You know, I remember that the whole point of e-cigs, or the supposed point was to get smokers to quit by using an e-cig. But I see as time goes on, development is aimed towards creating huge contraptions and all kinds of crazy devices. Instead of trying to work towards mimicking a real cigarette in size and feel, it seems to be going in a different direction. I hope that the new ecigs that come out do not have batteries the size of a computer monitor, and that companies start working towards creating an e-cig that better emulates what a real cigarette feels like and looks like, in order to be more effective as a quit smoking tool rather than forming an entirely new genre/addiction.
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I don't want to quit. Never did. I did finally wake up to the fact that cigarettes were going to kill me or make me very ill.
With that, I want to continue to blow "smoke" so I look at the technology of vaping as an alternative. A larger battery modification makes it more convenient and I don't mind a wire mouth (passthrough). I could care less how I have to hold it and if it looks like a cigarette or not. A bit of nicotine and a bunch of vapor and I'm a happy (healthy) girl.
With that, I want to continue to blow "smoke" so I look at the technology of vaping as an alternative. A larger battery modification makes it more convenient and I don't mind a wire mouth (passthrough). I could care less how I have to hold it and if it looks like a cigarette or not. A bit of nicotine and a bunch of vapor and I'm a happy (healthy) girl.
I also never intended to quit nicotine, I just wanted to quit cigarettes. I am all for whatever format provides nicotine, loads of taste and vapor, ease of use and is cost effective. For my part it doesn't need to look like a cigarette at all. But I must admit that when I bought my first pv I was looking for something that looked like a cig.
Actually ecigs were never sold as smoking cessatation devices but rather an alternative to smoking cigs. The fact is ecig can't be sold as a smoking cessatation device because then it would require FDA approval. The use of an ecig is determined by the user as it is entirely possible to start at high nic level and wean oneself down to 0 nic and then quit altogether. Other users either enjoy vaping more than smoking or like the fact that it has less toxic additives than a cig and have no desire to quit. I don't know which ecig you use but I have the dse 901 and it pretty much looks like a real cig. A lot of these models that you see are custom mods being made and sold by users and not ecig manufactures.
That is great, and I am glad you are happy with it. I just do not think that designs like that are going to appeal to most current smokers. It does not appeal to me. What would appeal to me and a lot of my friends who are cigarette smokers are devices that are geared towards feeling and functioning as close to a real cigarette as possible. I think that better more efficient smaller batteries should be developed, Not just bigger and more gaudy contraptions.
There is a lot to cigarette addiction besides ingesting nicotine. These e-cigs do not give you the same type of chemicals or nicotine delivery that cigarettes do. I dont feel as satisfied when I use my e cig. So it falls short chemically.
on top of that a big part of cigarette addiction is the habit side. The feel of the cigarette the manner in which it smokes the way you in hale it. If you are going to market a tool as a quit smoking device, it should be aimed towards replicating all these things to be more successful.
I am sure if you had an option of a device the size of a flashlight. Or a device that worked just as well that looked and felt like a real cigarette, you would pick the later no?
There is a lot to cigarette addiction besides ingesting nicotine. These e-cigs do not give you the same type of chemicals or nicotine delivery that cigarettes do. I dont feel as satisfied when I use my e cig. So it falls short chemically.
on top of that a big part of cigarette addiction is the habit side. The feel of the cigarette the manner in which it smokes the way you in hale it. If you are going to market a tool as a quit smoking device, it should be aimed towards replicating all these things to be more successful.
I am sure if you had an option of a device the size of a flashlight. Or a device that worked just as well that looked and felt like a real cigarette, you would pick the later no?
I agree with what you're saying. I think the reason that there are large devices though is that people want more power and those are the only size batteries that provide that power. I'm sure as battery technology progresses we will see an end to large PVs.
Please. Look at all the big names in the e-cig world, They are marketing their products as a quit smoking substitute. They are all claiming how much better and safer it is to use over tobacco cigarettes. That has been their main selling point since the devices were launched. Lets not kid ourselves and be naive. Go look at all these sites and promo videos like smoke51, smokingeverwhere, two companies who are in most malls around the country. Your telling me these companies and most others are not marketing their devices as cigarette alternatives. Even if they are doing it between the lines please.
If we admit these devices are not an aid to quit smoking, than the FDA has an even better argument against them. If they are ineffective for smoking cessation, than they are just another addiction.
Yeah I agree Pav. I can see why they are doing it. I just hope that someone is working on perfecting the smaller models out there, or trying to get more efficient batteries that are smaller. In other words I would love to see a future peewee perform as well as a 510. That would be more exciting to me than a flashlight battery is all im saying.
You can get huge batteries now that could power ur e-cig to eternity. thats not really progress. Big batteries that hold enough power to run a car are already out. The goal shouldnt be to use bigger batteries. anyone can do that.
If we admit these devices are not an aid to quit smoking, than the FDA has an even better argument against them. If they are ineffective for smoking cessation, than they are just another addiction.
