Email I got from my manager

[tj99959]

"Third hand" is what is on your clothing, and the walls around you.

BTW, this PUBLISHED study shows NO nicotine (zero) in second hand vapor.
http://clearstream.flavourart.it/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CSA_Poster.pdf

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

1st hand is directly from PV into our body. 2nd hand vapor is the exhaled vapor. 3rd hand vapor is the residual left over long after the 2nd hand vapor has dissipated- settles on furniture, walls, etc.

 

[tcgenius]

Here is another interesting study I found online about nicotine oxidation

Volatility of Nicotine1,2 - Industrial & Engineering Chemistry (ACS Publications)

Update: Sorry, that was the wrong site. I need to find it again and I will repost it. My apologies!

 

[scabbytattoo]

Completely agree , things might smell good to you but might not be enjoyable for others.

There is another Kumbaya type of approach among some vapers that the vape is completely harmless which might or might not be true.
To date there is 0 regulation of what can be put in your juice and based on a recent experience I found out that even the juice
providers have no clue what's in it .

I do NOT vape in closed public spaces without asking permission, NEVER vape when kids are around as in the car with me or even same room and definitely don't blow my vapor on people around me .

My dog HATES the vape so that's a good indicator that the PG or VG or Nic or some other ingredients bothers her.

My dog hates it when I fart doesnt mean I'm going to stop anytime I'm in public or in a car with people.

 

[zoiDman]

My dog hates it when I fart doesnt mean I'm going to stop anytime I'm in public or in a car with people.

Remind me to Never Car Pool with you Unless Absolutely Necessary.

LOL

 

[scabbytattoo]

Lmao right I'll put the window lock on and all that! Sorry I was trying to make a point to this person that dictates something is bad cuz her dog seems to not like it. I just thought that was the most convoluted way of thinking I've ever heard.

 

[zoiDman]

Lmao right I'll put the window lock on and all that! Sorry I was trying to make a point to this person that dictates something is bad cuz her dog seems to not like it. I just thought that was the most convoluted way of thinking I've ever heard.

I know you were.

I just read things and Crazy Situations pop into my head.

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I personally think this thread, and the Hundreds like it I have read over the Years are kind of a Testimonial of the Age we live in.

An age where if Someone can be Seen Inhaling Something and then Seen Exhaling Something, that People are going to be Upset.

I won't argue the Right or Wrong of it. That has been done Ad Nauseum. And I won't get into the Comparisons because I don't think Comparisons are Applicable.

In Todays World, If they can see you Exhale something, be prepared for someone to Tell You that you Can't Do It Here.

And if it happens to be in your Workplace I would suggest you do One of Two things.

Abide by what they tell you and pick up your Pay-Check on Friday.

or

Quit your Job and look for a Job where you can Exhale something and they Don't Care.


There just doesn't seem like there is much Middle Ground. Because if you Don't do the First, sooner or Later you will be doing the Second. Only the time of your Quitting might Not Be your Choice.

 

[scabbytattoo]

Agreed I'm all for vaping everywhere I can but at work it's a non issue for me as I work part time in a vape shop so I don't have a horse in this race.

 

[jerzi]

"Third hand" is what is on your clothing, and the walls around you.

BTW, this PUBLISHED study shows NO nicotine (zero) in second hand vapor.
http://clearstream.flavourart.it/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CSA_Poster.pdf

All these tests performed have been matched up at around 18mg nic equal to the content of a traditional analog. Do you know of any testing that has been performed on higher nic levels that I could take a look at?

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Pros and Cons of the Net...we can find supporting documentation/ opinion supporting whatever side we choose to take. The real trick is to interpret all that data and come to our own conclusion and understand/ admit that it is an opinion BASED on the data available IMHO.

I know you were.

I just read things and Crazy Situations pop into my head.

---

I personally think this thread, and the Hundreds like it I have read over the Years are kind of a Testimonial of the Age we live in.

An age where if Someone can be Seen Inhaling Something and then Seen Exhaling Something, that People are going to be Upset.

I won't argue the Right or Wrong of it. That has been done Ad Nauseum. And I won't get into the Comparisons because I don't think Comparisons are Applicable.

In Todays World, If they can see you Exhale something, be prepared for someone to Tell You that you Can't Do It Here.

And if it happens to be in your Workplace I would suggest you do One of Two things.

Abide by what they tell you and pick up your Pay-Check on Friday.

or

Quit your Job and look for a Job where you can Exhale something and they Don't Care.


There just doesn't seem like there is much Middle Ground. Because if you Don't do the First, sooner or Later you will be doing the Second. Only the time of your Quitting might Not Be your Choice.

