E-Cigarettes Deliver Little or No Nicotine, Study Finds
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On this subject, I think I would like to do some of my own "testing". V4L limits their stuff to 36mg strength. Can someone point me to a good supplier of higher strength e-liquid? A vendor that you have used and had good results from? Flavor selection doesn't matter as long as it isn't Essence of Rotten Eggs.....but has some serious nic in it....
Gonna see if I can get stoned to the bejeezus on e-liquid.
Gonna see if I can get stoned to the bejeezus on e-liquid.
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be careful maxx!
there are some vendors that sell higher mg "for mixing."
if anyone's interested, i have the link to the PDF of the data from the study, provided by eissenburg. for reasons i skimmed over/don't care about the link can't be publicly posted but can be forwarded through email/pm, etc.
there are some vendors that sell higher mg "for mixing."
if anyone's interested, i have the link to the PDF of the data from the study, provided by eissenburg. for reasons i skimmed over/don't care about the link can't be publicly posted but can be forwarded through email/pm, etc.
Oh...I plan to mix with what I got....so even unflavored would be good. I trust V4L...but haven't tried anyone else yet, so wanting reccomendations.
thats bull...
try vaping at 6V with dual attys with 36mg juice... i tell you, it delivers more nicotine than a cigarette EVER will!!!
try vaping at 6V with dual attys with 36mg juice... i tell you, it delivers more nicotine than a cigarette EVER will!!!
I would be interested, Belle. 
And can you save me the search and post the link to the thread where Eissenburg is commenting? I'd love to hear what he has to say.
And can you save me the search and post the link to the thread where Eissenburg is commenting? I'd love to hear what he has to say.
sent, leaford! and here's the thread where eissenburg comments: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69409-cnn-com-today.html , if anyone wants to contribute over there.
I'm not addicted to the nicotine...I could care less whether I'm vaping with or without it...I go days without it and days with it...anyways...I KNOW I'm gettin' nicotine because I use my pv so much I get dizzy...but if I use nic free liquid I don't get dizzy ever! So, there's my study! ROFL! And yes, I know, if I'm getting dizzy I need to put it down or lower my strength, and I do! Regardless, I don't care about the nicotine, I just want my vape. Keeps me from overeating because it indulges my addiction of hand to mouth activities! So study or no study, I'm not ever smokin' another analog in my life! I've been one whole year analog free! (I even quit the e-cig for a long time by total accident just forgot to grab it one day and kept forgetting...then I demo'd it to somebody to try and get them to stop blowing their stupid cig smoke in my doorway and flickin' their cigs in my yard...OMG I WAS SO MAD but that's besides the point...then I was like well it's already charged and has a new atty I might as well use it! And then I started again...and whenever I feel the urge to eat I just vape (unless of course I'm honestly hungry). I have lost 40 pounds since middle of August so I'm stoked. No, I am not saying use this for a diet aide...I'm just saying that since I'm not eating whenever I feel like eating I have lost weight!
if there's any correlation between nicotine absorption and exclamation point usage... just teasin' you, planetofthevapes. 
The problem with anecdote is that nothing in your observation can't be dismissed in "placebo effect".
Presumably serum and urine levels can't be dismissed, but in an infinite universe, someone somewhere might be synthesizing precursors or something... peculiar, and thereby skewing the results. That's why careful study methodology is so crucial. And why bias needs to be identified and flawed methodology exposed.
Presumably serum and urine levels can't be dismissed, but in an infinite universe, someone somewhere might be synthesizing precursors or something... peculiar, and thereby skewing the results. That's why careful study methodology is so crucial. And why bias needs to be identified and flawed methodology exposed.
I have done the blood tests and while my nic levels came in low it was definitely there. Either way as long as it works who cares. You can absolutely feel the difference between low and extra high
while it doesn't deliver more to the bloodstream. I would clearly agree that it delivers it differently and in my opinion more effectively which feels like more.
In the news forum where this is being discussed, someone had the perfect analogy for why this study is flawed. They used "naive" smokers. People who never used an e-cig before. The analogy presented (forget who made it) is Titleist testing a new golfball and bringing in people who don't golf as test subjects to drive the balls.
You don't vape the way you smoke....and you don't smoke the way you vape....and that's a huge variable in the test.
You don't vape the way you smoke....and you don't smoke the way you vape....and that's a huge variable in the test.
>> while it doesn't deliver more to the bloodstream
Do you have any verifiable data showing that increased volume doesn't yield some function of bioavailability? And by what mechanism would it "feel like more" when the bioavailability was less?
Phenom - partnered in what way? Where did you locate that bit of information? Was it multi-sourced?
Do you have any verifiable data showing that increased volume doesn't yield some function of bioavailability? And by what mechanism would it "feel like more" when the bioavailability was less?
Phenom - partnered in what way? Where did you locate that bit of information? Was it multi-sourced?
I had a fair number of analogies there, but I tried to constrain mine to the realm of medical devices.
my bloodtests were posted in the nicotine section here in july...........take it for what it's worth. Your big words that aren't even real words are not going to change the facts
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Not that I like to trust the Interwebs as the definitive source, and I certainly don't mean to paint a complete conspiracy theory picture...but it's certainly enough to call the research, the motives, and the findings at least a little into question.
What "big words" do you need explained?
Bioavailability? bioavailability: Definition from Answers.com
From the Encyclopedia of Public Health:
Bioavailability refers to the difference between the amount of a substance, such as a drug, herb, or chemical, to which a person is exposed and the actual dose of the substance the body receives. Bioavailability accounts for the difference between exposure and dose. A drug's therapeutic action or a chemical's toxicity is determined by the dose received at the target site in the body.
Mechanism? that's like third-grade reading, I'll let you look that one up.
I'm not sure I used any other "big words" - I assure you though: They are the real deal... ROFL!
Now - on to something we can sink our teeth into:
Phenom - thanks, I'll have a look at those and see if it looks [to me] like some reasonable source.
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