E-juice at high temperatures (or sub ohms)

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jcalis1394

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I know a lot of sub ohm folk use 100%VG but, yeah, it comes down to those ingredients. I've had stuff that went beyond tasting burnt at certain ranges, tasted like I invented a new chemical, or converted the juice into one...
I got used to 25-30 watts. I built a 0.9 ohm coil and it was not what I liked. I don't go for clouds, but rather that intense flavor. Well, I'll find a way, even if I have to go to higher ohms (hopefully nothing over 0.8 ohms). Somehow my supposedly 0.6 ohm 8 wraps of nichrome 26g was actually .5 ohms as I recently checked. That means I could still boost a big 10-12 wrap coil with that gauge and get 0.8 ohms.

My usual setup is this:
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Crazy thickness, could not probably add another wrap in there, can barely see the wick on the sides but damn did it give an out of this world flavor.
 

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BTW, J, you really oughta try Mundy's Magic if it's flavor you're chasing. Most intense flavor I've found. You could pro'ly run it in the .4-.6Ω range with a 3/4 wrap.
That's what I'm chasing and damn that's beautiful. Oh damn another thing to try on my list, it just doesn't end does it? :D
 

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Do you notice an increase in vapor production with that?

I don't think it's a cloud based system, no. I get very good vapor production; but not necessarily better than a good subΩ micro. Then again, I haven't "tried". Meaning, I haven't opened up air just to see what it might do.
 

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All the building techniques and safety are links in a chain, though the weakest link always is the juice. Those cloud monsters and S/O aficionados only use certain juices. That is so much of the sub-ohm search...finding a juice that shows great flavor at those operating specifics.

That´s interesting. Do you guys have a few examples, or general directions, of juices that work/don't work sub-ohm?
 

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my experience has been a lot of variation between batches. I like all their famous flavors too, but sometimes a batch seems to react strangely to different setups.

I really like Doc Bailey's Elixir flavors at warm temps.
especially Lemon Barz and Bluffin. Yum! :)

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That´s interesting. Do you guys have a few examples, or general directions, of juices that work/don't work sub-ohm?
I'd say juices with high flavoring % and tons of sweeteners but that's just a theory of mine :p.

Re: fuzion
my experience has been a lot of variation between batches. I like all their famous flavors too, but sometimes a batch seems to react strangely to different setups.

I really like Doc Bailey's Elixir flavors at warm temps.
especially Lemon Barz and Bluffin. Yum! :)

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Interesting, I'll be trying the next bottle of Unicorn's Blood on the exact same setup to test it.
 

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Well this is really doing my head in. Ectoplasm from FuZion vapors evaporates like boiling water. I add 4 direct drops on a 0.8 ohm coil and in 1 second it's already hissing and giving a dry hit. It stains my RM2 screws with its lime-ish color. Tried it on SS mesh and still drys up like nothing even though the wicks that are exposed look wet (already tried 8 wicks, tight, loose, and just right) Puzzling the juice is delicious but this is ridiculous :p
 

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Hi. I was using the reomizer two and having the same issue as you. the juice was getting burnt , turning black in my reo bottle (using a .08 microcoil with cotton wick. ) i am now trying a cyclone bf rba that i just got and i no longer have that issue. i like the reomizer 2 but that big drain hole on the deck may be casuing our juice to taste off with the low ohm coils.
I just started experimenting (as it is very easy to see when it's going to taste bad, the color changes drastically) I was not letting the coil sit not even 2 seconds. What this did was constantly keep the juice in the tubing heated thus tasting off. The solution (if I wanted to, say, chain vape this juice at 0.5 ohms) would be a BF RDA that has the hole in the posts not letting it mix. I really wanted to avoid having to modify any of my sealed RDA's for BF, but most of the other decent BF RDAs are over $50+. The juice is THAT good for me :p.
 

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Bump this.
I'd really like to know your experiences. Going lower, most of my juices go bad. But I love the short drags. So far I've only found Mad Murdoch's juices to maintain themselves.
I finally resolved it. I'll explain below.

Hi. I was using the reomizer two and having the same issue as you. the juice was getting burnt , turning black in my reo bottle (using a .08 microcoil with cotton wick. ) i am now trying a cyclone bf rba that i just got and i no longer have that issue. i like the reomizer 2 but that big drain hole on the deck may be casuing our juice to taste off with the low ohm coils.
This resolves half of the issue (unless your juice handles heat decently), which is heated juice flowing back down and mixing with the bottle. Probably the only downside of the RM2 and just for specific juices/ohms.

