Again, care to elaborate on that?
Your premiss is that the FDA would surely label them as dangerous to your health because of the filler. What are you basing that assumption on?
Edition 2 Cartomizers and the Manufacturers Intent
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Again, care to elaborate on that?
Your premiss is that the FDA would surely label them as dangerous to your health because of the filler. What are you basing that assumption on?
The way I see it is, if the Chinese want to sell to an American Market, then they need to deal with American high standards.
I don't really think the Ferrari/Standard Sedan comparison is an accurate analogy. No one is looking for a fancy, "bells and whistles" product. We just want safety, reliability, economy, and ease of use. We want a Honda, not a Yugo... I think the Honda/Yugo comparison is more accurate.
Americans are very demanding. Ironically, our demand for quality is what dealt an almost fatal blow to American car manufacturers, and made Japan the economic superpower it is today. Maybe the Chinese can learn from that example.
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They have not labeled them as dangerous yet so that is a good sign. You can bet their looking for a reason though. The assumption is that no burning filler is better than burning filler material. Don't take a genius to figure out the FDA would sooner or later have a problem with the fact that burnt polyester fill is unintentionally being inhaled even if it is a very small amount and most like harmless. You'd be foolish to think otherwise at this point in the game.
.They have not labeled them as dangerous yet so that is a good sign. You can bet their looking for a reason though. The assumption is that no burning filler is better than burning filler material. Don't take a genius to figure out the FDA would sooner or later have a problem with the fact that burnt polyester fill is unintentionally being inhaled even if it is a very small amount and most like harmless. You'd be foolish to think otherwise at this point in the game.
no, I think I'd be foolish to draw conclusions based on ... well, nothing.
lol, So true
. If anyone actually shared this knowledge you keep alluding to I might not be so blissful 
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I do agree with your Honda/Yugo analogy better, I didn't pick the Ferrari analogy. I do disagree that some of the people bashing this product are looking for fancy "bells and whistles" in a sense. They are trying to push a product designed for ~3-3.7 volts beyond that voltage and get upset when it doesn't pull along the way they think it should. So far we have one person that says they work fine at normal voltages, even with heavy vaping. I'll see for myself shortly. This will all work out in the end and we'll most likely all be buying some fantastic cartos sans filler very soon.
Did you miss the Duck's review? That was 3.7 right?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ews/106231-raw-duck-v2-cartomizer-review.html
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No problem Sometimes soapboxes need to be jumped on. Ill jump on one right now Myself.
Dont misunderstand my post. I am all for new product development and improvements in Cartomizer design. But having a background in manufacturing I also understand the need for design review and testing.
It is exceedingly rare, I should say all most impossible, that a new product can go from a design state to a finished product in one step. Unforeseen Design flaws, Manufacturing problems and cost overruns force a product to be revised only to sometimes discover new issues. This process of redesign and remanufacture take time and costs money.
Unfortunately, I dont think CE2 Cartomizers are a Finished product. I see them more as a work in progress. But someone seems to have a warehouse full of them and a lot of money to gain, or lose, if they are not brought to market.
I can only go by what scraps of information I can glean from sources with diverse interests in these cartomizers as to if it is something I would like to try. At this time, I do not. Does that imply that I would Never consider trying a new design Cartomizer? No, it does not.
I am concerned with what goes on inside any type of nicotine delivery system. My choice to use an e-Cig is more of the choice between the lesser of two evils.
But my Biggest concern is Quality Control and The sale of unbranded e-Cig products.
Who makes these Cartomizers that I attach to my eGo? They have no Trademarks. They come Unbranded. Some dont even come in a Box. What manufacture standards were they produced under? What Materials were used? What Quality Control procedures are in place to ensure that a Cartomizer is made and performs the way it should? I see no traceability and that scares me.
I read post where people state that NiChrome atomizer wire have this temperature and that e-Glass or Kevar wicks have this decomposition temperature so everything is Safe. Or people show brown spots or holes in filler material and say that this is proof that they are Not Safe.
I dont think anyone knows what is Good, Bad or Indifferent because I dont think anyone Actually knows what materials are actually inside every Cartomizer. Or even if the Cartomizers they buy this week are the same as the ones they bought last week. And that goes for the retail vendors also. As another member mentioned, all Cartomizers are not the same.
But this is what you get in an unregulated market where the product comes from foreign suppliers.
