ECA Packaging

[Boston George]

Viper.

I am sorry you decided to characterize me as you have. Go look around at the threads that I have started, including this one. I truly care about this community and I am constantly bringing up issues that I think will help, regardless if I am on the popular side or not.

And yes, I am working on packaging for a new e-cig. It wont be telling you to "create healthy life" or whatever those current booklets say.

You will get a list of ingredients, packaged date, FDA and nicotine disclaimer, use and storage instructions.

Is it perfect? no, but at least I am moving forward.

As for your rant about how e-cigs are made, do you buy anything at Walmart? I assure you that the major box stores are responsible for more sweat shop labor then the e-cig industry.

I fear you have a political axe to grind and it has very little to do with my business practices.

You claim to have 'stocked up' but frankly I doubt you e-smoke. Either way, if you did, you are guilty of most of the things you indite us for:

Smuggled products into the US from china, most likely with false customs infromation.
Supported sweatshops in china.
etc


vape on,
BG

 

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are there no men exploited or do they just not count?

Mostly TNT, DHL, UPS, FedEx and EMS employees.

 

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nevermind....

Nevermind what?

 

[Viper]

Viper.

I am sorry you decided to characterize me as you have. Go look around at the threads that I have started, including this one. I truly care about this community and I am constantly bringing up issues that I think will help, regardless if I am on the popular side or not.

And yes, I am working on packaging for a new e-cig. It wont be telling you to "create healthy life" or whatever those current booklets say.

You will get a list of ingredients, packaged date, FDA and nicotine disclaimer, use and storage instructions.

Is it perfect? no, but at least I am moving forward.

As for your rant about how e-cigs are made, do you buy anything at Walmart? I assure you that the major box stores are responsible for more sweat shop labor then the e-cig industry.

I fear you have a political axe to grind and it has very little to do with my business practices.

You claim to have 'stocked up' but frankly I doubt you e-smoke. Either way, if you did, you are guilty of most of the things you indite us for:

Smuggled products into the US from china, most likely with false customs infromation.
Supported sweatshops in china.
etc


Vape on,
BG

Believe it or not, as hard as it is to do - I try to buy American products whenever possible. You might think I am weird, but if i have to buy a product from a banana-republic or oppressive state as a last resort, I add 10% and give it to a world hunger or international medical relief fund.

I have never had a single e-cig product that worked for more than three weeks without some problem including heating up so bad in my pocket that it hurt and had to throw it in the toilet. I'll spare you the intimate details.

Most times the supplier replaced it with some excuse that the new part was new and improved or I could pay for an "upgrade" to the latest model because the "warranty" expired. I could never get my money back, always exchange only. Had to wait weeks for the exchange and only if it was within the 7 day, 14 day or 30 day policy. PayPal generally backed up the supplier. In one case I never got a replacement, ever. Only Njoy sent me new batteries and atomizers about six times. I actually got a couple of days use out of them between waiting for parts. The two-piece unit cartridges were so inconsistent, from horrible flavor to 15 puffs total before burning out, the batteries lasted about two hours max. Replaced the batteries, the charger. Now I have an E-8 that seems to work pretty well but I have problems getting cartridges. So I ordered 100 non-nicotine cartridges and got a patch. That's what works for me. Cost me over $450 to get there on my own, not including the patch ($53.00). I only hope that what's in the carts is what they say is in there. Even with the MSDS report on-line, even the reseller won't vouch for it. I put a pencil clip on it and wear it outside my blouse - just in case. I never bought directly from China, everything I got was from a USA source. Yup, $45 additional dollars went to charities. I won't give a dime to ECA. If Johnson Creek ever makes an E8 non nicotine cartridge, I'll buy it without guilt.

 

[Viper]

Would you buy a car or a a sandwhich with those "not yet perfected" disclaimers.

I'm waiting for the third-party e-cig extended warranty scammers to pop up.

Buy my car, I'm really trying, it's not perfected yet, but I'm a really nice guy, really, no matter how people characterize me. They have a political agenda and are just plain ignorant if not stupid, deranged and surely have an axe to grind. Nevertheless, I'll try to convince them and everyone else to buy my product because I know I'm right and they're just misguided idiots. I'm not a greedy criminal, I'm a nice guy, really I am.

