Email I got from my manager

[retired1]

anti smoking zealots trying to lump vaping in with smoking are ......

Which has nothing to do with this thread.

 

[Vault]

The solution to every vape restriction, sealth vape in the bathroom. Works everywhere, every time.

Very naughty of me but I once smoked (proper tobacco roll-up) on an International flight between the UK and South Africa ( I won`t mention the airline )
I went to the loo/bog/head/john and rolled a ciggie then stuck my head over the bowl and lit up. Every drag I flushed the system so the downdraft took the smoke away from the overhead smoke alarm.
15 flushes later I was happy

Heres a thought.. and I do apologise to the OP and might start a new thread... If you vape in the loo/john/head/bog would the vapour set off the alarm? .........

 

[Hangman0417]

^^hahahahahahaha "15 flushes later I was happy" hahaha

*whew*

I can see both sides of this fence, but I do agree. If your manager tells you that you can't wear sneakers to work, are you going to get fired over fighting it? No, you're going to find a different shoe to wear to work that is deemed acceptable. You're at a workplace to follow a BS set of rules, and get paid a (generally speaking) BS wage to do BS work.

 

[eratikmind]

The OP's manager's e-mail is to the point and well written. Upon receiving it, I would comply and have no issues.

- Andy

 

[wv2win]

If they do regulate it as a medical device, it will be allowed almost anywhere without recourse from employers / business owners as they would face multiple lawsuits. Even if people are fighting for declassification that doesn't have a medical device use, employers and businesses can still ban the use on it's property for whatever reason they come up with.

You are pretty much fighting between a rock n hard place here.

You are right. It was estimated that the FDA would require a minimum of 10 years of long term studies and would ban them at least that long. Now if they can keep things way they are and study them at the same time, that would be great. But the FDA is not interested in vaping ever being considered a "stop smoking" alternative, unfortunately.

 

[wv2win]

i quit analogs recently so i guess i still see myself as a smoker. why should vapers get more privileges when all you have done is changed the device you get the fix for your habit from? are you entitled to a reward because you found a safer carrier to get your fix from?

They should get the same "privileges" as those using any other nicotine replacement product, like a nicotine inhaler that is breathed in and then back out.

 

[wv2win]

Yes, a lot of non smokers appreciate it, but you shouldn't get any special privileges though, because you chose a lesser of two evils.

Poor example. One is an "evil" in that it harms others. One isn't because it harms no one. Read the studies and those who have decades in the fight to stop smoking and see no problem or harm in vaping.

 

[wv2win]

Well, I do see it as unprofessional and entitled. Regardless of whether or not he disagrees with the policies as laid out by the manager, he is there to do a JOB. Not to argue about his personal vaping "rights." We live in the real world, and some things are not "fair." Stating that his manger should "GROW A PAIR" because she is enforcing a rule is rude, the attitude is unprofessional and ENTITLED. He wants to disobey the rules or whine, get out of the military, get another job or find a place in the unemployment line.

And, before you start jumping on me about nicotine being safe, we are not discussing the safety of vaping. We are discussing whether or not his MANAGER has the right to impose a rule and have it followed by an employee. He needs to suck it up and get over it. Workplace rules are different the public rules and laws.

AS I already stated, they have a right to make whatever rule they want and you as the employee needs to follow them, not make a scene and do the job. But someone who believes it is unprofessional to provide your manager additional information on an activity that could save many employees lives, is someone who has their nose so far up the bosses backside, they never see the light of day.

 

[phishinNYC]

had a similar experience

 

[txredxj]

Poor example. One is an "evil" in that it harms others. One isn't because it harms no one. Read the studies and those who have decades in the fight to stop smoking and see no problem or harm in vaping.

thats out of context. the evil being dependency on nicotine and ecigs being better than analogs.

 

[wv2win]

thats out of context. the evil being dependency on nicotine and ecigs being better than analogs.

Then you have to agree that it is "evil" to be dependent on caffeine as so many are, also. There is nothing "evil" about using nicotine in a safe manner.

