E-cigs... and PRISON!

[Rocketpunk]

Lol. Oz time!

So we all know analog cigs are somewhat of a currency in jail/prison.

I know a lot of prisoners are given certain freedoms (I watch MSNBC Lockup religiously), so what would happen if a con requests and/or orders an e-cig online? I know they can order things online because an inmate was talking about how he orders stuff through Amazon and eBay.

Does anyone know if e-cigs have impacted prisons?

This is a weird question but I'm interested in it.

 

[Caridwen]

No clue. I know a few prison guards post here and use pv's to stealth vape.


(Locked up Abroad fan)

 

[Laurenmh]

I have no idea but it is a very interesting question. I wonder....

 

[Rocketpunk]

A correctional staff member's opinion would be highly valued in this thread.

 

[VapApe]

Seeing how the battery tubs are metal no way, to easy to make a weapon out of.

 

[YKruss]

And it will be easy to use an e-liquid as a poison...

Actually, on the other hand, it's not that easy - nicotine will induce vomiting.

 

[Rocketpunk]

(Locked up Abroad fan)

That show scares the holy living bejeezus out of me. I'd NEVER EVER EVER become a mule.

But that being said, I watched a Lockup episode set in Norway or somesuch and they had gardens, a water fountain, landscaping, and the inmates were allowed to play sports outside in the open in a HUGE yard, and the prison itself almost looked like an L.A. hotel.

Kid you not.

EDIT: Apparently, their concept was, if you give these disturbed individuals a somewhat sane, peaceful place to live, they will appreciate and adapt to that kind of environment. In opposed to sticking them into 5x5 three-man cells and giving them "kindergarten recess" a couple of hours of the day.

 

[ravenlily]

Aye and that prison has a crazy low reoffend rate too cause the prisoners work and feel a sense of value.

 

[Mark Burton]

I am a corporate attorney by background, so I may not be the best source for prison procedures, but having had to visit several jails and prisons in the past due to client requests, I can't see any prison system in the US allowing E-Cigs and the like into the system. First, the hardware could probably be turned into weapons (as a fellow Lock Up watcher, those prisoners are certainly clever with regard to what they can do to create weapons) and second the E juice could most likely be used to transport contraband substances. Of course, as I haven't been an involuntary guest of the state, I could be wrong.

 

[cigarbabe]

That show scares the holy living bejeezus out of me. I'd NEVER EVER EVER become a mule.

But that being said, I watched a Lockup episode set in Norway or somesuch and they had gardens, a water fountain, landscaping, and the inmates were allowed to play sports outside in the open in a HUGE yard, and the prison itself almost looked like an L.A. hotel.

Kid you not.
EDIT: Apparently, their concept was, if you give these disturbed individuals a somewhat sane, peaceful place to live, they will appreciate and adapt to that kind of environment. In opposed to sticking them into 5x5 three-man cells and giving them "kindergarten recess" a couple of hours of the day.

I saw that show and was trying to tell an attorney about alternate ways to rehab prisoners on a show about prisons on stickam.
He said it couldn't exist and doubted I was telling the truth.
It obviously works for them why couldn't that be employed here?
C.B.

 

[Off Topic]

I work with a couple of guys who have done hard time. Good luck keeping ecigs out of prison.

I showed them a $25 ego passthrough setup, and asked what it would be worth in the pen. Their response was, "You could get someone killed for that."

 

[Mariss716]

I saw that show and was trying to tell an attorney about alternate ways to rehab prisoners on a show about prisons on stickam.
He said it couldn't exist and doubted I was telling the truth.
It obviously works for them why couldn't that be employed here?
C.B.

Since most prisoners will one day be released into society, I would want their time to be conducive to being productive members once they get out. Not just even angrier, with no job skills or hope, and no access to rehab, AA programs etc. Prison is part of a vicious cycle that keeps repeating itself. Anything to reduce the recidivism rate. The US has 5% of the world's population but 25% of its prisoners.

Regarding eCigs, I can't see them being allowed, knowing a few people who work at the federal and local levels. Anything metal gets made into weapons (you can't turn your back on a prisoner for a second, and not all employees can be trusted), and nic juice may just induce vomiting for the most part but it's still a poison. Prison guards will still have to smoke them out in their cars on breaks just like analogs.

 

[Mariss716]

I work with a couple of guys who have done hard time. Good luck keeping ecigs out of prison.

I showed them a $25 ego passthrough setup, and asked what it would be worth in the pen. Their response was, "You could get someone killed for that."

Yeah the going rate for smuggled analogs is insane.

 

[WickedSick]

I also doubt they are gonna allow them in most prisons, because they are an almost ready weapon. You need several minutes to make the tube pointy. As for the Norwegian prisons they do look like hotels. There were pictures in a newspaper of Bravik's (the guy who kiled more than 70 people) cell and it looked really cosy. It seems that the whole system works fine there.
Here are some pictures of one of their pens: Norwegian Prison

 

[rondasherrill]

Hmm... let's see... Lithium Ion battery, metal casing... Of the top of my head I'm picturing a blade that's easily concealable, a power source for a homemade tattoo gun, an explosive... Nope, NOT gonna be allowed in jails or prisons.

 

[AuBadge]

I'm a Correctional Officer (Lieutenant, actually), and many (if not all) US states have made the use of tobacco products illegal on state property. That includes inmates as well as staff. In my state, employees are allowed to use the traditional NRT methods, but e-cigs are not among them; inmates are not. The reported reason is to save on health costs, which I (or any tax-payer) can't legitimately find fault with - our taxes pay for inmate upkeep. I use Nic gum at work.

Just FYI: the term "prison guard" is considered archaic (and somewhat disrespectful) today. I know most of the public doesn't know this; I'm just enlightening here.

 

[bgirl]

I am a corporate attorney by background, so I may not be the best source for prison procedures, but having had to visit several jails and prisons in the past due to client requests, I can't see any prison system in the US allowing E-Cigs and the like into the system. First, the hardware could probably be turned into weapons (as a fellow Lock Up
watcher, those prisoners are certainly clever with regard to what they can do to create weapons) and second the E juice could most likely be used to transport contraband substances. Of course, as I haven't been an involuntary guest of the state, I could be wrong.

Having worked at a correctional facility, I've seen first hand some of the ingenious things that can be manufactured by someone with nothing but time on their hands and nothing to lose. Officer safety would be a huge concern.

 

[Rocketpunk]

True about the idea of fashioning a weapon from a metal tube. And the potential explosive.

I remember one of the inmates on Lockup showing how he could turn plastic water cups or spoons (or something similar) into a stabbing weapon by heating and melting them together, twisting them into a point, quenching it in toilet water, and boom. A stabbing weapon.

 

[18SixFifty]

Just FYI: the term "prison guard" is considered archaic (and somewhat disrespectful) today. I know most of the public doesn't know this; I'm just enlightening here.

If you are a guard at the prison why would it be disrespectful to call you a prison guard?

 

[meli.]

18SixFifty it would be like calling Flight Attendants- Trolley Dollies.
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