 

[zoiDman]

Pros and Cons of the Net...we can find supporting documentation/ opinion supporting whatever side we choose to take. The real trick is to interpret all that data and come to our own conclusion and understand/ admit that it is an opinion BASED on the data available IMHO.

For me it was Simple.

There is NO Vaping what so ever allowed where I work. If I want to vape, I have to walk out and stand in the Parking Lot.

And that's Cool.

I can go 3 or 4 Hours without taking a Hit. And when I do take a Hit, I do it just like when I Smoked. And where I used to Smoke. In the Parking Lot.

If it gets down to do I want to Quit my Job over Vaping, the answer takes about 18 Milliseconds of Thought.

No. No I Don't.

But everyone is Different.

 

[RosaJ]

A thought just popped up in my mind. Smoking a cigarette (a lit cigarette) and exhaling vapor from an ecig is banned. What about if you just hold an unlit cigarette in your hand, or carry it on your ear like in the old movies without lighting/exhaling? Is that banned too?

How would an unlit cigarette affect others?

 

[jerzi]

A thought just popped up in my mind. Smoking a cigarette (a lit cigarette) and exhaling vapor from an ecig is banned. What about if you just hold an unlit cigarette in your hand, or carry it on your ear like in the old movies without lighting/exhaling? Is that banned too?

How would an unlit cigarette affect others?

I have, and been asked to remove it from my ear in non smoking establishments.

 

[RosaJ]

All these tests performed have been matched up at around 18mg nic equal to the content of a traditional analog. Do you know of any testing that has been performed on higher nic levels that I could take a look at?

With all due respect Jerzi, but it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that vaping is not for you. Whether to vape or not is a personal decision we all have to make for ourselves, just like we made the decision to smoke when everything around us told us we were going to die sooner than later, yet we continued to smoke. We made that decision for ourselves.

There are other nicotine replacement methods you can adopt if you're afraid to vape.

 

[zoiDman]

A thought just popped up in my mind. Smoking a cigarette (a lit cigarette) and exhaling vapor from an ecig is banned. What about if you just hold an unlit cigarette in your hand, or carry it on your ear like in the old movies without lighting/exhaling? Is that banned too?

How would an unlit cigarette affect others?

Wouldn't effect anyone in the Least.

They may think, "Man, She/he must Really Need a Cigarette!" but aside from that, I Don't see it Effecting Anyone.

 

[jerzi]

With all due respect Jerzi, but it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that vaping is not for you. Whether to vape or not is a personal decision we all have to make for ourselves, just like we made the decision to smoke when everything around us told us we were going to die sooner than later, yet we continued to smoke. We made that decision for ourselves.

There are other nicotine replacement methods you can adopt if you're afraid to vape.

Not at all, I really enjoy vaping.

I'm actually not afraid to vape at all, but at the same time learning what could make it less criticized from the proponents against it.

 

[RosaJ]

I have, and been asked to remove it from my ear in non smoking establishments.

Then the mere sight of an unlit cigarette is offensive in and of itself. It has nothing to do with the "second hand" smoke effect on others. So smokers that follow the rules and not light up in non smoking venues are not to be trusted to not light up because they're holding an unlit cigarette.

 

[jerzi]

Then the mere sight of an unlit cigarette is offensive in and of itself. It has nothing to do with the "second hand" smoke effect on others. So smokers that follow the rules and not light up in non smoking venues are not to be trusted to not light up because they're holding an unlit cigarette.

Yes, it's an image they want to uphold usually. I think I asked one time about it and the response was this is an non-smoking property and we don't want our patrons to be under the impression that we allow something like that here. They said it gives off that impression.

 

[RosaJ]

Yes, it's an image they want to uphold usually. I think I asked one time about it and the response was this is an non-smoking property and we don't want our patrons to be under the impression that we allow something like that here. They said it gives off that impression.

So it's a matter of perception and not necessarily real concern for people's well being. I wonder if we asked to check out their kitchen and their storage area (in the case of a restaurant or coffee shop) they would pass an inspection. Yet, we don't insist on seeing the results of the last inspection from the Health Department before we order any food/beverage from them.

It's a no win situation, businesses would never allow us to look into their hygiene practices. So I guess the conclusion I come up with is they're a bunch of hypocrites who really don't have my best interest at heart. Even though I may choose to wear an unlit cigarette and follow the non-smoking rules, I'm still a pariah because I carry cigarettes on my person and I may or may not offend other patrons who are afraid of second hand smoke from an unlit cigarette.

I'm sorry for my rant, I'm going to go outside now and enjoy a nice vape in the sunshine. TY for indulging my fancy LOL.

 

[jerzi]

Actually nicotine is linked to neurological development. You might find it interesting that you got your first dose of nicotine from that first bottle of Gerbers that mommy fed you.

It can also ...... brain development in fetal growth, correct me if I'm wrong.