You can get cheaper deals from almost any UK vendor than the vendors posted above. I could care less about them being involved with the ECTA or ECITA. I order from vendors that don't rip me off ...... simple. Those vendors are aimed at noobies and people that don't know any better. Having the ECTA stamp won't change the fact that they overcharge. They all use the same Chinese equipment and most of the Canadian vendors all use the same juices (which also have laughable prices). Order from who YOU trust and gives you the better prices and service.
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You can get cheaper deals from almost any UK vendor than the vendors posted above. I could care less about them being involved with the ECTA or ECITA. I order from vendors that don't rip me off ...... simple. Those vendors are aimed at noobies and people that don't know any better. Having the ECTA stamp won't change the fact that they overcharge. They all use the same Chinese equipment and most of the Canadian vendors all use the same juices (which also have laughable prices). Order from who YOU trust and gives you the better prices and service.
I agree that everyone should order from whoever they're comfortable with. My post above wasn't about prices though, or at least not only about prices. It was about the cost of safety. I completely agree that having a standard to adhere to makes everyone safer. I completely support the idea in principle, and ECTA's reasoning behind it. Of course having an ECTA or ECITA stamp doesn't mean getting a better deal. Everybody knows that, and in fact the fear is that having the vendors band together will mean getting a worse deal, and it does sound a bit like they're leaning that way, but the stated principles are good.
With that being said, what I was pointing out was that the points ECTA made about product and vendor safety are a very strong argument against ordering from any Canadian vendor at this point, which I'm guessing was not a point they were trying to make, but which was made nevertheless. My point was that you could order juice from a foreing company that was living up to a standard of safety and production, and that you could do so cheaper than ordering in Canada. If you can get a safer product cheaper elsewhere, then why wouldn't you do so? It's not costing you any more to get a safer product. Since most seem to stockpile juices even if the shipping time is a bit longer it wouldn't really matter. It would just require a little extra planning around the timing.
In short, it doesn't cost you anything extra to be safe, if you agree with the logic the regulated vendors are safer than unregulated vendors. Or even if you don't, since the actual dollar cost is still lower
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Ordering juice outside of Canada is risky that's why most people don't do it. That's also why our proud and honest Canadian vendors up the prices to ridiculous amounts. As for the hardware, yes!! you can get it cheaper and it's just as safe. So why not? I can't answer that because I already do
It comes down to juice quality, really. Just because the juices are the same or similar prices does not mean that they are the same or similar quality. It is not difficult or even risky really for a person to get nic juice to their home (for vendors it can be a whole different story). The incidents are few and far between for the number of packages that cross the border each day. The quality of many of our Canadian juice vendors is already very high. I do not think that any of these guys are mixing it in their bathtub while they take a dump, or something equally as ......ed. I do think though that we can definitely afford to have more testing done on our products (juice in particular), more info on labels, batch tests, ingredient listing, bilingual labeling, and other pertinent information. Flavour Crafters is leading the way in this, no doubt, and they haven't needed a regulatory agency to tell them how to do it (though they are an ECTA member, so they can help others to reach this standard). It's common sense and lots of research for an intelligent person.
All in all, I don't believe that these products are dangerous, but it would be beneficial for the industry to do the things I mentioned above to provide not only ease of mind for consumers, but to make the industry as a whole look (and be) more professional.
All in all, I don't believe that these products are dangerous, but it would be beneficial for the industry to do the things I mentioned above to provide not only ease of mind for consumers, but to make the industry as a whole look (and be) more professional.
Ordering juice outside of Canada is risky that's why most people don't do it. That's also why our proud and honest Canadian vendors up the prices to ridiculous amounts. As for the hardware, yes!! you can get it cheaper and it's just as safe. So why not? I can't answer that because I already do
You are really getting on my nerves with your stupid comments regarding this serious issue. If you are happier buying your liquids elsewhere, so be it. The vendors here stick there necks out supplying Canadians with there ecig supplies. Nobody is forcing you to buy your stuff from anyone in Canada, so if you want to order from China because it's cheaper without knowing what is in the juice, go right ahead. There is no set price in Canada, and vendors are within their rights and means to charge what they want. They are trying to run a business by the way, and the cost of running a business is not cheap. Wait to see what happens in the future when an association is formed to legally buy liquid here in Canada. You will be even more unhappy.
