e cigs in jail.... your thoughts??

[drobbyb]

I worked in a county jail for a few years. The general problem is what others have mentioned already: safety. Imagine sitting around locked in a room with a bunch of other people with nothing but time on your hands, your imagination AND an ecig in a dangerous environment. A weapon can and has been fashioned out of anything.

Lets not forget that those guys/gals are extremely intelligent and inventive. So, giving said persons a high powered battery and a poison with electronic components encased in a metal tube could end very badly for the others they are housed with and the staff. It's just too risky.

Too many weapons have been found in an already controlled environment.

 

[Leatherneck]

I worked in a county jail for a few years. The general problem is what others have mentioned already: safety. Imagine sitting around locked in a room with a bunch of other people with nothing but time on your hands, your imagination AND an ecig in a dangerous environment. A weapon can and has been fashioned out of anything.

Lets not forget that those guys/gals are extremely intelligent and inventive. So, giving said persons a high powered battery and a poison with electronic components encased in a metal tube could end very badly for the others they are housed with and the staff. It's just too risky.

Too many weapons have been found in an already controlled environment.

This.

The prisons have a very difficult time keeping weapons out of the hands of inmates as is. Let's not give the inmates more things to construct weapons from.

 

[Absintheur]

I would say no but then I consider the vast majority of prisons today to be way too easy on the criminals. I don't want to see the cruelty of the early 19th century returned but I believe prison should be unpleasant. No TV, no radios, no weight rooms. A cell, 3 meals a day, and hard labor.

 

[Orobas]

I would say no but then I consider the vast majority of prisons today to be way too easy on the criminals. I don't want to see the cruelty of the early 19th century returned but I believe prison should be unpleasant. No TV, no radios, no weight rooms. A cell, 3 meals a day, and hard labor.

This. But I'm also of the opinion that why should they get three meals when there's still hungry children in our country.

That said, I believe that there's too many people in jail for victimless crimes. Should really be reserved for violent & prolific offenders. I'm also pro capital punishment. Why should taxpayers have to pay the upkeep of some guy who thought shooting a cashier for the sake of $50 in the register is acceptable. Put in an EXPRESS LANE.

 

[2nd chance]

What ever, as long as I am not paying for them to have them

 

[crxess]

Personally I would prefer they sent all convicted criminals to old folks homes and give the elderly the better prison life.

 

[Iffy]

My GAS factor is pretty low on this.

 

[jerseyrob]

Im sure if this ever happens which it wont just imagine what there juice would taste like ...I'm sure the prison food is horrible, They would have like baloney flavor juice....EWWWWW.....LOL

 

[dsy5]

God no. A portable source of power that can conceivably turned into a weapon? If we're worried about relaxing their minds, let's just give them all prozac.

Or labotomies...

 

[dirtyrigger]

Maricopa detention officers aren't even allowed to smoke in the facilities.

oh, but they do, trust me. Maricopa county jails dont allow tobacco (supposedly, according to the officer walking my intake group to the tents while smoking) because their insurance won't allow inmates being allowed access to matches and lighters. while working on a rather long remodel project at the local federal prison i learned that their tobacco ban is to curb the long term healthcare costs of the inmates, don't let them have something they dont need that will wind up costing the rest of us more down the road. the feds do offer gum and patches to those who just entered the system to help them adjust but i believe there is a time limit where it becomes unavailable. from what the officers i worked with told me tobacco is the #1 contraband smuggled into the facility. now "erotic publications" were banned from the federal system a long time ago also, their studies show that since doing that sexual assault of inmates has been greatly reduced, the theory is out-of-sight out-of-mind (or least not at the forefront of ones mind). if you let them have e-cigs then nicotine addiction will go back up to where it was before the tobacco ban which means even more tobacco will get smuggled in for those who got re-addicted but aren't satisfied by e-cigs alone which creates more problems. lastly, all personal electronics have to be made with clear cases so you can't hide stuff in them which leaves only the acrilymax as an option if you were to allow it.

 

[Plumes.91]

the food in juvie was fantastic. there were strait up chefs in there. my favorite was the baked chicken.
my least favorite was probably the 2 cold boiled eggs that had a sulfur smell and 2 whole grain pieces of bread.
but the eggs actually tasted good. they were over cooked but the yolk was soft in the middle. no salt n pepper!
I hear the food in prison is a lot worse but people dont eat it if they dont have to, they eat mufungo.
which is rolled up pies made out of ramen noodles, cheese, and frozen/dehydrated food packets.

As far as conditions in prison, I think they need to be a lot BETTER than they are today.
And I think we SHOULD be paying for it. I think its one of our duties as a PEOPLE to pay for the prisoners.
If we WANT to uphold a system where a militia takes care of our dirty work/society then we should pay for it!

And prison was never meant to be a place of dehumanization and/or torture. NEVER.
It was meant to be a place to hold criminals temporarily. These days prison sentences are getting way too long.
Lindsay Lohan isn't supposed to get couches with pullout beds, guitar lessons and big screen TVs when shes in.
And regular people shouldn't be dropped into a room with a mattress saturated in urine & an infestation of bugs.
And I'm not just speculating what normal people go through, that was MY experience.
Federal and State prisons shouldn't be OK here, and terrible there. They should be regulated PROPERLY.
And worst of all, they should NOT have people wishing they could talk to a doctor or psychologist.
That should be the MAIN FOCUS OF PRISONS. PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP. We aren't barbarians anymore.

