Email I got from my manager

[jerzi]

The classification was a "compromise" to keep the FDA from banning vaping nationwide for 10 - 20 years. But there is much that can be done. Educate, educate educate. And fight against ignorant misinformation everywhere. vape openly almost everywhere BUT respectfully. (this does not mean ignore company policies)

But most importantly, all of us join and support CASAA.

If they do regulate it as a medical device, it will be allowed almost anywhere without recourse from employers / business owners as they would face multiple lawsuits. Even if people are fighting for declassification that doesn't have a medical device use, employers and businesses can still ban the use on it's property for whatever reason they come up with.

You are pretty much fighting between a rock n hard place here.

 

[supermarket]

But nicotine is not harmful...is it??

Nicotine IS a drug. It IS addictive. As far as harmful on any organs in the body, probably not. However, not everyone wants to inhale nicotine. Not everyone wants nicotine in their body, regardless of the amount. I fully understand them.


Personally, I don't consider nicotine harmful. I enjoy the substance, and I have no desire to quit anytime soon.

I personally don't vape indoors, unless it is in my car, MY house, or somewhere indoors that allows cigarettes.

 

[retired1]

If they do regulate it as a medical device, it will be allowed almost anywhere without recourse from employers / business owners as they would face multiple lawsuits. Even if people are fighting for declassification that doesn't have a medical device use, employers and businesses can still ban the use on it's property for whatever reason they come up with.

You are pretty much fighting between a rock n hard place here.

If e-cigs get regulated as a medical device, every single vendor you purchase from will most likely go out of business and the ONLY place you'll be able to purchase any type of supply is via a pharmaceutical company. Which means that 10-15 bucks you pay for 30ml of juice, just got jacked up to over 50 bucks.

 

[Vault]

Talyon.. if everyone gave up the wheel would still be square, not circular (or in my case dented after that last ride-out!)

 

[Vault]

Nicotine IS a drug. It IS addictive. As far as harmful on any organs in the body, probably not. However, not everyone wants to inhale nicotine. Not everyone wants nicotine in their body, regardless of the amount. I fully understand them.


Personally, I don't consider nicotine harmful. I enjoy the substance, and I have no desire to quit anytime soon.

I personally don't vape indoors, unless it is in my car, MY house, or somewhere indoors that allows cigarettes.

True... but as additive as caffeine? Would love to see any government try to regulate that!.............sneeks outside for a double Mocha Latte Esspresso.

Come on folks.. lets get real.. far more people would kill the person standing next to them if they could`nt have their morning or all through the day ("get wired" )coffee than if they had to put off having a ciggie for a while!
There would be rebellion in the office if you had to stand outside to have a coffee!

I`m not anti- coffee but a drug is a drug is a drug and caffeine is the most popular drug of choice and is harmfull!!! Oh and addictive!
It spanks of hypocrisy that someone downing Red Bull or double shots of coffee can preach on the harmfull effects of another stimulant.

OK... you can`t get "second-hand" caffeine infusion from standing next to a guy drinking at Starbucks BUT has anyone proved you get any sort of increased nicotine level (apart from "back ground" levels already present) from standing or being in and enclosed space with a vaper?

 

[jerzi]

If e-cigs get regulated as a medical device, every single vendor you purchase from will most likely go out of business and the ONLY place you'll be able to purchase any type of supply is via a pharmaceutical company. Which means that 10-15 bucks you pay for 30ml of juice, just got jacked up to over 50 bucks.

Yes, this was more related to the they allow "nicotine inhalers" , but won't allow "Electronic Cigarettes" in certain areas.

I agree, you will probably see a substancial increase. I pay $10 for 50 mil

Would you pay the the increased price to be able to vape wherever you please?

 

[txredxj]

i quit analogs recently so i guess i still see myself as a smoker. why should vapers get more privileges when all you have done is changed the device you get the fix for your habit from? are you entitled to a reward because you found a safer carrier to get your fix from?

 

[Vault]

i quit analogs recently so i guess i still see myself as a smoker. why should vapers get more privileges when all you have done is changed the device you get the fix for your habit from? are you entitled to a reward because you found a safer carrier to get your fix from?