The ironic thing is, with regarding to nic in juice particularly, the more success that ECTA makes with HC and all the regulation stuff, the more choices we as consumers get. Imagine the day when we can order nic juice from anywhere in the world and not have to worry about it being seized at customs. Whether you want the cheapest prices, the most famed juices, or a specialty mod made only by one vendor in the world, we get that choice (yes, I know we can do some of that now already, but we can stalk the mail delivery system with more eagerness). The current ECTA members are at risk of potentially shooting themselves in the foot for doing this, and they already know this and have stated it, but they are doing it anyway.
I like a reference made about ECTA (or ECITA) being similar to BBB. Not everyone looks to see if a service is BBB verified, but I do when it means something important to me. When I get the wiring and plumbing done in our basement you can guarantee I'm going with someone who has a good reputation. It may cost me more, but I have peace of mind about it being done properly and safely. That's a price I'm willing to pay for quality and accountability. The same reasoning applies to ECTA as they progress through our canadian politics and regulations.
I like a reference made about ECTA (or ECITA) being similar to BBB. Not everyone looks to see if a service is BBB verified, but I do when it means something important to me. When I get the wiring and plumbing done in our basement you can guarantee I'm going with someone who has a good reputation. It may cost me more, but I have peace of mind about it being done properly and safely. That's a price I'm willing to pay for quality and accountability. The same reasoning applies to ECTA as they progress through our canadian politics and regulations.
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I think the point talion makes here is that ECTA membership does not necessarily have to mean higher prices and cites ECITA as a valid example in support of this argument. I'd agree with that and can only hope ECTA plays fair to preserve this ideal.
Frankly, at this stage, I'm more concerned with my basic right to vape and freedom to choose what to buy and from whom to buy it. The thought of my government limiting or even eliminating my rights to do so, thereby forcing me back to cigarettes, is grotesque to me.
This is where I see the ECTA as having the potential to help us all if they play their cards right. While pricing, product selection and safety also represent valid concerns, these are of secondary importance to me. Quite simply, such concerns won't even exist if our right to vape is effectively removed or severely limited. There are other countries who have already gone this route.
Frankly, at this stage, I'm more concerned with my basic right to vape and freedom to choose what to buy and from whom to buy it. The thought of my government limiting or even eliminating my rights to do so, thereby forcing me back to cigarettes, is grotesque to me.
This is where I see the ECTA as having the potential to help us all if they play their cards right. While pricing, product selection and safety also represent valid concerns, these are of secondary importance to me. Quite simply, such concerns won't even exist if our right to vape is effectively removed or severely limited. There are other countries who have already gone this route.
Are you serious Aurora? I don't understand why people think vendors are risking anything for us. Like you said, they are running a business, and they are making a lot of money from it. These are people that saw a growing industry in Canada, and wanted to capitalize on it. They didn't get into it to help people. Canadian vapers don't owe them anything. It is people like you that scare newbies into getting ripped of by Canadian vendors, or shame them into buying Canadian.
Of course these vendors can charge whatever they want, the same goes for American and Chinese vendors. I just don't understand how they get away with the high prices. With a business that is primarily done over the internet, it isn't hard for consumers to compare prices, and get the best deal they can.
You think these Canadian vendors know whats in their juice? You think they test every bottle of dekang or hanseng they sell? Or all the Chinese nicotine they use? Of course they don't, but you'd rather people pay 20 bucks a bottle for it, instead of $5 if you order directly from from China. I can almost guarantee that dekang has better facilities than any Canadian vendor.
No one should ever pay more than $15 a bottle for juice, its ridiculous to pay more for something that is so cheap to make. Luckily, we now have a few vendors that sell good juice at reasonable prices.
Of course these vendors can charge whatever they want, the same goes for American and Chinese vendors. I just don't understand how they get away with the high prices. With a business that is primarily done over the internet, it isn't hard for consumers to compare prices, and get the best deal they can.
You think these Canadian vendors know whats in their juice? You think they test every bottle of dekang or hanseng they sell? Or all the Chinese nicotine they use? Of course they don't, but you'd rather people pay 20 bucks a bottle for it, instead of $5 if you order directly from from China. I can almost guarantee that dekang has better facilities than any Canadian vendor.
