we have not deleted or locked any thread .... general forum admin has...and they still regulate this forum as well.
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we have not deleted or locked any thread .... general forum admin has...and they still regulate this forum as well.
I know you haven't but that's not the point, you could.
What's happening is that the whole forum is becoming heavily moderated and discussions are being directed, closed and moved. In this particular case I think that's inappropriate, this discussion was about you, not for you.
What's happening is that the whole forum is becoming heavily moderated and discussions are being directed, closed and moved. In this particular case I think that's inappropriate, this discussion was about you, not for you.
well your issue seems to be with the e-cigarette-forum itself and not the ECA...maybe this is not the tread for discussing that. Yes we could, but we haven't and the way sub-forums are run will tell you a lot about the openness of a company/organization. The same mods administer this forum as well as the main forum...as well as some ECA members...so you can still go to them if you feel something has been unjustly changed. The fact of the matter is no-one from the ECA has changed anything yet...with as negative as some of these posts have gotten for us...it is pretty safe to say we never will.
I would suggest you create a thread about your feelings on moderation in the main forum?
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so you are saying you don't think this thread should exist?....or the sub forum? either way... your issue is with how the e-cigarette-forum has chosen to set things up...so your issue is bigger then this thread and you are upset with the way the ECF moderates...which does not have anything to do with the ECA.
I edited first before you replied (prob as you were replying..sorry was not on purpose)...i just edited again recently for typos... all I wanted to make clear was the ECA was not trying to censor anything... that the thread was moved there by the main mods/SJ... so instead of posting publicly that the ECA can delete things etc..(sorry just defense against all these conspiracy theories lately) to just bring up the moderation issue in the main forum or PM the main ECF mods...they have moved it back so lets just bring this thread back to topic thanks.
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Look, I don't want to get into a fight over the ECA, I didn't say you'd done anything with this thread. Once I realised where the thread had been put I thought it was inappropriate and I said so.
I can understand you feeling defensive but in this case it seems unnecessary.
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Saying that you can delete things shouldn't be a problem, it's the truth.
Openness and honesty are more important than pretending you're something you're not.
I can understand you feeling defensive but in this case it seems unnecessary.
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Saying that you can delete things shouldn't be a problem, it's the truth.
Openness and honesty are more important than pretending you're something you're not.
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we are open and honest and not pretending anything ....that was my whole point..I am just as glad as you this thread got moved..we are not trying to hide anything.. all i was saying if you had a problem that we can mod the forum...bring it up to the people that can change it directly... we are saying the same things...we are both concerned about openness and what's in the forum's best interests...
I just posted to clarify the ECA was doing nothing wrong or something sneaky when we had nothing to do with this thread being moved into our sub-forum...and we have not deleted edited any posts... just incase people took your comment the wrong way... that's all....
If i thought something you said was a "problem" i would have deleted it...LOL JK
I just posted to clarify the ECA was doing nothing wrong or something sneaky when we had nothing to do with this thread being moved into our sub-forum...and we have not deleted edited any posts... just incase people took your comment the wrong way... that's all....
If i thought something you said was a "problem" i would have deleted it...LOL JK
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Before I vote, I wonder why or even IF the ECA went to bat for us to keep 36mg juice available.
They form, nic levels go down (so everyone vapes more), and prices go up.
All we get is that the 'manufacturers were no longer going to make the 36mg because they were 'told' not to'.
A good group of suppliers would have been jumping up and down DEMANDING the answers and TELLING them they better NOT stop making the 36mg because they have CUSTOMERS that WANT it!
Instead we get a wimper, and a foot-shuffle, and oh well, we have PLENTY of 16mg IN STOCK!!
They let us down.
EDIT -- Just my humble observation.
They form, nic levels go down (so everyone vapes more), and prices go up.
All we get is that the 'manufacturers were no longer going to make the 36mg because they were 'told' not to'.
A good group of suppliers would have been jumping up and down DEMANDING the answers and TELLING them they better NOT stop making the 36mg because they have CUSTOMERS that WANT it!
Instead we get a wimper, and a foot-shuffle, and oh well, we have PLENTY of 16mg IN STOCK!!
They let us down.
EDIT -- Just my humble observation.
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wow , i wasn't even aware it had been moved to ECA sub forum , and like you Kate I think that move was out of order.