Am I saying that every Chinese manufacture of Cartomizers substitutes Inferior Materials, has Questionable manufacturing processes and little or no Quality Control? No, I am not. Am I saying that there exists a profit induced climate with no regulations where substandard products could reach the consumer, Absolutely.
So I guess the Big debate will continue and the CE2 is just the latest player to be discussed.
BTW Not sure if this thread is a spill over from another but there is some interesting things mentioned about the CE2 Cartomizers in the link below.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vapor4life/104491-edition-2-cartomizers.html
Right on Zoidman, I tried to tell a bunch of people the same thing, they didnt want to here hear it.!! Good job, no great Job
I didn't miss it, but I'm not sure what he is using. It's not a stick or a typical manufactured piece.
Zoidman,
Excellent...
One of the things I like about cartridges (only as an reference) is being able to control what my wicking material is, what atomizer I use, and the cartridge itself.
With a cartomizer, a defect can mean inhaling something I don't want, and not being able to correct it.
It's the principle- not the product that causes problems for me.
Excellent...
One of the things I like about cartridges (only as an reference) is being able to control what my wicking material is, what atomizer I use, and the cartridge itself.
With a cartomizer, a defect can mean inhaling something I don't want, and not being able to correct it.
It's the principle- not the product that causes problems for me.
What? He said the review was at 3.7v. He's using an 18650 battery. I'm rather disappointed that you chose to omit this review while mentioning the other? Duck has done a number of impartial reviews and has been around for a long time and vaped pretty much everything... Who did the one you're referring to? To say that you discounted the review because he's using a battery mod implies that you don't think it fair to evaluate it with anything other than something comaprable to a 510 like battery which delivers significantly under 3.7 volts?
I think you were being very neutral before and, no offense, but you have agreed to help them out as their spokesman here right?
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I am sorry that I didn:t elabriate more in my review... rookie mistake
It doesn:t really matter what device I was using.. but if you need to know it is called the GGTS... the important thing to note is that I using one of the most used type of batteries in the vaping world .. Li-ion 3.7v battery... if it shouldn:t be used on that... then I don:t know what to say... i guess it would be concidered a step backwards since that is the type of battery that ecigs have been using at the get go.... now granted my batter holds it:s charge much longer.. still doesn:t change the fact it is basicly the same thing.
I originally started the tests with a basic set up like all begining vapers use... PG based low flavor liquid and 3.7v.. I then went up to 20% VG since that IMO is a good mix with out changing the thickness too much.
I really was hoping for the best, I am also not saying it is the worst, BUT please understand it was an unbiased review/test... I tried not to formulate too big of an opinion... and just wanted to show my findings...
I chose to reply again, because it seems that my review wasn:t as clear to the majority as I tried to protray .... I will anxiously be waiting for your comments AFTER you have performed your tests....
Thank you
LGD
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Wait what? yes they have... They gave us all that bad press for a few parts per million of diethalyne glycol in just one of the samples they tested. Every news organization I saw that ran anything on ecigs ran a "Ecigs, are these dangerous and filled with antifreeze" segment.
I agree though that burning polyfill would be a powerful blow that they might strike against us.
As for the wick burning...try washing that wick with boiling water, itll turn white again. The only way I've found to burn it is with a torch, and seeing as my torch will melt the entire atomizer, not just the wick...yah
I have been completely satisfied with the 510 CE2's. I have been using one for several days now and it is working great.
I have been completely satisfied with the 510 CE2's. I have been using one for several days now and it is working great.
How about switching it up. Maybe rotating between 5 or 10 different carts every couple hours or so? I only ask so we can get an idea of consistency between them or quality control standards.
he said they work hreat with his tornado, so i would suggest to use them on ego,riva,vgo,tornado and hello, i got my 1000mah tornado in auto and manual waiting patiently for the e2 carto to arrive
These carts should work great on any 3.3v battery (mostly Joyetech systems like the Joye 510 and eGo). They're working on the 3.7v system like KR808 and examining the current revisions for performance.
All the comments and concerns that the members of ECF have voiced about the new carts seems to have paid off. I've seen pics of a new design that will go into production soon that appears to fix all the problems! Of course seeing pics and using it are two different things I know, but given the progression of versions I've been talking about this latest one look to be THE one. I'll report back to the forums when I find out more.
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