Yes you should be!
You are not inflicting the 4000 plus other chemicals on your co-workers/family or anyone in your environ.

Put it this way..... if you were at a restaurant and wanted to chew a nicotine gum lozenge would you be upset if they asked you to go outside and chew?
Same nicotine just a different carrier.

If your point is the vapour..... educate...explain and ask permission never presume. I would and always do ask permission and if I`m met with a stone wall " No smoking in here mate!" I explain and then vacate to the hovel where they banish all smokers.
But doing nothing achieves nothing!

 

[jerzi]

Yes you should be!
You are not inflicting the 4000 plus other chemicals on your co-workers/family or anyone in your environ.

Put it this way..... if you were at a restaurant and wanted to chew a nicotine gum lozenge would you be upset if they asked you to go outside and chew?
Same nicotine just a different carrier.

Self preservation should be automatically granted with a reward from others?

You shouldn't be inflicting anyone with harmful chemicals to begin with.

 

[Vault]

Not a reward but an understanding from the ignorant.

 

[jerzi]

Not a reward but an understanding from the ignorant.

Yes, a lot of non smokers appreciate it, but you shouldn't get any special privileges though, because you chose a lesser of two evils.

 

[txredxj]

Not a reward but an understanding from the ignorant.

they would not be ignorant if they under stood. just because a person knows something someone else does not most people will fee superior and feel a need to distinguish themselves from the "ignorant". all we can do i try to educate ourselves so we can reform the ignorant, one person at a time. then they will be "distinguished" and feel the need to reform the ignorant. from then on a battle you were fighting alone becomes alot easier with the aid of the "reformed ignorant".

 

[beazy]

This thread inspires me to find a job at a local b&m. Though people tend to find me large and unapproachable so they just end up gawking at the bolt mod hanging around my neck

 

[Vault]

This thread inspires me to find a job at a local b&m. Though people tend to find me large and unapproachable so they just end up gawking at the bolt mod hanging around my neck

Thats not an issue frankenstein had two bolt mods around his neck

 

[Vault]

Self preservation should be automatically granted with a reward from others?

You shouldn't be inflicting anyone with harmful chemicals to begin with.

So you don`t drive a car or ride a bike then? Fact of life mate, everything we do has a knock-on effect.

 

[tricci]

The solution to every vape restriction, sealth vape in the bathroom. Works everywhere, every time.

 

[txredxj]

So you don`t drive a car or ride a bike then? Fact of life mate, everything we do has a knock-on effect.

+1 you can say you quit analogs so you could walk more and decrease your carbon footprint on the world! we will need you to pose for a pic we will use for the poster. titled: I AM A HERO!!! lmao

 

[jerzi]

So you don`t drive a car or ride a bike then? Fact of life mate, everything we do has a knock-on effect.

Vaping isn't a fact of life, it's an unneeded addiction. I'll give you this one, I didn't put unneeded in there.

I do carpool when I can to reduce emissions in the air, but the society we live in it's needed to support life in most cases.

 

[chellemmm]

Well, I do see it as unprofessional and entitled. Regardless of whether or not he disagrees with the policies as laid out by the manager, he is there to do a JOB. Not to argue about his personal vaping "rights." We live in the real world, and some things are not "fair." Stating that his manger should "GROW A PAIR" because she is enforcing a rule is rude, the attitude is unprofessional and ENTITLED. He wants to disobey the rules or whine, get out of the military, get another job or find a place in the unemployment line.

I don't believe anyone is disagreeing that an owner or manager has the right to impose policies that we don't always agree with. And no one is suggesting do something stupid and get fired.

Providing the manager information that the premise that her decision is based on, is flawed, is a different story. And I don't see that as "unprofessional" and "entitled" as you do.

And, before you start jumping on me about nicotine being safe, we are not discussing the safety of vaping. We are discussing whether or not his MANAGER has the right to impose a rule and have it followed by an employee. He needs to suck it up and get over it. Workplace rules are different the public rules and laws.

 

[CrumbCake]

anti smoking zealots trying to lump vaping in with smoking are ......