EVERYONE - You have homework to do!

[crazybry79]

We need a little positive PR out there. One person isn't going to do it on their own. I need your help.

Give me 5 minutes of your time. Thats all I ask, and if we ALL chip in, we WILL be noticed.

Here is the plan. We have come up with a 'copy/paste' posting for Craigslist. The posting is found below. This posting draws positive attention to e-cigarettes, and attempts to de-bunk the FDA's biased and flawed preliminary study.

If everyone takes 5 minutes of their time, and posts this copy/paste posting on Craigslist in their respective area, we will cover a good chunk of the nation, and atleast get some positive PR out there. This is about public education.

For anyone who does not know what Craigslist is, here is a simple run down. If you are already familiar with Craigslist, please skip down further.

• Go to www.Craigslist.com
• In the blue letters, find the state you are located in. Click.
• This will open up different cities within your state. Find the appropriate city closest to you. Click.
• You will now have a bunch of categories listed. On the left side of the listings, locate the area under "Personals". Underneith that, there is a section called "Rants & Raves". Click.
• Click on the blue Rants & Raves again.
• Way up on the top right of the screen it says 'post'. Click.
• Click on Rants and Raves again.
• Instructions on what and how to post are written below.

I ran a trial of this posting in several spots, and got the best responce in Rants & Raves. R&R is a highly opinionated area, and it sees almost as much traffic as cars for sale. I reccomend posting this under Rants and Raves, and have had good responce so far.

Here is the posting I ask for you to post.

• In the Posting Title:

Great American Smoke Out - Escape to the vape

• In the body, copy paste:

Constantly rising prices of cigarettes getting to you? Do the health risks of smoking bother you? Worried you may not be able to smoke in public places?

Worry no more.

Electronic cigarettes are your answer! With an electronic cigarette, you may enjoy your nicotine, without the 4,000 some harmful chemicals commonly associated with a tobacco cigarette. Electronic cigarettes may be exempt from public smoking bans, depending on the community and establishment, so no more standing outside in the cold when you need a "smoke". Odorless, tar less, and you will be avoiding the harmful carcinogens associated with traditional cigarettes.

Q: But I heard that there is bad stuff in those? Aren't they unhealthy?

A:<B>NO</B>. There was a concern that electronic cigarettes contain Propylene Glycol. Propylene Glycol is, yes, found in an electronic cigarette, but is also found in many things common around your house, hand sanitizers, gum, mouthwash, tooth paste, many food additives, and cat food, and all are approved by the FDA. Also, the level of Propylene Glycol found in electronic cigarettes is far under the level determined to be safe for consumption. Propylene Glycol is often confused with diethylene glycol. Diethylene glycol is a toxin found in antifreeze, not to be confused with Propylene Glycol.

Q: Well, why would the government try to say these are bad then??

A: Easy answer! Think about it. Why do your cigarettes cost so much? The government taxes the heck out of cigarettes. The government would lose out on BIG time funding if people like you and me all of a sudden switched to electronic cigarettes, and STOPPED buying tobacco cigarettes. This is why the government has stated that there is an unsafe ingredient in electronic cigarettes. As I said before, yes, there is Propylene Glycol contained in these. But it is safe amounts. In order to begin to be close to a harmful level, one would have to smoke over 350 packs worth a day.

I am an individual. I am not a company trying to sell a product. I purchased one myself, and love it!

-Crazy Bry

Want to know more? Check out a forum at
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/

 

[crazybry79]

I am hoping to ask to have a posting set up for everyone each week.

If you would like to contribute to the posting, or have any ideas, Please post them here-http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2-professional-informaoive-letter-needed.html

Also, If you have any input, positive or negative, please feel free to post at the above link.

Any questions may also be asked at the above link.

I want to keep this thread clean for people to be able to easily find weekly updates.

And, THANK YOU for your continued support!

 

[Madness008]

"free from all the harmful carcinogens associated with traditional cigarettes." Is inaccurate. There are carcinogens in e-cigarettes. Some studies have shown them to be below any harmful level; and far less present than they are in real cigarettes. Also, the same ones are found in nicotine patches and nicotine gum. Also, pg has been studied for years and im not sure even the FDA is really worried about that. Its safe. Its the carcinogens and the antifreeze chemical they found that is causing the issues. At least to my understanding.

 

[julianka]

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to leave out the whole thing about the government and propylene glycol. If someone hasn't even heard of e-cigs before, that's only going to confuse them.

Also - "well under $100" may turn people right off. It SOUNDS expensive when you put it that way. Maybe instead of mentioning price or doing a Google search, just focus on the link to ECF.

 

[Webby]

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to leave out the whole thing about the government and propylene glycol. If someone hasn't even heard of e-cigs before, that's only going to confuse them.

Also - "well under $100" may turn people right off. It SOUNDS expensive when you put it that way. Maybe instead of mentioning price or doing a Google search, just focus on the link to ECF.

Good idea - perhaps toward the stickys and new user forums. Let them wander off the ranch into the general ECF forums on their own. To some users, walking in the front door of ECF is a little overwhelming. SJ is working on making the search features a little more newbie-friendly and that may make diving into posts here a bit less intimidating.

