Electronic Cigarettes vs Personal Vaporizers

[Superbals]

Maybe its just me but i really feel like if these had been marketed from the begining as PV's instead of using the word "cigarette" would have given this whole market a lot less problems with the FDA and big tobacco and such. Granted they probably wouldn't be as popular as they are now but we'd probably get a lot less grief about them....You guys agree with me??

 

[hgfloyd]

That is what I call it when I explain to people what I am doing. Most reactions I receive are better with the vaporizer vs cigarette. I think it is too late for any changes as far as the FDA is conerend - that horse has left the barn. Just have to wait and see what they are going to do for regulations. I am sure it will be painful at some point unless there is a huge rally from Majufacturers and deep pocket supporters.

 

[Superbals]

Granted its too late for changes but i just hate thinking so much of the drama about them may have been avoided just because of what its called

 

[shanagan]

Or, you can look at it another way - by calling it an e-cig, we are recognizing that this is not a drug delivery device, but an alternative to smoking traditional cigarettes.

 

[Superbals]

I guess but in a way its both...an alternative smoking and a drug delivery device...Since im told nicotine has almost the same effet on the body as caffine

 

[shanagan]

I guess but in a way its both...an alternative smoking and a drug delivery device...Since im told nicotine has almost the same effet on the body as caffine

But an important thing to keep in mind is that the FDA wants these regulated as drug delivery devices, so that they can regulate them under the FDCA - food, drug and cosmetic act - instead of having them regulated in the same way that other tobacco products are regulated. If the FDA gets these under the FDCA, we can expect a very long row to hoe ahead of us.

To my mind, they are a tobacco product intended for adult users - but a reduced harm alternative to the analog cigarettes I used to smoke.

 

[Kevin Freeheart]

Or, you can look at it another way - by calling it an e-cig, we are recognizing that this is not a drug delivery device, but an alternative to smoking traditional cigarettes.

I generally don't give a damn what the government calls it. They call things today "crimes" that are not: In New Hampshire, it's a misdemeanor to put ANYTHING in a milk jug that isn't milk. It's one of the few "crimes" that also do NOT allow a cop to use discretion. It's never enforced, but it just goes to show that what they call things can and is... absolutely stupid.

Personal vaporizers, e-cigarettes... whatever you call them. They ARE drug delivery devices. So are analogs. So is the can that holds Red Bull.

I personally don't think the regulation battle will be won over nitpicking over terms. It can only be won with a little bit of "yes, I chose to use a drug. My drug use, like your Starbucks, is my choice over my body" by everybody who uses a drug.

That said, I call what I have "a vape" or a "a personal vaporizer". I have to add the "personal" on there in my daily use so my pot smoking friends don't get confused and excited. I sometimes use "e-cig" if someone brings it up first, but I don't like to compare it to smoking. I like to give people a new baseline and build up to a positive connotation rather than start with smoking and remove the negative.

 

[Superbals]

You both make excellent points

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

Call it what you will, it wasn't going to escape the FDAs notice for long given the presence of nicotine in ejuice. However, it's possible that the perception of the guy on the street would have been formed more favorably had they confronted the term vaporizer to begin with, as opposed to any variation of the term cigarette.

I suppose the industry thought it helpful to associate them with cigarettes in the beginning, but we're paying the price now.

I wonder how much trouble it would be for ECF to change their acronym & banner to PVF?

 

[BuzzKill]

I dont know about you but I have an " Aroma Therapy Device " !~


Cig being attached was needed otherwise NONE of us would have known what they were !

 

[shanagan]

I dont know about you but I have an " Aroma Therapy Device " !~


Cig being attached was needed otherwise NONE of us would have known what they were !

LOL, done and done, this is my term, starting today!

 

[Superbals]

hahaha i like that too!

