Eleaf GS Air Fan : Part 2

[Chemtx]

I have been saving my old coils. Whether out of laziness or fear of trying something new, I've held off doing my own coils. I have a wish list started with materials that I add to occasionally. I've paid attention to the tub bits dropped for educational purposes. I lack confidence.

Definitely notice when you burn cotton. Once it's burnt its burnt.

 

[Cheechako]

I have been saving my old coils. Whether out of laziness or fear of trying something new, I've held off doing my own coils. I have a wish list started with materials that I add to occasionally. I've paid attention to the tub bits dropped for educational purposes. I lack confidence.

Definitely notice when you burn cotton. Once it's burnt its burnt.

One day you'll throw your hat over the fence and give it a try...it's actually easy.
Have you ever recoiled any tank?

 

[Cheechako]

Who is that? Plant's cousin?

Weird Al Yankovic...this is where the weird comes from.

 

[LynnNC]

I didn't/don't like the GS tank on the 40W. Like you LVM, I have to set the temp at 520 degrees to get the vape I want. I use my mini nautilus instead and it's great at 390 degrees. So now I use my GS tank on the 30W or the 40W in Kanthal mode.

 

[Flowersoul]

Hi Gracie!
Welcome to the Airheads club.

LVM!!

 

[Jumpin' In...]

Just for a change... an ismoka/eleaf/joyetech question:

Background: A couple of months ago, the eleavable empire announced the "organic" cotton wicked 1.2 ohm single coil. Their websites dropped the dual coils, 1.5 ohm,
mystery meat wick and wrapper material, that we had been enjoying. Leaving aside the veracity of the "organic" claim (ho ho ho!) and the general habit of isticks, also ismoka/eleaf inventions, to read these coils at 1.3 ohms, they seem to produce vapor.

Question: Do you find any significant difference in vapor production, flavor, longevity or spirituality when using the newer coils?

I've tried a few. They are ok. I don't find them better than the dual coils regarding flavor. They seem to have a slightly airier draw. Based on a very small sample, they tend to get oversaturated a little more frequently.

What's your experience?

Haven't tried the 1.2 Ohm coils - won't be since I rebuild the 1.5s. However, I've been trying out my first TC coil - which I think is a vertical coil like the 1.2s - on a GS-Tank and it gurgles when the eliquid gets low.

Nice! Yep, I have a flip phone from 2005 and still going strong. It's all I need. No texting, no internet. Just good old fashioned, pick it up and talk and be done with it.
And yes, I agree and sorry I didn't mention that I didn't try those new coils either, but I am very happy with the recoils also.

Lol. I'm still using one of those practically indestructible Casio G'zOne flip phones too. Resisted texting for years because I just couldn't see paying $10/month when texting uses so little bandwidth. A few months ago my provider offered me a cheaper plan with the same minutes but with unlimited texting, so I figured "Why not?" Now I'm finding that for some things texting is so convenient that we're thinking of getting IPhones. Don't really need net connectivity when I'm out and about, but the keyboard would help speed the texting.

From what I've seen on one vendor's website and on the eleafus website is that the dual coil 1.5 will now be made with cotton vice the mystery material.

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As someone who made a similar transition with nautilus coils, I'm not too happy about it.

The older material (in both coil's cases) lasted a long time and was difficult to scorch/burn.

I have found that cotton burns easily. It's like a viscous cycle, cotton singes a little -> reduced wicking ability -> singes more -> reduced wicking ability even more -> singes even more -> etc.

I am hoping TC solves the problem of using cotton for wicking material.

I also do not think cotton wicks taste better.

Gotta disagree with you there. I hate the taste of silica wicks - so much so that I don't even use the 1.5 Ohm coils before rebuilding them with cotton wicks. If they were cotton, at least I could use them before tearing them apart.

Good thinking! The M is my favorite among the four. Bit of a nuisance to fill, unless you have thin filler caps or needle tip bottles, but trouble free and a fine vape.
The GS-Tank looks a little more polished, is easy to fill, but holds less juice. I use both, and the original Air, happily.

I used to transfer juices to thin-tipped plastic bottles before filling my GS-MSs. I got lazy one day and tried using a bottle dropper and found that it worked just fine. Now I don't bother transferring juice. YMMV, I guess - I've been vaping Ahlusion almost exclusively lately; their bottle droppers have fairly thin tips.

I find myself using the temp control feature at 500 degrees to get the same draw and taste I'm use too from regular coils. I also think it's on the warm side and the gs tank has a really tight draw. I prefer a bit more airy. I changed out drip tips to cool things down and that helped. Once the nickel coil breaks in though it improves and I will say lasts a bit. Also I lock my coil readings. But does not appear to unlock if you change coils out. So the process bears repeating. Careful using the nickel in wattage mode by accident. Nothing good happens believe me

I just got a GS-Tank yesterday and was surprised to find that the draw seemed a bit tighter than that of my GS-Ms. Guess it's not just my imagination. Not happy with the gurgling on my TS coil, but I've been happy with the vapor production and flavor at 430F or so. Still playing, though, and the solid 510 pin is nice.

