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I can tell you the reason River. Its because they are very easy to be made, so modders followed that path and users couldnt do anything for it, so they bought what they found around.
Even China knows that front buttons are silly and they never made batteries like this (except when they started cloning)
please, NO front (bottom) buttons! They are stupidly awkward...which makes absolutely no sense to me. Anything else meant for holding in your hand is designed to be ergonomic and comfortable...natural. How bottom buttons came to be so prolific and popular is beyond my comprehension. :confused:
 

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Hi Imeo, Esterigon looks really nice- I really like side button mods and yours looks very interesting. I didn't understand Todd's review either- I think he maybe has a preconceived idea that side buttons are innately inferior as they have more contact surfaces, but I disagree with that idea as with a bottom button, you don't have a really solid connection between the button and the tube as it must slide easily and not jam, so most of the current must go through the spring which must be a problem with magnets that so many use nowadays!

I can't see a reason that your design shouldn't have the lowest resistance of any ss mod providing all the contact surfaces are clean and you have certainly made that easy to achieve! I would probably buy one right now if it weren't that I only had my current setup for a few months and my atty is 23mm so would look a bit weird! I quite like the look of the Erlkoenigen though and it's 21mm so I may treat myself in the next few months. Or wait for your new atty ;-)

The voltage drop test video you showed isn't really showing the voltage drop of the mod- it's a combination of mod and battery drop. The actual mod drop would be much less. Any chance of doing a test which eliminates the battery from the equation like Atmizoo did on their mods here: Voltage Drop Tests: Roller, Dingo, Guppy | atmizoo vaping modware ? That would certainly show how low it is and I don't see a reason for it not to be lower than the best bottom button mods out there.
 
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As for the voltage drop, if we are at 0,12 without the way atmizoo test it, imagine where we would be with atmizoo method!

As for the voltage drop: I can make a mod from copper, without springs, and only one cap. It would have the best performance. But it will not had any features at all. And its performance wouldnt be detected easily from humans. So whats the point?

I can also make a silver mod but because voltage drop depends on atomizer too I can make a silver atomizer. But who will pay for it? and for what benefit?

After VIR, we will forget all those things, be sure about that. They dont have a meaning either

ps...... as for Todd's review? Esterigon is the perfect mod for beginners and Todd said exactly the opposite. There are 2 things that could cause his reaction but they are both bad and I dont want to mention them. To my opinion it would be better to forget the whole thing

So we totally agree mark:)


Hi Imeo, Esterigon looks really nice- I really like side button mods and yours looks very interesting. I didn't understand Todd's review either- I think he maybe has a preconceived idea that side buttons are innately inferior as they have more contact surfaces, but I disagree with that idea as with a bottom button, you don't have a really solid connection between the button and the tube as it must slide easily and not jam, so most of the current must go through the spring which must be a problem with magnets that so many use nowadays!

I can't see a reason that your design shouldn't have the lowest resistance of any ss mod providing all the contact surfaces are clean and you have certainly made that easy to achieve! I would probably buy one right now if it weren't that I only had my current setup for a few months and my atty is 23mm so would look a bit weird! I quite like the look of the Erlkoenigen though and it's 21mm so I may treat myself in the next few months. Or wait for your new atty ;-)

The voltage drop test video you showed isn't really showing the voltage drop of the mod- it's a combination of mod and battery drop. The actual mod drop would be much less. Any chance of doing a test which eliminates the battery from the equation like Atmizoo did on their mods here: Voltage Drop Tests: Roller, Dingo, Guppy | atmizoo vaping modware ? That would certainly show how low it is and I don't see a reason for it not to be lower than the best bottom button mods out there.
 
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Imeo,
I answered before reading your. :oops:
It is exactly what I thought...
Do you think that it's possible for you without delaying the rest???

We will have a delay of tilemahos Sale, thats for sure. So better lets finish tilemahos and then we can talk again about this issue:)
 

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We will have a delay of tilemahos Sale, thats for sure. So better lets finish tilemahos and then we can talk again about this issue:)

Ok Imeo first finish Tilemahos, a lot of butty waiting for it, especially now they have Esterigon. :)
Maybe Proteus will be almost ready at this time
Otherwise perhaps it's could be a good issue for waiting ;)
 

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I agree totally with what you say Imeo- it really isn't that important, but it may help break peoples preconceived ideas ;-)
Batteries do play a big part in that drop and a mod drop test is pretty meaningless without eliminating that.
I think one of the strongest aspects of your design is the simplicity of cleaning the contacts. I currently use a dingo (which I love- my first mod ;-)) and today I tested its drop before and after cleaning. First test was cleaning just the screw joints in the tubes and the spring and the slightly tarnished brass 510 connector with alcohol- and the drop halved! To be honest cleaning the switch for the second test didn't make much difference but I only cleaned it a week or so ago so it was pretty clean anyway. I could really feel the difference in the performance after that cleaning. So ease of cleaning is a really important factor and your design looks super easy to clean. The Dingo's not difficult to clean but there's always the risk that you'll lose the tiny ball, spring or contact pin, whereas in yours there's not much to lose- that's what's attracting me to your design :)
 

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moving parts that touch each other have the biggest problems mark. And the only moving part is the button on mods. Especially on mech mods, button's cleaning is first priority and if you cant do it quickly and easy then the mod will go to the drawer because of this. You cant spend every 1-2 days 1/2 hour to clean your vaping device. Thats why I put all my efforts on this. Also the way to rotate contacts so every time you can have a new clean layer makes cleaning more rare
The other strong point of esterigon is the automatically adjusted moving pole. No need to think about anything, no need to open the cap, to adjust the pole, close the cap again, and if you change atomizer or unscrew the same atomizer and put it back again you have to do the same procedure. This old style technique is ancient and we first made it 3 years ago. But we cant travel with bicycles on digital age if you agree.
I agree totally with what you say Imeo- it really isn't that important, but it may help break peoples preconceived ideas ;-)
Batteries do play a big part in that drop and a mod drop test is pretty meaningless without eliminating that.
I think one of the strongest aspects of your design is the simplicity of cleaning the contacts. I currently use a dingo (which I love- my first mod ;-)) and today I tested its drop before and after cleaning. First test was cleaning just the screw joints in the tubes and the spring and the slightly tarnished brass 510 connector with alcohol- and the drop halved! To be honest cleaning the switch for the second test didn't make much difference but I only cleaned it a week or so ago so it was pretty clean anyway. I could really feel the difference in the performance after that cleaning. So ease of cleaning is a really important factor and your design looks super easy to clean. The Dingo's not difficult to clean but there's always the risk that you'll lose the tiny ball, spring or contact pin, whereas in yours there's not much to lose- that's what's attracting me to your design :)
 
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But we cant travel with bicycles on digital age if you agree.
I love my bike ;-) And I still play LPs on a record player ;-)
Honestly Imeo, I bought a Kick, used it for a day and put it back in the drawer! I should sell it! I'm absolutely fine with ancient mech mod technology so I guess I should buy Esterigon- your last mech device you say :-(
But that's obviously just my personal opinion- I must be a romantic ;-)

PS I do like the self adjusting posts as well- very nice convenience
 

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we agree again mark. But our main work is digital. We cant live without computers, e-mails, skype maybe etc. But its not bad from time to time to be a little romantic of course.

We cant go back to first China e-cigs for example, they were totally useless.

Anyway, improvement and aesthetics is what we really need to my opinion. And mech mods are all about this. Electronics is a different story


ps..... easy of use comes first of all of course and its the most serious part of improvements
 
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