Eden Mods Rose 3

[TheotherSteveS]

That was exactly my expectation for MTL, when I first saw it. Glad you confirmed it

...time is a healer...been vaping it this morning and now the wick and coil have settled in and i have it dialled in on the dicodes, it is approaching epic! Really really good. Still a very loose M2L though but really liking it!

ps. Build is 0.3 ohm NiFe48 26g (about 9 wraps i think around 2.5mm) microcoil, S-wick using cotton bacon. One turn of JF more than enough. 60:40 VG/PG. 235C at 28W on the dicodes (using TCR of 405). Seriously thinking I might need to drop the nic a bit and I've only ever had to do that with an rta once before, on an Ubertoot, and that was vaping DL !!!!

 

[snork]

...time is a healer...been vaping it this morning and now the wick and coil have settled in and i have it dialled in on the dicodes, it is approaching epic! Really really good. Still a very loose M2L though but really liking it!

Me too!
My first day was rather frustrating as I had a brain lock and couldn't figure out how to take it apart; my years of vaping with the original obscured my common sense. Once I stumbled onto the fact you need to remove the bottom ring which surrounds the 510 and then giving myself a forceful facepalm as punishment I'm golden.
It is supremely easy to build on. I love how the coil can be oriented whichever way and then the wick ring can be put on to match the orientation. I chose a beefy 3.5mm 9 wrap 24g kanthal coil @.87 ohms for mechanical vaping with rayon wick. It is excellent!
I'm not one to speak about flavor because these days I vape unflavored. Nor am I one to talk about MTL because even after these years I have no idea what that means and I don't really care. I can vape all sorts of draws and as long as I can say "I like that" I'm happy. I do know I can crank it down to approximate a Rose V2 and also open it up stupid wide. Good enough. It also hasn't leaked a drop. My preferred styles of Super-T tips work great on it too and I'm SUPER excited about that!
I'll give it a 4.5 out of 5. The quality, versatility and ease of use are its fortes. Visually it's pretty enough but I'm still getting used to its roundy top. The lack of an allen key in the packaging and the rather loose AC ring mechanism are the .5 deductions. The former is no biggie (but strangely disappointing) and the latter - a fix is surely possible.

 

[bgmat58]

Just built mine. 6 wraps microcoil using 26 gauge kanthal using a 3mm bit. 0.9ohms at 18.5 watts is pretty satisfying no doubt!

I previously had the Rose v2 and while I enjoyed it I prefer the adjustability of the Rose 3 air flow wise. I can use MTL or DL which is awesome. I also really love the new top fill option. The Rose 2 was finicky and required so many different tools and stands. This one is much more user friendly.

One thing I noticed is my afc ring has some play vertically. I tightened the bottom cap all the way and did not really pay attention prior to disassembling how it initially looked. It is really bothering me cause the rest of the tank is seamless but the afc ring looks loose. Is this by design so it spins more freely or did I mess up somewhere along the line?!

 

[snork]

One thing I noticed is my afc ring has some play vertically. I tightened the bottom cap all the way and did not really pay attention prior to disassembling how it initially looked. It is really bothering me cause the rest of the tank is seamless but the afc ring looks loose. Is this by design so it spins more freely or did I mess up somewhere along the line?!

Something's messed up there. There is virtually no vertical play in mine. Check that your little spring wire isn't out of its grooves and impeding proper assembly.
Caution: take to heart that the spring wire is small and barely visible if you disassemble the AC ring. Do it carefully over a surface on which you can spot it if it drops.

 

[RabbiXX]

One thing I noticed is my afc ring has some play vertically. I tightened the bottom cap all the way and did not really pay attention prior to disassembling how it initially looked.

There is just a hint of vertical play in mine. If it is very noticeable then there is something wrong. It is very easy to not have the bottom cap as tight as it can go. I had issues with this my first couple days.

 

[mindriot]

It is really bothering me cause the rest of the tank is seamless but the afc ring looks loose. Is this by design so it spins more freely or did I mess up somewhere along the line?!

For sure something not right there. Mine also has almost no vertical play. If the deck section isn't seated right then the bottom won't go in all the way but it might look like it is in ok, the deck section should sit completely flush with part the base screws on to.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Cant help thinking the AFC is a little over-engineered. I doubt many peoiple are in the habit of adjusting the AFC enough to wear an o-ring out. I certainly have never done it. Anyway, works ok although a bit looser than I thought it would be..

 

[mindriot]

I really resonated with your "questing" for a Vape statement. I have a million Rtas and they are my go to form of vaping except when I'm at home which is when the drippers come out (hobo 3.1 , NaRDA, NoPity and recently have started using my Drifter which I like so much better as a bottom feeder for some reason) but I feel recently as if I am buying a lot of cheaper (hype)rta's looking for the magic I briefly found with my kayfun v5(which I do love by the way don't get me wrong) however the v5 for me feels like its too loose for the MTL draw I prefer and too restricted for the lung hit I prefer. Its one of those RTAs that is kind of lost in translation.

This rose3 looks and sounds like its right up my alley lol I wish I knew someone who had one lol 8)

It isn't exactly airy, there is more air than the wide open KF5 although for the most part I do close it off a little. If your lucky one of your friends will go out and buy one so you can try it and decide

As a slight aside, did you try the MTL kit on the KF?

