They include a special cyclone drip tip with extra restriction for mtl in addition to the airflow control. MTL restriction is not that difficult to achieve so I say that is just an invalid excuse you are using to talk yourself out of it.
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Adding restriction at a drip tip is simple & for the most part unnecessary by any stretch of the imagination. You are not trying to suck a golf ball through a garden hose here. You are trying to fill your mouth with vapor and breathe it in. If you want to add restriction it is easy enough to add a silicone plug or cap from a c2 or carto with the desired orifice to a 510 drip tip. Plenty of other ways to do it as well.
Sure, vaping is essentially 'filling your mouth with vapor and breathing it in' but the draw is important for a lot of people. I don't have any old cartos and I doubt most people would still have any of those around. I have the Ego AIO and if the AFC is the same on the Egrip 2 as it is on there, then the airflow is not extremely restriected for a MTL vapor at the smallest setting. The spiral drip tip it comes with also doesn't help much in that regard, and I personally don't care for the plastic feel of it. I'm not trying to talk myself out of buying it as I DO want the device but since I barely use my AIO, mainly due to the draw, I don't want to buy a device that I will barely use for the same reason.
Same with my Uwell Crown and other sub-ohm tanks that I own, trying to get a MTL draw on something designed for lung hits isn't quite as easy as just restricting the draw sometimes. It can hit too harsh or still be really airy. I would like to hear some input from people once they get their own devices to see if the airflow can be more restricted in the design of the device rather than finding things to stuff into my drip tip or whatever to make it tighter.
Same with my Uwell Crown and other sub-ohm tanks that I own, trying to get a MTL draw on something designed for lung hits isn't quite as easy as just restricting the draw sometimes. It can hit too harsh or still be really airy. I would like to hear some input from people once they get their own devices to see if the airflow can be more restricted in the design of the device rather than finding things to stuff into my drip tip or whatever to make it tighter.
I buy a lot of MTL drip tips and I use them on my Subtanks, Crowns, MadHatter v2, Mutation XL v3, etc. and they seem to work fine for me. Although I have been known when without a MTL drip tip, put my lips inside of a wide bore to restrict the airflow that way. I dunno, it works for me. Maybe it only works with lips like mine.
Don't get me wrong, when I first quit, I was the same way, but I used Cartos, CE2,CE4,& CE5s, Protanks, etc, that were designed for that type of vape. As I advanced to rebuildables and Temperature Control I found that My desired draw changed very quickly in adapting to the performance of the newer equipment. My experience tells me yours will as well IF you give it half a chance, Your desires will change faster than you realize, but admittedly that came (in my experience at least) when I branched out into exploring different flavors and ceased to desire tobacco flavors exclusively. Now I don't vape anything tobacco flavored because I just don't enjoy it anymore because if I'm honest it didn't ever taste right to me to begin with and I never really truly enjoyed it anyway.
It was the original Egrip with the RBA Base that actually began the change in the Draw Style of my Vaping. Subtank use greatly accelerated this. More modern vaping equipment performs leaps and bounds beyond the capabilities of that older equipment and I can never understand why people buy more advanced equipment than they need and then not use it rather than seek to customize the capabilities of it to suit their needs. Part of the joy of vaping for me is customizing the equipment I have to satisfy my needs.
There are a ton of restrictive drip tips on the market today. Fasttech carries a huge selection of other tips that might suit your needs. I think there are adjustable restriction drip tips available as well. A plastic disc below a drip tip with a certain hole size can restrict the airflow to your desired draw. SS mesh, Coffee Filters or foam filters can also be used to add restriction.
Egrip II uses the same TFTA Top Filling Top Airflow design and coils as the AIO, Cubis, & Cubis Mini. It is great that you have an AIO now because you can try different drip tips and methods of adding restriction in it to find out what works for you. I have never used the TFTA system and have never takent it apart but it occurs to me the airflow might be altered greatly with the substitution of a thicker oring in one or two places in the design.
Don't just not use a piece of equipment because you don't like it. Take some time to make it into what you want it to be. If you can't, You might as well just piff it if that is the case and by all means do not waste your money on a new piece of equipment designed to function in exactly the same way and expect it to perform any differently.
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I've tried fiddling with the draw of my AIO and haven't found anything to my liking yet. I'm using a rather narrow bore drip tip and the AFC set at the tightest and it is still too harsh and airy for me. I'm not opposed to customizing my equipment to make it perform the way I prefer, but I would also rather be able to use the design of the equipment itself rather than finding plugs and mesh and the right sized O-rings. With the option of so many devices out there, I don't see why I should use something I don't like. Not to say I don't like my AIO, I really want to like it. But I don't want to try a dozen different ways to get the draw I want, I would rather just purchase something designed for what I want and will work the way I want without having to get "creative". Most of these new devices and tanks cater to the lung hitters anyways, so I can't say I'm too surprised that the airflow can't be adjusted to suit MTL vapers who prefer tighter draws. It's just that my old Egrip OLED could be made tighter and the new one doesn't appear to be able to do that.. at least not without 'customizing'.
