ecigs/ vaping "just as bad for you"

[rmk_kelly]

Sooooo, um what if someone vapes 0mg nicotine??? are they still a "smoker"

I Do not smoke anymore, I vape, I am working on getting to 0mg nic. And I just may continue to vape, because I enjoy it

Same here, Sister in vape!

 

[Robdob]

My doc asked about e cigs to help one of his other patients quit. My check up was excellent, heart, lungs- great. B/P low normal. Here's some info re:nicotine effects:

Nicotine Effects

 

[djsvapour]

In the UK, Doctors (GPs, general practitioners) are not allowed to be "pro" Vaping/e-cigs.

The BMA (British Medical Association) have take the stance that it is pragmatic NOT to stand behind e-cigs. The reasoning is this; smoking exists, it shortens life and kills many extremely prematurely. Since we do not know categorically that Vaping is 100% safe (not safer, in this instance, NB..) they are not prepared to take any chances. I kind of understand that.

However, Doctors are generally happy to find out their patients have stopped smoking and most are also considering their Vapers ex-smokers.

I don't know what it all means, but signs are that e-cigs are out there, doing what they can. Attitudes will change, if the "product" manages to survive in 2016 and beyond.

 

[Nate760]

In the UK, Doctors (GPs, general practitioners) are not allowed to be "pro" Vaping/e-cigs.

The BMA (British Medical Association) have take the stance that it is pragmatic NOT to stand behind e-cigs. The reasoning is this; smoking exists, it shortens life and kills many extremely prematurely. Since we do not know categorically that Vaping is 100% safe (not safer, in this instance, NB..) they are not prepared to take any chances. I kind of understand that.

Fortunately, the Royal College of Physicians has a better understanding of harm reduction, and has taken a reasonable and pragmatic view of e-cig usage. When organizations take positions like the BMA's, it's reasonable to wonder how much they're being influenced in doing so by the pharmaceutical industry.

 

[xjonquilx]

Nicotine is extracted from tobacco, a herbal product I believe, so it would even fit the "herbal and homeopathic treatments for everything"....

p.s. My oncologist thought vaping was the best thing to come along since sliced bread. I showed it to him, explained what was contained in the liquid. He led me around his office pointing to my PV and telling his staff and patients how great vaping is, and he's not a "newly minted" doctor. (older than me, so about the same age as dirt).

I acknowledge that but also acknowledge many that are on that kind of kick DON'T consider it to be of natural herbal medicinal value. As someone who came from a long line of tobacco farmers though I know differently... Tobacco itself has a ton of useful medicinal purposes that aren't related to recreational usage, from pulling poison from an insect bite/sting through direct application while moistened to deworming through ingestion. It gets a bad rep over smoking, but the act of smoking itself is the major culprit. You can have health issues from smoking ANYTHING and not just tobacco because ANY smoke period is bad for you.

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[Hey.al]

Look, to many people 'smoking' is a synonym for addiction to nicotine. Simple as that. You are still addicted to nicotine. Nicotine is bad for you. Not as bad as many other things, but it's still bad. It's a fact. Proven time and over again. Vapeing is just less damaging to your health. Much less damaging, but still it's not healthy by itself. Don't be mad at the nurse. Translate her remark "you are still a smoker" to "you are still feeding your nicotine addiction." The rest is semantics.

If she meant that she would have said that.


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[evan le'garde]

Look, to many people 'smoking' is a synonym for addiction to nicotine. Simple as that. You are still addicted to nicotine. Nicotine is bad for you. Not as bad as many other things, but it's still bad. It's a fact. Proven time and over again. Vapeing is just less damaging to your health. Much less damaging, but still it's not healthy by itself. Don't be mad at the nurse. Translate her remark "you are still a smoker" to "you are still feeding your nicotine addiction." The rest is semantics.

But that would mean that chewing nicotine gum and using nicotine patches would mean a user is still a smoker !. Vaping isn't smoking !.

 

[younglioncity]

never bad.. I LOVE IT AS MUCH

 

[Amraann]

I'll be waiting....

Oh, I will certainly let you all know! Honestly, I would be very shocked if he is opposed to them! He does not smoke nor has he ever that I can recall.
I love having debates with him so I am looking forward to this!

 

[Amraann]

If she meant that she would have said that.


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I am not so sure that is true. It is amazing sometimes what people say when they mean something else.

But in this scenario I really think the nurse thinks that smoking and vaping are the same thing.

 

[Nate760]

But that would mean that chewing nicotine gum and using nicotine patches would mean a user is still a smoker !. Vaping isn't smoking !.

Isn't it ironic that when the president of the United States pops a piece of nicotine gum during a press conference, everybody thinks it's cute and funny, but we're supposed to go into full moral panic mode over a different system of nicotine delivery just because it bears a visual resemblance to the act of smoking?

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Look, to many people 'smoking' is a synonym for addiction to nicotine. Simple as that. You are still addicted to nicotine. Nicotine is bad for you. Not as bad as many other things, but it's still bad. It's a fact. Proven time and over again. Vapeing is just less damaging to your health. Much less damaging, but still it's not healthy by itself. Don't be mad at the nurse. Translate her remark "you are still a smoker" to "you are still feeding your nicotine addiction." The rest is semantics.

You are just mistaken, confused by the propaganda (if I’m reading your post right). Nicotine is used in treating things like ulcerative colitis, can help people with ADD/ADHD, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, etc. This isn’t the best article but the first one I stumbled across. Study finds nicotine safe, helps in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's | Tampa Bay Times

Nicotine in small doses is not bad for you unless it is dangerous for you to use a vascular constrictor, is not terribly addictive by itself nor is it a carcinogen.