 

[RabbiXX]

I doubt many peoiple are in the habit of adjusting the AFC enough to wear an o-ring out.

If I don't keep the o-ring against the AFC of the Kayfun v5 lubricated, it will eventually dry up. If I keep adjusting the AFC after the o-ring is dried it will start to eat the o-ring and a small leak will start out the bottom. It's preventable with reg maintenance, but it's a little annoying to have to do.

So honestly, I'm very happy to have a tank that doesn't have an o-ring there now. I do think a smidge more tension on the Rose 3's AFC would be nice, but not really a deal breaker for me.

 

[SilverBear]

I'm more interested in the liquid you're using. Tell us more.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

If I don't keep the o-ring against the AFC of the Kayfun v5 lubricated, it will eventually dry up. If I keep adjusting the AFC after the o-ring is dried it will start to eat the o-ring and a small leak will start out the bottom. It's preventable with reg maintenance, but it's a little annoying to have to do.

So honestly, I'm very happy to have a tank that doesn't have an o-ring there now. I do think a smidge more tension on the Rose 3's AFC would be nice, but not really a deal breaker for me.

certainly not a dealbreaker!! And it works so no problem. One question is why they dont include a couple of spare wires rather than making you have to wait for them to mail you one if it gets lost.

 

[RabbiXX]

One question is why they dont include a couple of spare wires rather than making you have to wait for them to mail you one if it gets lost.

They probably already wish they did There seems to be an inverse relationship between the price of the atomizer and the amount of spares you get. I've never understood this. SvoëMesto with their Kayfun v5 is the only higher end atty I have purchased that came with adequate spares (of course it kind of needs them). Some attys I have gotten didn't even come with spares...

 

[TheotherSteveS]

They probably already wish they did There seems to be an inverse relationship between the price of the atomizer and the amount of spares you get. I've never understood this. SvoëMesto with their Kayfun v5 is the only higher end atty I have purchased that came with adequate spares (of course it kind of needs them). Some attys I have gotten didn't even come with spares...

cough...hurricane...cough..

 

[RabbiXX]

cough...hurricane...cough..

I don't actually have one, but guessing they must have been generous with the spares, so good on them. I've heard good things about the Hurricane v1.3, but the bottom fill always kept me away. Juice flow control combined with top fill has completely spoiled me. I just don't consider RTA's anymore unless they have these two features. I do have more RDAs than RTAs though...

 

[TheotherSteveS]

I don't actually have one, but guessing they must have been generous with the spares, so good on them. I've heard good things about the Hurricane v1.3, but the bottom fill always kept me away. Juice flow control combined with top fill has completely spoiled me. I just don't consider RTA's anymore unless they have these two features. I do have more RDAs than RTAs though...

Hurricane had/has no spares - zero, nada, nil, none. Not a single o-ring!! Have to buy separate spares pack....for a device that originally cost around £130 or more as far as I remember. Pretty bad. I sold mine. Overrated imho. Hated the AF with a passion and the AFC ring rattled if you were lucky or completely jammed if not.

 

[Millah]

The thing I find strange is the lack of hex key for the hex screws on the deck. Their reasoning for not including it is even stranger. Luckily I had a hex key that fit, but only 1 of mine fit.

Anyway, for the MTLers wondering how it performs, after spending the last 2 days with it I'm pretty satisfied. There's only one issue. The AFC does not have an air tight seal with the body, meaning air slips through the seam, which I imagine has to do with the spring wire mechanism they're using. So if you're looking for a really really tight draw, you might not be happy. I currently have the AFC closed entirely, and that's giving me a tight enough draw for MTL. But I can be satisfied with a looser draw for MTL.

My concerns over the air hole under coil being too large are not a problem. It's not overly harsh. Wicking performance is great with the new deck. And it's a TON easier to build on and wick compared to the Rose v2.

So overall, very happy with it. It's a beautiful atomizer, exceptionally well machined and high quality, and I absolutely love its size with how much juice it holds.

 

[RabbiXX]

Hurricane had/has no spares - zero, nada, nil, none. Not a single o-ring!! Have to buy separate spares pack....for a device that originally cost around £130 or more as far as I remember. Pretty bad. I sold mine. Overrated imho. Hated the AF with a passion and the AFC ring rattled if you were lucky or completely jammed if not.

 

[RabbiXX]

The thing I find strange is the lack of hex key for the hex screws on the deck. Their reasoning for not including it is even stranger.

According to them, their supplier was providing a subpar product where the size was not even right in some cases. So they are in the middle of finding a new source. It was either not include them, or delay shipping the product. I think they made the right choice.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

I AM grumpy cat...

 

[Millah]

According to them, their supplier was providing a subpar product where the size was not even right in some cases. So they are in the middle of finding a new source. It was either not include them, or delay shipping the product. I think they made the right choice.

Yea I've heard why. I just think it's strange. A hex key I can't imagine is a very difficult or critical piece to manufacture, it's a very common tool. What I would believe is being sent the wrong size. But did they really gather all their hex keys so last minute, that it would have significantly impacted their launch to order (standard sized) hex keys from a different source?

Like I said, I find the whole thing strange. Just seems like a last minute consideration to me. They were trying VERY hard to minimize their costs this time around, so I see that as a very likely possibility.