I purposly posted in the general discussion forum for the very reason you mentioned .It's about the consumers view on the ECA not for the ECA to justify itself.
If It the thread had stayed in the ECA sub forum i would have requested it's closure and deletion..glad someone saw the light and put it back.
ApO
I purposly posted in the general discussion forum for the very reason you mentioned .It's about the consumers view on the ECA not for the ECA to justify itself.
If It the thread had stayed in the ECA sub forum i would have requested it's closure and deletion..glad someone saw the light and put it back.
ApO
wanted to post some things here that we announced in the sub forum:
official certificate of incorporation from DCRA, this information can be backed up on the website at: DCRA: Registered Organization Search
articles of incorporation: http://pdfvia.com/showfile-2820/ecaartofinc.pdf
ECA on Good Morning America ABC News w/ ECA Pres. Matt Salmon
ECA in the NY Times : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/us/02cigarette.html
(not the best story but we were accurately quoted) Virginia Times Dispatch: Smoking debate has become nicotine-delivery debate
Smoking debate has become nicotine-delivery debate | Richmond Times-Dispatch
Future stories coming out: Matt Ehlers from the News and Observer of Raleigh, North Carolina, and a local Florida and Texas paper.
Also want to announce our NEW website look http://www.ecassoc.org
official certificate of incorporation from DCRA, this information can be backed up on the website at: DCRA: Registered Organization Search
articles of incorporation: http://pdfvia.com/showfile-2820/ecaartofinc.pdf
ECA on Good Morning America ABC News w/ ECA Pres. Matt Salmon
ECA in the NY Times : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/us/02cigarette.html
(not the best story but we were accurately quoted) Virginia Times Dispatch: Smoking debate has become nicotine-delivery debate
Smoking debate has become nicotine-delivery debate | Richmond Times-Dispatch
Future stories coming out: Matt Ehlers from the News and Observer of Raleigh, North Carolina, and a local Florida and Texas paper.
Also want to announce our NEW website look http://www.ecassoc.org
Yes, and it will help 44.23
Yes, though it won't help 5.77
Yes in principle but need
to get their act together 35.26
Total in principle or
outright in favor: 85.26 %
No, waste of time 9.62
No, government won't listen
to an affiliation: 8.97
Total against: 18.59 %
Yes, though it won't help 5.77
Yes in principle but need
to get their act together 35.26
Total in principle or
outright in favor: 85.26 %
No, waste of time 9.62
No, government won't listen
to an affiliation: 8.97
Total against: 18.59 %
Yes, and it will help 44.23
Yes, though it won't help 5.77
Yes in principle but need
to get their act together 35.26
Total in principle or
outright in favor: 85.26 %
No, waste of time 9.62
No, government won't listen
to an affiliation: 8.97
Total against: 18.59 %
Yes, though it won't help 5.77
...means that they support you but feel that your efforts won't do any good. This is NOT a vote of confidence.
Yes in principle but need
to get their act together 35.26
...means that they agree with what you said you were all about (when your story was still that you're fighting for consumers, and before you let everyone know that you're only here to serve suppliers, and more specifically only U.S. suppliers) BUT... that they've seen your words and deeds and have been turned off by what they've seen so far. If you take this 35% as a vote of confidence in the ECA as-is, you're quite delusional as well.
The bottom line is that the ONLY choice in that poll that is a vote of confidence that the ECA is a great organization that will be able to save the world as they currently stand, is the "Yes, and it will help" option. Further, I would wager that 90% of the 43% who approve wholeheartedly in the ECA and voted for that option are suppliers and/or members.
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Please do not presume to tell me what I meant when I voted for this option!
I am sure that many people had differing feelings when voting for various options, but what I had in mind was that they are a 'young' organisation and are bound to have a few stumbles along the way, but they are going to have to get up to full running speed very quickly.
So would you agree that in the last month or two, they have failed to do so?
I have repeatedly stated that I am opposed to the witch hunt you are carrying out. I will not therefore enter into any direct debate on the subject with you and I do not wish to have any comments misconstrued or twisted to suit others agendas
LOL @ witch hunt. Why is it that when faced with logic you can't dispute, so many people here just resort to name calling. That's a shame that we can't continue the conversation, but if that's how you deal with things, then so be it. Have a nice day.
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