True, wasn't it Katherine Heigl who vaped publicly, though? I don't mind asking her to help. I do have a way with tall athletic blondes. We don't have much to lose.
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True, wasn't it Katherine Heigl who vaped publicly, though? I don't mind asking her to help. I do have a way with tall athletic blondes. We don't have much to lose.
They are using that argument quite frequently. Of course, the flavored cigarette market was so tiny that tobacco companies were willing to give it up and consumers really didn't care - as long as they didn't touch one popular and best-selling flavor - menthol. Notice how that one didn't get banned?
With e-cigarettes, flavors are a huge factor. It is also hard to "ban flavors" when ALL e-cigarettes are flavored. Nicotine and PG/VG are flavorless. So, even tobacco/menthol e-cigarettes are "flavored." E-cigarettes also have a very active community that cigarettes don't have. Most smokers are self-loathing and bought into the lie that flavored cigarettes targeted children (due to the ANTZ efforts) and would feel ridiculous "fighting" for them. Smoking advocates are considered at nest nuts and at worst, evil, uncaring murderers who want to kill babies with their smoke.E-cigarette users don't want to lose their flavors and will fight for them and can give reasons for flavors that are hard to vilify. As with flavored cigarettes, there is absolutely no evidence that e-cigarette flavors "target children," anymore than flavored nicotine gums and lozenges (cherry, orange, fruit chill, mint, cinnamon, java) targets children. How can they claim adults don't want flavors when the drug companies couldn't sell their NRT without adding tasty flavors kids love? Other arguments e-cigarettes have for flavors is that 1) tobacco/menthol e-cigarettes don't really taste like smoking - it's more like the flavor of chew, which most smokers aren't accustomed to; and 2) for people trying to get AWAY from smoking, they want flavors that do NOT remind them of smoking, so they aren't tempted to go back to the real thing. If you want real milk chocolate, but cannot have it, eating a carob bar could just make you crave the real thing even more.
So, there are a LOT of reasonable arguments for e-cigarettes flavors that simply didn't apply to flavored cigarettes.
I was just reading they're going after menthol cigarettes again.
Yeah, with "tobacco flavored" ecigs being anywhere from tasting like coffee to tobacco that would be difficult to define. I can imagine some ANTZ at the FDA having to taste nicotine liquids to approve or deny them.
Ooo but they couldn't! You know if you come within five miles of an e-liquid, you become addicted to seventeen different street drugs!
It doesn't matter about nicotine pesticides.
The fact that I have quarts of pesticides in other classifications that can kill anyone that are protected only by a childproof cap makes any move to do away with nicotine e-liquids sold in tiny bottles protected by childproof caps hard to justify in court.
I have pills in quantities that can kill with the option to not use a childproof cap.
Cleaners that can kill, childproof cap.
All of these are sold in large quantities.
Has there been any deaths from ingesting bottles of e-liquids in the minimum 5 years they've been in the US? No, because you would barf if you could manage to get them down. So where is the justification on requiring 1ml prefilled carts protected by cellophane?
I just don't see finding a judge that would uphold such a thing if it was challenged.
I think this kind of thing is the hold up for the FDA releasing their rules. They want to go all out but they know they can't so they're trying to figure out how far they can push and get away with without anyone challenging their rules. They know they're going to have to boil this frog slowly too, and they probably fear a slow first move will make for a rational law and they won't get to go further (like the ANTZ fear with minor bans).
What?! No love for the Sheener?!!! How about taking a vote on that?
Lol.
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I sent her a message. We will see if she gets it.
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You just want to invite her to be the Queen of all ProVarinati
. The Ocelot won't be happy about that. At all.
Charlie Sheen is the man! He may be crazy at times but can pull it together when he needs to.
Anyone watch his Comedy Central Roast? he came out looking better than any of the people that roasted him, the man is very smart and has a fine mind when he's not off in la la land...
Anyone watch his Comedy Central Roast? he came out looking better than any of the people that roasted him, the man is very smart and has a fine mind when he's not off in la la land...