Edit: Just tried upping TC to 490F, and the vape is flavorful, but HOT. Guess I'll try a stainless tip...

 

[Cirus]

Just for a change... an ismoka/eleaf/joyetech question:

Background: A couple of months ago, the eleavable empire announced the "organic" cotton wicked 1.2 ohm single coil. Their websites dropped the dual coils, 1.5 ohm,
mystery meat wick and wrapper material, that we had been enjoying. Leaving aside the veracity of the "organic" claim (ho ho ho!) and the general habit of isticks, also ismoka/eleaf inventions, to read these coils at 1.3 ohms, they seem to produce vapor.

Question: Do you find any significant difference in vapor production, flavor, longevity or spirituality when using the newer coils?

I've tried a few. They are ok. I don't find them better than the dual coils regarding flavor. They seem to have a slightly airier draw. Based on a very small sample, they tend to get oversaturated a little more frequently.

What's your experience?

Only going on my third day on my first 1.2 so I can't speak on longevity. The first half day wasn't good. Very little taste, but I had read here that they take a while to kick in. They eventually did. After that, I think the taste is a little better than the 1.5's but then again I'm a cotton guy so that's probably why. I was concerned about gurgling down south here in the heat but so far it's been better than many of the 1.5's I've had recently. If all this continues and they last me two weeks, my only issue is how long they take to start tasting good. Oh, and I haven't noticed they're hotter, but again, I like hotter so maybe that's why I haven't noticed?

 

[Chemtx]

Just got home after dinner out with the kids and a couple of beers. Never was a beer drinker in the early days but later in life, I've acquired a taste with the abundance of craft beers these days. Yes I think I'll have one more this evening.

One day you'll throw your hat over the fence and give it a try...it's actually easy.
Have you ever recoiled any tank?

I have never re-coiled anything but I have your videos booked-marked. I was just thinking today, because I received my FT order, that it would be more cost effective if I started taking care of this myself. That and the disappointment of a bad coil wouldn't be such a big deal. Don't you hate it when you open a new pack and two out of three are not all that great. That's approximately four bucks down the drain.

and Yes, the new GS Tank even after replacing the TC coil has a very tight draw. When you look at the size of the coils as compared to other TC type tanks out there, they are teeny tiny.

 

[Jumpin' In...]

Just got home after dinner out with the kids and a couple of beers. Never was a beer drinker in the early days but later in life, I've acquired a taste with the abundance of craft beers these days. Yes I think I'll have one more this evening.



I have never re-coiled anything but I have your videos booked-marked. I was just thinking today, because I received my FT order, that it would be more cost effective if I started taking care of this myself. That and the disappointment of a bad coil wouldn't be such a big deal. Don't you hate it when you open a new pack and two out of three are not all that great. That's approximately four bucks down the drain.

and Yes, the new GS Tank even after replacing the TC coil has a very tight draw. When you look at the size of the coils as compared to other TC type tanks out there, they are teeny tiny.

Yeah, rebuilding is the way to go, IMO. Want to try 29 ga. kanthal next.

Heh. Maybe it is the small diameter of the TC coil rather than the airhole in the positive pin that further restricts the airflow. Never thought of that. Makes sense. Couldn't understand why it would be tighter than the 1.5s.

 

[JoeyC]

Fired up my toyota today but I have to take the timing cover off because the water pump has a small leak. I hate internal water pumps It fired up and ran pretty good though

 

[LynnNC]

I knew you could do it!

 

[JoeyC]

I knew you could do it!

I was pretty happy with the result even though I have another 4 hours of work on it now. Cost is under $300 to replace the head gasket, timing belt, water pump, timing tensioner and idler pulley's and have the head mill because it was warped.

I need to rebuild some coils if I can find the time. I have 2 stock coils left

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

lack confidence.

Definitely notice when you burn cotton. Once it's burnt its burnt.

Yeah but you have a VID showing you exactly how it's done. THERE'S your safety net.

The other night eedeeit me ran a Turbo Evod down Way too low. Dry. Then a good dry nasty Rayon hit.

Filled the tank only half full just in case and it was fine first hit.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl-I have one word for you, Rayon.

 

[Skullman]

Hey All, LostVapeMonster & Lynn: I'm finding with TC Coils that a Big Variable is the ratio of PG to VG at different temps. I have much better luck across the board with Higher VG Juice. The thinner higher PG juice reacts differently a lot of time to hot burning lips and loss of taste. Setting Temps lower seem to help but sometimes a different tank especially with your own built coils work much better!