And the system should recognize addiction. We have drugs + doctors to HELP addicts while they are in prison.
You shouldn't be dropped into a prison cell to hallucinate and contemplate suicide if you go in addicted to .......
And you should be treated physically and mentally if your addicted to drugs and/or nicotine.

It was never supposed to be a torture house. Its supposed to be a place of reformation, not seclusion and torture.

 

[Worzel]

Prisons are supposed to be a place for rehabilitation. I can agree on prison being harsh for lifers and repeat offenders, but I think vaping should be allowed for minimum security or work release inmates.

 

[markdm4805]

Now I know this will start a lot of commotion, but I was wondering if inmates should be allowed to purchise e cigs off commersery. It could turn them onto a more relaxed state of mind insteade of having a constent craving for something. It would help turning more people onto not.smoke analogs. Just a thought.

I'd be for it although I don't think they would do it. As others have said a battery of even the magnitude found in a cigalike could be used for so much more than a weapon i.e tattoo gun, illegal and dangerous heating source. If you watch the many documentaries found on cable prisoners could use those things to make devices not even imaginable.

 

[AlmityPunx]

i say no due to safety risks. too many uncontrollable variables to monitor.

my bigger concern with the prison system is its complete and utter failure. is is meant to be a place where people that make bad choices to go and seek help! if an inmate has a drug problem, give him detox and counceling. if an inmate is in there for a violent offense give him psychological help. give them all school and books and an oppertunity to LEARN.

the way the system is these days a minor felon can go in and come out learning how to improve their crime! it has become Crime University.

*steps off soapbox*

 

[Rocketpunk]

Everybody should watch Lockup on MSNBC or Netflix. Talk about eye-opening.

 

[Plumes.91]

yeah some of you are freaking crazy LOL. I've never been to a prison but I've had friends there.
I've been to town & county jails, and I've been to my state's juvenile prison for 1 week.
You all act like inmates get nothing they can turn into a weapon in a regular prison lol.

Unless your arrested for a felony, grand larceny, rape, murder, murder attempt, heavy assault...
Your allowed to have a radio, a television, a guitar, anything approved by the warden that can be ordered.
It depends solely on your prison's warden and state laws on the books.

YES you can smoke in some American prisons. YES you can use the internet if you get library passes.
It ALL depends on your own state's laws and the warden/board member's restrictions and allocations.

If the prisons were like most American's IDEAS of prison, there would be suicides every single day.
Especially you conservative asshats that think the prisoners should get bread and water if it saves you $10 a year


With all of that said- Aren't the Njoy Kings made out of a thick cardstock paper now? I don't really see a problem with the prisoners getting those with the old atomizers and prefilled carts. But it just wouldn't work or be allowed in tosay's system unfortunately. The prison would be held responsible for attacks on people for their filled cartridges just like they are today for attacks on people for their tobacco. They are trying to phase out tobacco use in prisons as it is, and I'm sure that they would sooner ban e-cigs than switch to them. Thats just how it is. Also, many of the prisons that allow tobacco use are the same prisons where the inmates go out to work the tobacco fields. Since e-cigarettes have no ties to US tobacco farmers, the state has no interest in allowing prisoners to spend their money on the e-liquid. So I dont think prisons are "ready" for e-cigarettes. At least not in the state our prisons are in. Unfortunately a lot of prisons ARE closer to the ideas that those a**hats I mentioned above think/want them to be in. The prisoners personal rights and liberties are restricted to a dismal and dehumanizing effect. This is true in florida, and TEXAS prisons *famously* unfortunately. For instance, the TX federal prison's warden even has his male inmates dress in pink uniforms + underwear on a daily basis to deliberately humiliate them. The Juvinile prison I attended only gave us 2 hours of outside time a week, 1 hour on wednesday and saturday.

 

[SissySpike]

People are in Prison because they are a threat to the public in one form or another. While I do not subscribe to the theory they have to be punished further than losing their freedom . I could care less on way or the other. I say let them smoke let them vape as long as they cant make a weapon from it to kill each other or the guards what dose it hurt?

 

[PaulB]

Since I am against all other forms of tobacco or nicotine prohibition from those who have the habit, why should this one be any different? Nobody seriously argues against feeding inmates on the public dollar and letting them use cutlery. I might be ok with some safety/security provisions, though.

 

[drobbyb]

There are some valid points on both sides of the discussion. As I said before, I worked in a county jail for a few years. I've seen firsthand what happens on a daily basis.

A good many of those people want to serve their time and get on with their lives. But there are always a few that mess it up for those that would do that. Those few extort, threaten, blackmail, and whatever else they want to do to get what they want. They call it "the game". It's a totally different society in there, regardless of how the warden/administrator would run the place. You have a ratio of 150+ people per guard. You simply can't watch every move that a person makes 100% of the time.

You can make a weapon out of toilet paper and mashed potatoes. But you can't take toilet paper and mashed potatoes away. Imagine what you can make with the components e-cigs.

Simply put, you can't control people. They are going to do what they are going to do. Force them into lockup and things go haywire real fast.

 

[subversive]

conservative asshats

I'm in the ...... group. I realize that not everyone is jail/prison is a horrible person, and I'm not perfect. I do have an issue with people serving time for possession, though I don't have a problem with dealers being locked up. I also believe in capital punishment for both murder ( with some exceptions ) and child rapists. Weapon issue aside, I'm not sure why prisoners should have the luxury of being made more comfortable by having access to nicotine.