After days of testing with FuZion and others' juices, here's what I got.
FuZion, you guys offer great tasty juices. Your apple cinnana is delicious and handles sub ohm well. Unicorn's Blood is riddled with sweeteners and colorants, definitely bad for sub ohms and even 1-1.2 ohms as it cooks those substances and give off that burnt taste/discoloration. Ectoplasm, same thing. Something in the juice makes it evaporate too quick, this is by far the most odd juice I've ever had. As much as it pains me, I cannot vape them so off they go.

So what's going on? Well, the RM2 is an excellent RDA leak proof allowing you to flood your coil/wick for a delicious hit draining the rest back down. What's the one and only downside? The excess juice mixing with the cooked juice left in the wicks and going back down. Want to try yourselves? Vape off whatever juice you have setup in your REO by squonking, then grab the juice bottle and directly drip on the RM2. Compare the flavor and you'll know whether your juice is preserving its fresh flavor. This is mostly more of an issue the lower you go in ohms and the juice you use. A hornet or cyclone, which feed through the posts and probably won't let excess juice flow back down (this means you really have to get your squonking right, otherwise you'll flood it and there's no draining going on), will alleviate most of this issue.

Another trick, dual coils. If your juice handles heat decently but you want a fresh taste (and the coils cooling down fast enough that you can squonk 3 seconds after a hit without the coils heating up the juice before firing) My 0.6 ohm coil was giving me an instant burnt taste on Unicorn's Blood, but my dual coil 0.6 ohm setup wasn't, it lasted 2x as much before starting to taste off. It's simple really, because the coils are literally heating up the wick as two independent 1.2 ohm coils as opposed to one thick 0.6 ohm one, and as a result of using much thinner wire it cools down fast enough. Btw, this won't work with single wick dual coils, it NEEDS to be two separate coils.

That's all, in my case I could not get the juices to work because they just don't handle heat at all, but if the juice handles it decently this would work.
 

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That is very helpful jcalis. I have found i definitely prefer the cyclone over the reomizer 2 for this reason alone - otherwise the RM2 is great and i never had this problem at the higher ohms so if you are looking to vape at anything less than 1 ohm , the cyclone would be your best choice. I also just recently drilled my airhole to 2mm and the clouds i get now are incredible. Everyone at my local vape store sees me pull out this little "box" (Reo Grand) and blow these massive clouds and they are amazed.
 

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That is very helpful jcalis. I have found i definitely prefer the cyclone over the reomizer 2 for this reason alone - otherwise the RM2 is great and i never had this problem at the higher ohms so if you are looking to vape at anything less than 1 ohm , the cyclone would be your best choice. I also just recently drilled my airhole to 2mm and the clouds i get now are incredible. Everyone at my local vape store sees me pull out this little "box" (Reo Grand) and blow these massive clouds and they are amazed.
I have 3 yk1 (which look like cyclone clones) but are sealed. I may mod them for BF, I also have an igo-S and I love how it looks on the REO, as well as its small chamber gives a pretty concentrated warm vape. I've been vaping more than 12 juices on the RM2 at 0.5-0.8 ohms and they all seemed to behave well. My DIY juices also performed well and kept the flavor. I might drill the airholes to 1.3-1.5 mm because at 0.5 ohms I definitely need more airflow, but nothing that big because it'll start losing flavor strength.

It depends on flavors and coil setup. I might gradually switch to dual coils as they were giving me a pretty damn good result. :D
 

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Picture of the dual coils, if possible, please Jcalis. Gauge of wire?
I'm not sure I took a pic, as I threw away the coil since the juice was still acting up, not as much but still not worth it. The true solution would have, perhaps, been a triple coil at 2.4 ohm each but that's just too much hassle for a juice.

Kanthal 30g, non micro coil 4 wraps. That's another thing, micro coils aggravate this issue. A micro coil, the longer it is, will take more time to heat up and more time to cool down. That means when you squonk you are potentially putting all that fresh juice at the mercy of 8-12 wraps of not yet cool down coils. Another reason why I stopped trying those juices, micro coils give a much better vape for me and I would not give them up.
 
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