I Rotate my 4 GS-Tanks among Various Mods not just the iStick 40 TC. All my higher VG 75% or higher seem to work best in the GS-Tanks from 450 to 510 degrees. Were as getting closer to 50% PG Temps must come down below 450 degrees or loss of flavor or slight burnt taste and Possible Burnt Lips.

In my playing with TC like I said Higher VG seems more stable across the board. But there just isn't One Tank or One Coil that will meet the needs of all your juice! This is why I'm still searching for the Best TC Tanks. A New Tank I have been playing with is the KS RTA SS by Tobeco beside Looking Awesome on the iStick 40 TC trying Coils of my own design seem to work much better then any Stock OEM Coils!

Though Non TC the Pre-Built Clapton Coils you can get over at Vapor Joes by the Foot Work Pretty Darn Good with the Thinner Higher PG Juice along with the Rayon that Cheechako got us all started on! I've been experimenting with Ni200 Nickel Non Resistance wire set up like the Clapton with some decent results just not that easy to build.

These are My Results Just My 13 Cents Worth!
Skully {:{}

 

[Skullman]

Just an update to previous post: Been Building Twisted and Modified Clapton Coils Tonight and Have found that they really seem to work better on Higher PG Juices! Great Flavor as well as Great Vapor!

Also tried the Nickel/Kanthal Build to TC. Been reading about this and seen a few videos so thought I would give it a try, It Works! Path of Least Resistance! Don't seem to get the Same Temps as Straight Nickel but not far off to adjust for difference! The one thing really good about it is that it a lot easier to handle with less breakage! Along with the Rayon 'Thanks Cheechako' seems to be a decent alternative as long as you know what you have and adjust for it!

I'm going to order up some Tempered Ni200 Pure Nickel Wire to do Straight 100% Nickel Twisted TC Builds. It's a lot easier to Handle. I can see where these Twisted Kanthal Builds can come in handy with other Non TC Tanks I have!

Again Just My 13 Cents Worth
Skully {:{}

 

[LynnNC]

Skully, I can't vape anything over 60% VG. When I do, I have to use my inhaler because my chest tightens so bad I feel like I can't move enough air in and out. I'll just continue to use my mini nautilus with nickel coils on the 40W TC and my STMini on the eVic. With the SubTank I can either use the RBA or some coil heads that I rebuilt. Thanks for the suggestions though! You're awesome!!

 

[Mario06]

Can someone kindly post a more up to date (noob) guide on rebuilding the coil please (no offense meant to the original guide). I'm not a noob but I'm having serious problems. I'm building my coil with the diameter of 1.5mm from 1.2-1.8 ohms using the Japanese cotton. I was able to rebuild it twice using the above mentioned method and I was getting an excellent vape but from the third on I always get a slight burnt taste.

Have a good Sunday PeePs

 

[LostVapeMonster]

Good morning Airheads.
Woke up with another wicked headache.
Gonna finish painting the bedroom today, once the coffee kicks in.

 

[Skullman]

~ Good Morning Lynn! I saw your earlier post and LostVapeMonsters and thought I should share. I get it about sensitivity to VG and PG! That's Not Good Having to Hit the inhaler! Sorry to Hear that!

I did find something out earlier that may be of help. I've been playing with different Coil Builds since last night. Twisted Wrapped Coils can be of help with the Thinner Juice 'Higher PG'! A Variation of the Clapton Coil using two Nickel Ni200 Wire then Wrapping them with Kanthal makes a slightly Flattened Coil and Works like Cotton or Rayon "Thanks Cheechako" wicking up the Juice! The first one I built last night soaked up 6 Drops of a 50VG/50PG Blend! 6 Drops! That was Naked, No Cotton or Rayon! It was amazing. This gives the The Coil Way Better Flavor and a Real Nice Vape holding all that Juice! Even in TC Mode she never got too Hot at 40 Watts at 430 to 490 Degrees. This particular Build gives a Nice Warm Vape not over powering.

I'm still in the Playing Mode but so far looks Very Promising! I had worked with Twisted Coils a while back but that was before TC and Tanks were very Different then. I think something like this just may help you and others not getting satisfactory vaping experience with they're TC Tanks and Mods. I pulled out some more RBA's to try on more of my TC Tanks. I want to see if there is a consistency to the build!

While I was digging around I found some UD Twisted and Clapton Wire I purchased a month or three ago in a sale at a B&M. I'm going to try them out too! I haven't been completely happy with some of the TC Tanks with thinner juices!

Skully {:{}

Skully, I can't vape anything over 60% VG. When I do, I have to use my inhaler because my chest tightens so bad I feel like I can't move enough air in and out. I'll just continue to use my mini nautilus with nickel coils on the 40W TC and my STMini on the eVic. With the SubTank I can either use the RBA or some coil heads that I rebuilt. Thanks for the suggestions though! You're awesome!!

 

[LynnNC]

LVM, I feel your pain! Yesterday I woke up with a migraine. That's the 2nd one this week! Normally, I have 1 every 10 years.