 

[crazybry79]

"free from all the harmful carcinogens associated with traditional cigarettes." Is inaccurate. There are carcinogens in e-cigarettes. Some studies have shown them to be below any harmful level; and far less present than they are in real cigarettes. Also, the same ones are found in nicotine patches and nicotine gum. Also, pg has been studied for years and im not sure even the FDA is really worried about that. Its safe. Its the carcinogens and the antifreeze chemical they found that is causing the issues. At least to my understanding.

Madness, I would have to agree. Furthering my research, I would agree with what you said about carcinogens. I will modify that part. Thank you for your input.

Although, I do need to disagree with you on the PG statememnt. The FDA, in their report, alleged that PG was considered toxic, and found in antifreeze. I WILL agree with you that through the FDA's own studies, have considered it safe within certain levels. They have twisted the truth, and are attempting to mislead the public with negative campaining. I am hoping to prevent that by doing this, and gaining everyone help.

Even though I disagree, I would really like to hear some more input on that topic from everyone, though.

julianka,
after rereading the post, I would have to agree. I will reword that part. Thank you for your insite!

Webby

Good sugestion. Very good points as well! I will direct the link towards the new members forum. Thanx!

 

[rjp44]

It's posted in cincinnati

 

[DC2]

Although, I do need to disagree with you on the PG statememnt. The FDA, in their report, alleged that PG was considered toxic, and found in antifreeze. I WILL agree with you that through the FDA's own studies, have considered it safe within certain levels. They have twisted the truth, and are attempting to mislead the public with negative campaining. I am hoping to prevent that by doing this, and gaining everyone help.

Madness is right, it is the diethylene glycol that was found in one of the Smoking Everywhere cartridges that is the concern. That is where the antifreeze scare originally came from. But many people are confusing it with propylene glycol, probably due to the fact that a number of media outlets screwed it up when they reported about the issue.

 

[Webby]

Madness is right, it is the diethylene glycol that was found in one of the Smoking Everywhere cartridges that is the concern. That is where the antifreeze scare originally came from. But many people are confusing it with propylene glycol, probably due to the fact that a number of media outlets screwed it up when they reported about the issue.

It's an age old propaganda trick.

"Accusation, Page 1 - Aquittal, Page 26-D"

 

[kristin]

My only concern is that it sounds like it's trying to sell e-cigs, rather than inspire intelligent thought. A lot of people may stop reading after "Worry no more. Electronic cigarettes are your answer!"

If I was reading it, I would be expecting a sales pitch to follow.

 

[Mingolvr]

I posted on the South Florida area Craigslist. I don't think it's a dumb idea at all.....a LOT of people still dont' know about these, and I think it's a great idea to spread the information.

Here's my post, changed just a tad for my own tastes: Great American Smoke Out - Escape to the Vape

 

[crazybry79]

OK. All good input folks! With your help, you have taken my weak idea, and improved it vastly!

I have addressed the DG and PV differtial issue, and Mingolvr has gone a step further.

BTW - Mingolvr, you have a PM. I would like to use your revision in place of original, but I would need to exclude the part about your doctor's reccomendation ('cause he hasnt reccomended it to ME personally.) with your OK, if at all possible.

I do see a few memnbers have voted in the poll that they don't care for this idea, and I completely repect that. I have my opinion, and you have yours, and thats a good thing. If you think my idea is substandard because of my poor writing skills, please feel free to submit some suggestive ideas. If there are any other constuctive criticism ideas out there, feel free to shoot em out at me as well....I take very well to constuctive ideas and improvemnt.

Kristin, after rereading it a few times, I also have to agree here. If you read Mingolvr's revision, it sounds alot better, IMO. Hopefully he will let us use that for next weeks post.

Thanx again, everyone, for your support!

 

[TheScrye]

I agree that getting attention out there is an awesome idea, and any front we can take, we should take it. With a little added revisions, craigslist would be a great place to just put some education out there.

Much like a few of us have thought that using myspace or facebook to our advantage would be a good idea. I'll definitely post this though, it's an idea worth exploring.

 

[tony206]

My only concern is that it sounds like it's trying to sell e-cigs, rather than inspire intelligent thought. A lot of people may stop reading after "Worry no more. Electronic cigarettes are your answer!"

If I was reading it, I would be expecting a sales pitch to follow.

Exactly, this sounds like more of a sales pitch than informing the public. Use Twitter if you really want to pick up some attention!

 

[optsmk]

"free from all the harmful carcinogens associated with traditional cigarettes." Is inaccurate. There are carcinogens in e-cigarettes. Some studies have shown them to be below any harmful level; and far less present than they are in real cigarettes. Also, the same ones are found in nicotine patches and nicotine gum. Also, pg has been studied for years and im not sure even the FDA is really worried about that. Its safe. Its the carcinogens and the antifreeze chemical they found that is causing the issues. At least to my understanding.

The word carcinogen is a very fear inflicting word and is used on many ways to scare the hell out of a lot of people. The funny thing is that a lot of people believe all of it. That is the problem with devices like e-cigs. It does not matter that there are very low amounts of carcinogens that e-cigs produce. The majority of people will still freak out if they just hear the word.

I'm sure if everyone knew just how many carcinogens are in our daily lives, some people would be shocked and never even leave the protection and safety of their homes. And lets not forget the level of carcinogens in car and truck exhaust fumes. I don't know for sure, but I'll be that you will inhale more cancer causing carcinogens by driving your car to the local supermarket than you will walking by a smoker on the street. Yet a lot of people will go out of their way to avoid a smoker walking down the street. Whats up with that?