 

[MD_Boater]

If it's a doctor you never visited before, and they ask if you smoke, and you used to smoke for 20 years but stopped and now vape, and you merely said "No." without mentioning that you smoked for 20 years........ you wouldn't be doing yourself any favors.

"I quit" might be a more useful answer for the doctor.

When you visit the doc office they typically check pulse rate and blood pressure. If they see highish blood pressure all you say about smoking is "No" they're not going to think to ask whether you're using any pacth or gum, they're just going to go with that and its going to affect what medication they end up prescribing.

If I go by a doc (not something I do alot) am definitely making sure he/she sees my pv before they do the stethescope lungcheck thing.

All good points, but I have been seeing the same doctor for over 15 years. He is well aware that I smoked for 30+ years. That was an important omission.

 

[edyle]

In the UK, Doctors (GPs, general practitioners) are not allowed to be "pro" Vaping/e-cigs.

The BMA (British Medical Association) have take the stance that it is pragmatic NOT to stand behind e-cigs. The reasoning is this; smoking exists, it shortens life and kills many extremely prematurely. Since we do not know categorically that Vaping is 100% safe (not safer, in this instance, NB..) they are not prepared to take any chances. I kind of understand that.

However, Doctors are generally happy to find out their patients have stopped smoking and most are also considering their Vapers ex-smokers.

I don't know what it all means, but signs are that e-cigs are out there, doing what they can. Attitudes will change, if the "product" manages to survive in 2016 and beyond.

Figured I'd look for a more direct quote from the BMA, so:
http://bma.org.uk/working-for-change/improving-and-protecting-health/tobacco/e-cigarettes

E-cigarettes

Electronic cigaretteDoctors welcome the decision to regulate electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) to ensure they are a safe and effective way of cutting down or quitting smoking.

The products will be regulated as medicines by the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), or classified as tobacco-containing products if they contain up to 20mg/ml of nicotine, following the adoption of the Tobacco Products Directive by the European Council.

Doctors should also be aware of the latest NICE guidance on tobacco harm reduction for patients who are not ready or able to quit smoking entirely but wish to cut down.

ArrowRead the BMA response to the MHRA announcement

ArrowView the NICE guidance on tobacco harm reduction

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Why are we concerned about e-cigarettes?


These devices directly undermine the effects and intentions of existing legislation including the ban on smoking in enclosed public spaces.

BMA public health medicine committee co-chair Richard Jarvis


E-cigarettes are battery-operated products designed to replicate smoking behaviour without the use of tobacco. Some look like conventional cigarettes, while others appear more like an electronic device.

They use heat to vaporise a liquid-based solution containing nicotine into an aerosol mist and have been proposed as a way to help smokers quit the habit.

They are subject to limited regulation, and are not licensed as a medicine in the UK.

At the BMA's annual meeting, our members agreed that e-cigarettes should be included in the ban on smoking in public places.



Progress in European Parliament

In October 2013, the European Parliament passed a draft law to introduce a raft of measures aimed at curbing tobacco's appeal to young people, including regulation of e-cigarettes.

E-cigarette proposals:
E-cigarettes would be regulated, but not to the same rules as medicinal products unless they are presented as having curative or preventative properties
E-cigarettes for which no such claims are made should contain no more than 30mg/ml of nicotine, carry health warnings and should not be sold to those aged under 18 years
Manufacturers and importers would have to supply a list of all ingredients
E-cigarettes would be subject to the same advertising restrictions as tobacco products.

 

[edyle]

I acknowledge that but also acknowledge many that are on that kind of kick DON'T consider it to be of natural herbal medicinal value. As someone who came from a long line of tobacco farmers though I know differently... Tobacco itself has a ton of useful medicinal purposes that aren't related to recreational usage, from pulling poison from an insect bite/sting through direct application while moistened to deworming through ingestion. It gets a bad rep over smoking, but the act of smoking itself is the major culprit. You can have health issues from smoking ANYTHING and not just tobacco because ANY smoke period is bad for you.

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I figured that was worth emphasising, and is the reason that vaping makes so much difference in the life of a chronic smoker; it is the SMOKE itself which causes the problems.

 

[jmattes91]

I feel much healthier vaping than smoking 25 cigs a day. If it's wrong than I wanna be

 

[Deeo]

Your doctor must be reading all the fear mongering stuff on ecigs. You know you have quit and feel better and don't let anyone make you feel like crap. My doctor has me as a non smoker now. But if he wasn't supportive ( which he is) I wouldn't care what he thinks. As vaping gets more known the doctors will then see the benefits.

 

[metalXcore]

My doctors still label me a smoker as well. They never comment about it, but every time they print out the summary of my visit, there's always a little section that preaches about quitting smoking lol.

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[WillyZee]

depending how the hospital or clinic you go to is set up they could be getting additional funding
depending on the amount of smokers that use there facilities through grants or other government
funding mechanism's,or private and non-profit funding.
regards
mike

This ^^^ ... bet the smokers make Doc more green fees

 

[Nermal]

Hello, Just wanted to add if you check the CASAA website (im unable to post links as a new poster) the front page is posted a recent study which measured the effects from being around vapor from E-juice. If you communicate with your doctor you could send him/her a link to the study or read it yourself.

How cool is that. One post and we're being referred to CASAA. This is a source of optimism.