 

[pedromj]

I guess but in a way its both...an alternative smoking and a drug delivery device...Since im told nicotine has almost the same effet on the body as caffine

Be careful, I do now know about caffeine but nicotine is a poison, and very harmful poison in certain dosages.

About PV vs e-cig naming, I use to answer "electronic cigarette" to sporadic curious who ask me "what is it?" but I personally call PV to my devices because I do not find enough similarities with burning cigarettes. What I call "e-cig" is to those super-mini devices, which are much more similar to burning cigarettes than my Tornado PV or many other mods I've seen.

From another point of view I think we need to differentiate PVs from simple e-cigs. On the one hand, I assume that e-cigs are for those who want quit smoking gradually while reducing the hurt to their body, so need a "thing" as similar as possible to their current smoking habit. On the other hand, I assume that PVs are another different device for those who want something different or want continue with serious "vaping" and occasionally will finish with 0 nic juices.

Edit: Aroma Therapy Device (AT or ATD) is another cool name

 

[merlin440]

I think PV is definatly a better term, the problem though is the main market for this is in the smokers market. If it was called a PV I'm unsure I would have tried it, at last as soon as I did, maybe later..

It also drives me nuts that if you look at the FDA stuff, they are trying to classify it as a drug delivery system for quitting smoking. Although technically that is true, since you stop smoking and start vaping I really wish they would view vaping on it's own. Most non-smokers look at me and say great, when you gonna quit that? I honestly have no intention of quiting vaping
enjoy on it's own.

Also when asked I never call it an e-cig simply because I truely believe many peoples ears close and they don't hear the "E"...

 

[shanagan]

Be careful, I do now know about caffeine but nicotine is a poison, and very harmful poison in certain dosages.

About PV vs e-cig naming, I use to answer "electronic cigarette" to sporadic curious who ask me "what is it?" but I personally call PV to my devices because I do not find enough similarities with burning cigarettes. What I call "e-cig" is to those super-mini devices, which are much more similar to burning cigarettes than my Tornado PV or many other mods I've seen.

From another point of view I think we need to differentiate PVs from simple e-cigs. On the one hand, I assume that e-cigs are for those who want quit smoking gradually while reducing the hurt to their body, so need a "thing" as similar as possible to their current smoking habit. On the other hand, I assume that PVs are another different device for those who want something different or want continue with serious "vaping" and occasionally will finish with 0 nic juices.

Edit: Aroma Therapy Device (AT or ATD) is another cool name

FWIW, caffeine is a "poison" as well.

 

[xg4bx]

Unfortunately the term vaporizer and vaper have been co-opted by fans of a certain green substance.

 

[Superbals]

Unfortunately the term vaporizer and vaper have been co-opted by fans of a certain green substance.

Oddly enough before today i never realized that....lol

 

[Superbals]

I think PV is definatly a better term, the problem though is the main market for this is in the smokers market. If it was called a PV I'm unsure I would have tried it, at last as soon as I did, maybe later..

It also drives me nuts that if you look at the FDA stuff, they are trying to classify it as a drug delivery system for quitting smoking. Although technically that is true, since you stop smoking and start vaping I really wish they would view vaping on it's own. Most non-smokers look at me and say great, when you gonna quit that? I honestly have no intention of quiting vaping
enjoy on it's own.

Also when asked I never call it an e-cig simply because I truely believe many peoples ears close and they don't hear the "E"...

I've been calling it by "electronic ciggarette" when smokers ask me what it is. Haven't had any nonsmokers that i know ask me what it is yet....not sure how i'll respond....

 

[xg4bx]

It is what it is, an electronic cigarette. There's no use beating around the bush. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

It is what it is, an electronic cigarette. There's no use beating around the bush. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

In point of fact, the term electronic cigarette would be a misnomer if applied to my Silver Bullet, which contains no electronics of any kind. Even the type that employs an LED and the circuitry to make them flash when the battery expires are electronic only to that degree; electronics have nothing to do with powering the atomizer or producing vapor.