I met a guy in a bar the other day who sells e-cigs and supplies. My friend smoked something that rhymes with 'seed' with the guy - I don't do that, hate the stuff - and he told us he has e-cig tech batteries and a high burning vaporizer they made that vaporizes the ... in the stuff that sounds like 'seed' and leaves all the tar and other stuff behind. Don't know if he was bs'ing and showing off or not, but he seemed to be pretty sure. He's from Denmark and says the tech is made there.
If this post is against the TOS, I apologize and please delete it (but don't ban me...)
Please don't get Sheen involved. This would be like getting Kardashian.
Like was said previously, we need someone a little more respectable to be respected.
Im not knocking sheen for what he does and how he can "pull it together when necessary", it takes MAD skills.
But the key here is to BE respected to crossover to non-vapors and people not sympathetic to the cause from my point of view at least.
I would cringe seeing Sheen on a PSA plea. I think it would immediately turn off a lot of close-minded people which seem to be who you need get to open up to further grow the cause.
Heigl on the other hand....
Like was said previously, we need someone a little more respectable to be respected.
Im not knocking sheen for what he does and how he can "pull it together when necessary", it takes MAD skills.
But the key here is to BE respected to crossover to non-vapors and people not sympathetic to the cause from my point of view at least.
I would cringe seeing Sheen on a PSA plea. I think it would immediately turn off a lot of close-minded people which seem to be who you need get to open up to further grow the cause.
Heigl on the other hand....
If she's changed her mind since I spoke with "her people," let me know! I was told she already has her own animal charity she runs with her mother and wasn't interested in helping CASAA. Too much on her plate, I guess. That's understandable.
How did you guys even get a response?
I've tried contacting a few celebrities that vape and never got any response.
Not that this surprised me.
What doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, is that if I prepare a sandwich in my kitchen and sell it on the street, I would have to have a certificate from my local health department, yet I can prepare a liquid, which contains nicotine, which people vaporize and inhale and sell it on the internet, with no form of regulation whatsoever.
Regulation shouldn't be all or nothing.
Technically they are supposed to have that certification. Problem is it's a very big country.
It could be because I was calling as vice president of a national, non-profit organization maybe? She's the only one I personally thought was worth seriously contacting because of her more "wholesome" image. Smoking celebs seem to mostly be "bad boys" (Sheen, Love, etc) or just way too unreachable (Depp, Dicaprio.)
On a positive note, one of the Deadliest Catch captains was vaping on the show last week. Of course, Elliott is also one of the more polarizing captains. People either love him or hate him, lol!
But whether celebs become official advocates or not, just being seen and photographed using e-cigs makes them unwitting, yet extremely effective, ambassadors for our cause.
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It could be because I was calling as vice president of a national, non-profit organization maybe? She's the only one I personally thought was worth seriously contacting because of her more "wholesome" image. Smoking celebs seem to mostly be "bad boys" (Sheen, Love, etc) or just way too unreachable (Depp, Dicaprio.)
On a positive note, one of the Deadliest Catch captains was vaping on the show last week. Of course, Elliott is also one of the more polarizing captains. People either love him or hate him, lol!
But whether celebs become official advocates or not, just being seen and photographed using e-cigs makes them unwitting, yet extremely effective, ambassadors for our cause.
Yeah, why couldn't it have been Sig?
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Josh Harris of Deadliest Catch was/is a spokesperson for InLife electronic cigarettes...
Josh Harris, Son of Captain Phil Harris, Joins the inLife Team to Help Bring Awareness to the Benefits of the Electronic Cigarette
The one that gets me is Keith's little daughter begging him to quit smoke-free tobacco in 2010, but he was still using it the 2012 season. He gets so stressed over it and ST isn't anywhere near as bad as all of the smoking on those boats. I feel bad for him because he feels so guilty when he uses ST and he shouldn't have to feel that way! He just ends up making himself more stressed - which is probably far worse for his health than the ST would be! Ironically, if more of the guys would switch to ST, they'd be better off. (E-cigarettes are impractical on deck - especially since they only seem to use the "blu" styles when they get them. Those would never last the harsh conditions, dozens of batteries would die during 18 hour shifts and weak vapor is useless in windy conditions.)
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