No one should ever pay more than $15 a bottle for juice, its ridiculous to pay more for something that is so cheap to make. Luckily, we now have a few vendors that sell good juice at reasonable prices.
You are right albertbert, and I am wrong. Read chellynelly's post she says it more eloquently. Because since I am a 'noob' I don't really know what I'm talking about. Sorry. I would rather have liquid in a sealed, glass jar with a use before date instead of in a standard plastic bottle, which in itself may be bad for my health, that has a label that just says 'Dekang Spearmint' on it.
Oh, and I am not sure how I am scaring anybody into buying from one vendor over another, we all know with a forum like this we can read what juices are good, what the prices are, how easy it is too get and so forth. We all have options. I have no problem with paying $15 for a 30ml bottle of juice. If it's want I really want, if just to try it out I will pay that price. It's no different than a couple months ago I was paying almost that amount for one pack of cigarettes.
Oh, and I am not sure how I am scaring anybody into buying from one vendor over another, we all know with a forum like this we can read what juices are good, what the prices are, how easy it is too get and so forth. We all have options. I have no problem with paying $15 for a 30ml bottle of juice. If it's want I really want, if just to try it out I will pay that price. It's no different than a couple months ago I was paying almost that amount for one pack of cigarettes.
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I didn't call you a newb.
That is all fine, and i have no problem with any the stuff chelly said. I just don't like the whole, buy Canadian or you are being unsafe/unpatriotic stuff.
That is all fine, and i have no problem with any the stuff chelly said. I just don't like the whole, buy Canadian or you are being unsafe/unpatriotic stuff.
I buy my E-Juice from a Canadian vendor. Just happens this Canadian vendor doesn't rip me off and charge an arm and a leg. I support certain Canadian vendors, but only a few. The ones associated with ECTA I do not support due to their over charging habits. I also support a couple vendors from the UK. Now if you don't mind I'm going to try some of this new juice I got today from a vendor that doesn't charge me for every mouse click I make on their site. Get your .... where you want ...... I could care less.
I don't understand this quality issue. What possible things do you think will be in these juices? The people producing these juices have a reputation to keep so they're going to do everything they can to protect that.
One bad batch of (insert juice company here) sent out and that whole company is in big trouble.
Putting anything foreign to your body is bad for your health. That's just common sense.
Also, good luck finding anyone selling juice in sealed glass bottles. Plastic bottles are what the industry uses. They're cheap and they work perfect.
One bad batch of (insert juice company here) sent out and that whole company is in big trouble.
Putting anything foreign to your body is bad for your health. That's just common sense.
Also, good luck finding anyone selling juice in sealed glass bottles. Plastic bottles are what the industry uses. They're cheap and they work perfect.
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I buy Canadian where I can, even if that means spending a little extra. I would rather see a Canadian with my money so he/she can turn around and spend more money in Canada.
E-juice, clothing, whatever.
Pretty much everything is made in China anyway so at least support the local retailers.
E-juice, clothing, whatever.
Pretty much everything is made in China anyway so at least support the local retailers.
If it were only a little extra it wouldn't be a problem.
I think it's the ones just starting out that get screwed the most. The amount of research you need to do to find a decent reasonably priced vendor is ridiculous due to the "lack there of". We all know how expensive it can be when you first start vaping, trying to find out what works and what doesn't. When I first started I spent hundreds of wasted dollars trying to find the right setup only to find out the guys I was dealing with were charging over twice as much what I should have been paying. My own fault for not doing enough research I guess. I don't know anybody who buys from these particular vendors so I assume it's mostly new people they prey on seeing as they are the sites that have been here the longest and get the most hits on google <---- google it
http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.../products/e-liquid-3-(page-picture-large).jpg
I get lucky too sometimes, imported american, expensive but so wonderful and worth the pennies.
Oh and did you see the post about BWB 'hair in juice bottle'. Something that made me go hmmm.
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I think halo has them too, but it doesn't change that fact that the vast majority of juice vendors use plastic dropper bottles.
I think you've missed the point of most of the conversation in this thread.
With respect, could we perhaps get back to discussing more ECTA-relevant points on this 'ECTA' thread?
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