Come on, will you ever stop?

 

[Boston George]

Would you buy a car or a a sandwhich with those "not yet perfected" disclaimers.

You did, you bought e-cigs from Njoy and others.

What I find really interesting this that your whole argument is based on two levels of contradiction.

First, you out right say its wrong to buy e-cigs because of the work conditions in china. Moreover, that all of the sellers are basically lying drug smugglers.

And yet you did anyway. Rationalizing it with a donation to charity. Very much a do as I say, not as I do attitude with a charity exemption.

Secondly, you seem to be a big supporter of American business and yet you cast all of the e-cig entrepreneurs as villains. We are creating a new industry. Do you think Henry Ford had perfect warning labels on his cars in the beginning? I don't believe he even had seat belts. Should people have waited to buy the model T until it had 5 star crash test approval from the government?


Finally, you personally accuse me of being a liar and a crook, a greedy one at that. You cite examples of dealing with other e-cig vendors as evidence. You ignore the fact that we are talking in a thread that I started to encourage discussion of better packaging practices. I am neither a charlatan nor a beggar, I would ask that you refrain from blanket accusations and baseless claims.

 

[Viper]

You did, you bought e-cigs from Njoy and others.

What I find really interesting this that your whole argument is based on two levels of contradiction.

First, you out right say its wrong to buy e-cigs because of the work conditions in china. Moreover, that all of the sellers are basically lying drug smugglers.

And yet you did anyway. Rationalizing it with a donation to charity. Very much a do as I say, not as I do attitude with a charity exemption.

Secondly, you seem to be a big supporter of American business and yet you cast all of the e-cig entrepreneurs as villains. We are creating a new industry. Do you think Henry Ford had perfect warning labels on his cars in the beginning? I don't believe he even had seat belts. Should people have waited to buy the model T until it had 5 star crash test approval from the government?


Finally, you personally accuse me of being a liar and a crook, a greedy one at that. You cite examples of dealing with other e-cig vendors as evidence. You ignore the fact that we are talking in a thread that I started to encourage discussion of better packaging practices. I am neither a charlatan nor a beggar, I would ask that you refrain from blanket accusations and baseless claims.

Deal. I'll lay off my opinions and you lay off the analysis paralysis assumptions.

I do give you credit for being the only supplier to respond. I respect that and i sincerely wish you luck in your endeavor. Njoy and the others shipped to me from the USA so I didn't have to play games with couriers, which the Chinese companies told me they would do so that: "ship US no problem, FDA approve, no problem".

If you can supply me with a US made E8 size battery, charger and no-nic carts, you've got a customer! Package it with an FDA approved OTC patch for under a hundred bucks and I'm first on line. Get my husband a US no-nic cigar that won't burn the house down that vapes like a smokestack and my entire family will love you including the smoke stinking cats and furniture!

I wish you luck and please let me know when you can deliver.

 

[Boston George]

Truce accepted.

I have been asking about American made carts, I would hope that more American made stuff comes up once the FDA/SE-Njoy thing gets worked out. Right now its just so risky that it all gets banned. Investing in any sort of manufacturing facility seems out of the question.

I am kinda ...... at JC, I really like their product but they wont sell to any more wholesalers untill next fall or something.

 

[eplanet]

I am kinda ...... at JC, I really like their product but they wont sell to any more wholesalers untill next fall or something.

Me too!!! they have been pushing me off since January!!! WTF?
I am seriously losing interest...


BTW agreed, now is not the time for any U.S. Manufacturing to start, If it were, we would be doing it...

 

[Morrisam]

Heard JJ and Cybercop and God have been banned for impersonating humans.
Could there be another impostor on this thread

 

[OutWest]

I dont know what JC's pricing policies are, but from what i've seen, it's the same price whether you buy it from an authorized retailer or from JC. And, if you buy direct, they will let you return unused portion for any reason (least, the last time i looked). So, at this point in time I dont see any reason to sell their product as long as they are in the retail business themselves. They need to figure out whether theyre going to be retail or wholesale. Not to mention the whole juice turning green thing...

As for starting up a mfg. facility - agree with others; things are too uncertain at this time for the kind of investment it would take to build mfg. facility in the U.S.