Yeah I agree Pav. I can see why they are doing it. I just hope that someone is working on perfecting the smaller models out there, or trying to get more efficient batteries that are smaller. In other words I would love to see a future peewee perform as well as a 510. That would be more exciting to me than a flashlight battery is all im saying.
You can get huge batteries now that could power ur e-cig to eternity. thats not really progress. Big batteries that hold enough power to run a car are already out. The goal shouldnt be to use bigger batteries. anyone can do that.
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For me thats exactly what they did. I have not smoked a cigarette in over a month.
I never intended to quit my nicotine addiction, but instead moved to e-cigs as a healthier replacement and I love all the cool and different devices that allow me to do that.
Now maybe one day Ill start to cut back on my daily nicotine amount and eventually get to 0 nic, but that day is not today.
Today I Vape!
Not getting the vape you need? Get a mod! The reason the mods exist is not just for longer vaping time but also to allow the use of cheaper batteries that are much better suited for use with something that requires an amp everytime you activate it!
An e-cig battery can be useless within weeks and unable to hold a charge whereas the mod batteries should serve for many months or even years!
An e-cig battery can be useless within weeks and unable to hold a charge whereas the mod batteries should serve for many months or even years!
My short-term reason for an e-cig was to get away from tobacco cigarettes and all the downsides of them while dealing with serious and debilitating health issues associated with smoking after 44 years.
As I go on, my nicotine density is also being reduced in a huge way, I am now at 12mg/ml after starting at 24mg/ml; testing has shown that I now am at a nicotine level comparable to mild second-hand smoke exposure, and without any of the nasty components of cigarette smoke for myself or for anyone around me.
I will probably stay on this level of nicotine until such time I no longer want to vape.
I feel most comfortable, nicotine treats my ADD symptoms (matter of short term/long term memory and overall brain function) but also gives me a feeling of well-being, rather than fighting constantly with depression, over-eating, and panic that accompanies most people with addiction-prone tendencies without having to resort to pharmaceutical remedies. Responsible Nicotine use is far safer in my opinion than any meds.
I do no longer consider myself a smoker. My health has improved substantially. And my psyche is happy.
Most people who smoked loved to smoke. Most do not go to an e-cig to quit, but to replace tobacco combustion/inhalation. Very very reliably and safely, my opinion! If they do quit completely, that's best of all choices.
As I go on, my nicotine density is also being reduced in a huge way, I am now at 12mg/ml after starting at 24mg/ml; testing has shown that I now am at a nicotine level comparable to mild second-hand smoke exposure, and without any of the nasty components of cigarette smoke for myself or for anyone around me.
I will probably stay on this level of nicotine until such time I no longer want to vape.
I feel most comfortable, nicotine treats my ADD symptoms (matter of short term/long term memory and overall brain function) but also gives me a feeling of well-being, rather than fighting constantly with depression, over-eating, and panic that accompanies most people with addiction-prone tendencies without having to resort to pharmaceutical remedies. Responsible Nicotine use is far safer in my opinion than any meds.
I do no longer consider myself a smoker. My health has improved substantially. And my psyche is happy.
Most people who smoked loved to smoke. Most do not go to an e-cig to quit, but to replace tobacco combustion/inhalation. Very very reliably and safely, my opinion! If they do quit completely, that's best of all choices.
paladinx: I think the issue in this thread is the mis-match of terminology.
In the general world, when people speak of "smoking cessation" and "NRT" they are referring to giving up puffing and nicotine: e-cigs are not designed fopr either of these things.
In the literal sense, yes, we are giving up smoking - but it's not what the powers that be consider to be giving up. Similarly, we are getting a nicotine replacement... but the accepted NRTs require a 'step-down' system, as they are in fact, a nicotine cessation tool.
The majority of e-cig users are using them as an ALTERNATIVE, not for cessation/NRT
In the general world, when people speak of "smoking cessation" and "NRT" they are referring to giving up puffing and nicotine: e-cigs are not designed fopr either of these things.
In the literal sense, yes, we are giving up smoking - but it's not what the powers that be consider to be giving up. Similarly, we are getting a nicotine replacement... but the accepted NRTs require a 'step-down' system, as they are in fact, a nicotine cessation tool.
The majority of e-cig users are using them as an ALTERNATIVE, not for cessation/NRT
I use them to self medicate here in the UK and also really like the penstyle, its perfect in everyway for dripping and I choose it in pink, wood grain, blue, black and white! You can have a mod and still use the cigarette looking vapes when you feel like it 
I was actually thinking of building one thats as big as a baseball bat to bazooka myself with Vape!!!
I don't really understand the problem. Sure there's lots of mods on here that are on the bigger side. But my m401 looks allot like a cigarette, and would work like one too if I didn't choose manual batteries. It seems to me like plenty of the manufacturing is focused on making cig, or close to, cig sized devices. But really asking for smaller batter tech, smokes are the last place that's going to be developed for laptop makers, cell phones, electric cars. There are dozens of industries that would kill for smaller, lighter, better batteries
laptop makers, cell phones, electric cars. There are dozens of industries that would kill for smaller, lighter, better batteries 
I see two issues here:
1. Terminology - As Angela pointed out, when FDA and the tobacco control people say "smoking cessation" what they really mean is "nicotine cessation." If you just quit smoking, but you still use nicotine, you haven't achieved "smoking cessation" in their book.
