull out a Janty stick, or mod (they do not look anything like cigarettes) and I'm not refused.

Then if they ask "is that a medical device"? Yes, it's nicotene replacment therapy.

That's what I was going to say. Get a Janty Stick or any other mod that doesn't look like an e-cigarette and say it's your personal vaporizer, because you quit smoking.