 

[txredxj]

They should get the same "privileges" as those using any other nicotine replacement product, like a nicotine inhaler that is breathed in and then back out.

ecigs are just a replacement and not classed as a quitting aide. i dont know how inhalers are received so i cant comment on that

 

[txredxj]

i think vaping is something to do discreetly like when i smoked analogs. you dont have to spit a mist of coffee or soda to enjoy it.

 

[jerzi]

Poor example. One is an "evil" in that it harms others. One isn't because it harms no one. Read the studies and those who have decades in the fight to stop smoking and see no problem or harm in vaping.

It's a good example. Nicotine has been linked to neurological dangers, people can suffer from an severe allergic reaction to PG and there is still exposure to toxins with the use of ecigs. This data refutes any claim that vaping is unharmful.

 

[tricci]

Very naughty of me but I once smoked (proper tobacco roll-up) on an International flight between the UK and South Africa ( I won`t mention the airline )
I went to the loo/bog/head/john and rolled a ciggie then stuck my head over the bowl and lit up. Every drag I flushed the system so the downdraft took the smoke away from the overhead smoke alarm.
15 flushes later I was happy

Heres a thought.. and I do apologise to the OP and might start a new thread... If you vape in the loo/john/head/bog would the vapour set off the alarm? .........

Well done, that takes all kinds of talent and quite a bit of daring, the force is strong with you! 99.9% of the time you can vape unnoticed in the bathroom (I've done it eveywhere except the bathroom on a plane) but an airplane bathroom may be th3 one exception, but I don't know for sure. However plenty of vapers have stealth vaped right in thier seat without any problems. 8f you're flying on Ryanair they sell disposable ecigs on the plane, God bles Ryanair!

 

[stevegmu]

Someone will always be bothered by something. There was a case a while ago about someone at a city office being allergic to fragrances. After her court case, no one in the office was allowed to wear cologne, aftershave, deodorant or perfume. Good luck getting e-cigs approved in places smoking is not. As it is, I'm just happy I quit smoking. I never smoked in my house- hated the smell of cigarettes, but can freely vape inside now, and my car is so much cleaner now. I am sure there will be bans on vaping in restaurants, bars, malls- basically any public place. All it takes is one lawsuit. I have no problem not vaping in areas where smoking is prohibited. It is what it is.

 

[tricci]

Someone will always be bothered by something. There was a case a while ago about someone at a city office being allergic to fragrances. After her court case, no one in the office was allowed to wear cologne, aftershave, deodorant or perfume. Good luck getting e-cigs approved in places smoking is not. As it is, I'm just happy I quit smoking. I never smoked in my house- hated the smell of cigarettes, but can freely vape inside now, and my car is so much cleaner now. I am sure there will be bans on vaping in restaurants, bars, malls- basically any public place. All it takes is one lawsuit. I have no problem not vaping in areas where smoking is prohibited. It is what it is.

Always remember, the bathroom is your vaping hideout.

 

[jerzi]

Someone will always be bothered by something. There was a case a while ago about someone at a city office being allergic to fragrances. After her court case, no one in the office was allowed to wear cologne, aftershave, deodorant or perfume. Good luck getting e-cigs approved in places smoking is not. As it is, I'm just happy I quit smoking. I never smoked in my house- hated the smell of cigarettes, but can freely vape inside now, and my car is so much cleaner now. I am sure there will be bans on vaping in restaurants, bars, malls- basically any public place. All it takes is one lawsuit. I have no problem not vaping in areas where smoking is prohibited. It is what it is.

Yes, a lot of workplaces are like this. You can still wear deodorant and products, but they have to be fragrance free.

 

[wv2win]

ecigs are just a replacement and not classed as a quitting aide. i dont know how inhalers are received so i cant comment on that

How they are "classed" is nothing more than semantics. We all know vaping is a stop smoking aid, just as patches, gum, etc are. Just much more effective at doing it.

 

[tj99959]

It's a good example. Nicotine has been linked to neurological dangers, people can suffer from an severe allergic reaction to PG and there is still exposure to toxins with the use of ecigs. This data refutes any claim that vaping is unharmful.

Actually nicotine is linked to neurological development. You might find it interesting that you got your first dose of nicotine from that first bottle of Gerbers that mommy fed you.