I think they are wrong on two counts:
A) Their language is imprecise. They need to say what they mean.
B) Insisting on complete nicotine cessation, and developing all of their "smoking" cessation products toward that end, condemns those who cannot quit using nicotine to disease and death, unless those smokers are smart enough and lucky enough to find a reduced-harm source of nicotine.
2. You are confusing manufacturers of e-cigarrettes, and those who market the manufactured varieties, with "modders". The manufacturers do try to keep their products resembling cigarettes. And, yes, their marketing message is aimed at getting smokers to replace their tobacco cigs with e-cigs.
The "modders" are more concerned with obtaining sufficient nicotine and/or volumes of vapor, as well as efficiency of operation (e.g., more powerful batteries that do not need to be changed several times a day.)
1. Terminology - As Angela pointed out, when FDA and the tobacco control people say "smoking cessation" what they really mean is "nicotine cessation." If you just quit smoking, but you still use nicotine, you haven't achieved "smoking cessation" in their book.
I think they are wrong on two counts:
A) Their language is imprecise. They need to say what they mean.
B) Insisting on complete nicotine cessation, and developing all of their "smoking" cessation products toward that end, condemns those who cannot quit using nicotine to disease and death, unless those smokers are smart enough and lucky enough to find a reduced-harm source of nicotine.
2. You are confusing manufacturers of e-cigarrettes, and those who market the manufactured varieties, with "modders". The manufacturers do try to keep their products resembling cigarettes. And, yes, their marketing message is aimed at getting smokers to replace their tobacco cigs with e-cigs.
The "modders" are more concerned with obtaining sufficient nicotine and/or volumes of vapor, as well as efficiency of operation (e.g., more powerful batteries that do not need to be changed several times a day.)
I never wanted to quit either, but after being diagnosed with 15 noncalcified pulmonary nodules scattered about both lungs at 32, along w/other issues, I had two choices. A friend told me of a cig "substitute" called e-cigs. Well, Ill be.....I can shoot "smoke" from my noose/mouth AND its an electronic gadget? Well, to be honest, w/out the health issues, Id be on these like copper on pennies in a heartbeat anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, Im a gadget/tech nut and only smoked for the magical ability to shoot smoke from my nose/mouth anyway so Im one HAPPY camper now! WOOT!
Yes, Im a gadget/tech nut and only smoked for the magical ability to shoot smoke from my nose/mouth anyway so Im one HAPPY camper now! WOOT!
You don't feel as satisfied with a e-cig because there are so many chemicals in analogs that effect your body...all of them dangerous to your continued health. Over 60 of them shown to cause forms of cancer...so I am glad that e-cigs don't have those chemicals in them (one of the reasons I moved from analogs to PV's).
And by the view of the manufacturer, if you stop using analogs, you have quit smoking...right? There is a difference between quit smoking and a nicotine cessation tool/device.
I quit smoking three days ago, but I have been vaping for three full days.
I enjoyed smoking, the act of smoking, but I did not enjoy the shortness of breath, not smelling things, not being able to taste, the tar and chemicals i was sucking into my body...I will probably vape for a long time (I love my Joye510, which feels very much like a analog) even if I do step down my nic level to zero...like I said, I really enjoyed the act.
These companies are not pushing nicotine cessation devices, they are pushing a device that is an alternative to smoking, with the ability for the user to use the tool as a nicotine cessation device if they choose too.
And the big companies devices look incredibly like analog cigs...I own the Smoking Everywhere Gold e-cig, and most people don't realize it isn't a real smoke until I tell them about it...I have since moved on to a better model, imo, which is similar in size to the 100's I used to smoke.
There are many models out there that fit your idea of what an e-cig should look like. and it is the push by the users that have moved some manufacturers to make other models, with bigger batteries, etc.
The beauty of e-cigs is that they're versatile -- you can use them to quit nicotine, or you can use them to get nicotine while avoiding tar and all the other nasty stuff in cigarettes.
It's a big world. There's room for everybody.
It's a big world. There's room for everybody.
I kinda agree with your point of view but I really don't think most who buy an ecig do it to stop. My wife and I started ecigs for better health and to save money. We've done both. She likes her RN4081 and I am sold on the M401. Both very similar to a "real cigarette". I understand the modders ideas but personally, I can never see myself holding a pen, screwdriver, roll of quarters or box to my mouth to vape. Different strokes ya' know.
I haven't seen that claim by a big e-cig company yet.
Virtually ALL of the sites I've visited (if they make any claims about the hazards of smoking) specifically point out that these are NOT designed to help users quit or they state something siliilar. Instead IF they mention anything, it's to suggest they be considered a safer alternative.
I imagine they have been and will be very useful in helping a lot of people quit "smoking", but are probably not very successful in defeating nicotine addiction.
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