If there is a simple fix I'll try it, but I just don't want it to be a hassle. I like my vaping to be simple and easy, same reason I don't mess with rebuildables too much except for my Kayfuns which are easy enough to build and rewick that I'm not bothered by it. Judging from the look of the AFC/coil base on the Egrip 2 and the AIO, they look almost the same so I will assume that it is just as airy as the AIO at the smallest setting. I suppose I can find an even smaller drip tip than the ones I have now. The smallest one I have now are the old Kayfun drip tips that are bullet shaped with only a tiny hole which I just took off an old tank and put on my AIO and it actually helped, but I would still prefer a tighter draw. I haven't lost hope for the Egrip 2 yet, but I will see what other options there are.
If there is a simple fix I'll try it, but I just don't want it to be a hassle. I like my vaping to be simple and easy, same reason I don't mess with rebuildables too much except for my Kayfuns which are easy enough to build and rewick that I'm not bothered by it. Judging from the look of the AFC/coil base on the Egrip 2 and the AIO, they look almost the same so I will assume that it is just as airy as the AIO at the smallest setting. I suppose I can find an even smaller drip tip than the ones I have now. The smallest one I have now are the old Kayfun drip tips that are bullet shaped with only a tiny hole which I just took off an old tank and put on my AIO and it actually helped, but I would still prefer a tighter draw. I haven't lost hope for the Egrip 2 yet, but I will see what other options there are.
I had problems with the CS & CL Egrips giving harsh & intermittently burnt hits as well and only liked their performance with the RBA. It wasn't until I realized that these stock coils needed more airflow through the coil to keep them from overheating & burning the e-juice inside them and I drilled a supplemental air intake hole in the coil base to supply that air they needed to prevent this (like the RBA had) that I found their performance more acceptable.
It is logical to assume that these TFTA coils may suffer the same issue (which is part of the reason I have shied away from them as there appears no way is available to increase flow through the coil itself due to the design). The introduction of Temperature control to the design by definition would serve to limit the coil temperature to prevent that juice from burning due to poor airflow however so the possibility exists in theory at least that these coils can be operated in this manner without the harsh and burnt hits being derived from the TFTA system. I am guessing here, but it seems logical.
This may make the TFTA system perform differently in Egrip II than it does in the AIO with your tight draw vaping style. Something to think about.
The Vapenw Management is truly less than accommodating from a customer service perspective. Never would have believed a business owner would risk losing a customer over dedication to steadfast rules that make absolutely no sense what-so-ever from a customer service/satisfaction perspective:
My message to them:
I have placed the following order for 2 silver Egrip II: Your Order #10020917
You are asked to ship 1) Silver Egrip II and one White Egrip II in fulfillment of this order when they are received.
I am fully aware my order may be delayed until you have stock on both colors and am fully prepared to accept this fact.
Thank you for your customer support and cooperation with this rather simple request.
Their Reply:
I do apologize, however I am unable to fulfill your request, I am very sorry
Thank you for your Support,
Paris
I had heard horror stories about their customer service from others in the past, but always had good experiences myself. I am just sitting here shaking my head wondering what they could possibly be thinking.
My message to them:
I have placed the following order for 2 silver Egrip II: Your Order #10020917
You are asked to ship 1) Silver Egrip II and one White Egrip II in fulfillment of this order when they are received.
I am fully aware my order may be delayed until you have stock on both colors and am fully prepared to accept this fact.
Thank you for your customer support and cooperation with this rather simple request.
Their Reply:
I do apologize, however I am unable to fulfill your request, I am very sorry
Thank you for your Support,
Paris
I had heard horror stories about their customer service from others in the past, but always had good experiences myself. I am just sitting here shaking my head wondering what they could possibly be thinking.
Well an explanation from them would be nice. Sorry, that sucks. I guess if you are willing to pay more, a couple more sites have them in stock now.
just fwiw mtl is best served at the coil. The cubis coils, (ie this devices setup) leaves me hard pressed to know without trying what it will be like. Transversely, you aren't sol, as you can use a tank of your liking with the 510 adapter. This said, perhaps different driptips will help but in general, use the 1.5 ohm coil this kit comes with first for your mtl experience.
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Was going to tell him to cancel the entire order today but got tied up with other things. Just got a shipping notice so looks like I waited too long. Paris must have shoved me to the top of the list so he would not have to continue the dialog. Showing as two silver shipped.
Still showing as pre-order on the site, but I can't add any to cart now.
(also got shipping notice on (4) DNA75w boards today)
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Thanks! I'll try to put one out this week. I usually post reviews on Reddit but I'll start posting them here too!
Awesome. I ordered mine from VapeSourcing and since it shipped from China, I have no clue of when I'll be receiving it. The China Post tracking number status has been frozen since thursday
They didn't have orange (nothing is orange these days!) So I chose red but put a note to ship whatever colour would come faster. It'll a surprise
Ugh, that's the worst! I hope it shows up for you today suddenlyAwesome. I ordered mine from VapeSourcing and since it shipped from China, I have no clue of when I'll be receiving it. The China Post tracking number status has been frozen since thursday
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