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Dovpo Mono SQ Signature Mod at MyVPro. $140.56 using 5% off your order if you apply coupon code “WeVapeWeVote-VTC” or “MYVPRO-2020” at checkout. Pretty pricey if you ask me for a single 18650 cell DNA75C mod. But it does look like it might be very nice and measures in at 41.1 x 87 x 27mm.
 

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Dovpo Mono SQ Signature Mod at MyVPro. $140.56 using 5% off your order if you apply coupon code “WeVapeWeVote-VTC” or “MYVPRO-2020” at checkout. Pretty pricey if you ask me for a single 18650 cell DNA75C mod. But it does look like it might be very nice and measures in at 41.1 x 87 x 27mm.

Way too expensive! I got a SD 75c (Vapecige) for $68 & it uses's a 26650, HCigar was selling their single cell 75c for around $80, back when it was available

This thing is small but pretty ugly & should retail for well under $100 IMO

DovPoo came out of no wear & is trying to get premium $ for Chinese mods :(
It is nice that it has a dna but it's still a cheep Chineses Mod! & 18650? Really!
 

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DovPoo came out of no wear & is trying to get premium $ for Chinese mods :(
It is nice that it has a DNA but it's still a cheep Chineses Mod! & 18650? Really!
Well there is the Dovpo Odin DNA250C and now the Dovpo Mono SQ Signature DNA75C. And Dovpo teaming up with Odin and Signature was probably a smart move by Dovpo. As neither would put their name on something cheap.

And if you are trying to find a DNA mod right now, there isn't much out there at the moment. As I only have seen Paranormals and Drones and now Odin and Signature and that's about it. :(
 

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What is the connection with Signature Mods? Do they have a hand in manufacturing any part of the device? If so, that could be where the extra costs are coming from. Not trying to justify the price, just saying. Signature Mods do carry a premium price.

DNA based devices coming out of China seems to be a rarity as of late, but the higher end market is still pumping out DNA devices. That is of course if one is willing to pay the price of admission.

Despite I am not too keen on this Dovpo Mono design, I applauded their efforts – hopefully it will spark a resurgence of lower cost DNA devices out of China. Looking at YOU Lost Vape!!
 

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I might as well throw in my 2 cents. Any single cell DNA75C needs to be able to be powered by a 21700 if one wants to utilize it's potential. That being 100 watt boost with INT firmware. A 30 amp 18650 will do it for a little while only.
 

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I might as well throw in my 2 cents. Any single cell DNA75C needs to be able to be powered by a 21700 if one wants to utilize it's potential. That being 100 watt boost with INT firmware. A 30 amp 18650 will do it for a little while only.

My personal perspective based on my use, I would agree. But not everyone is pushing the 75C to it’s max potential. And out of those who do push the limits, not everyone is doing so with the correct batteries.

Looking at the higher end market, the 75C with a single 18650 is a very popular configuration. No idea the reasoning behind this, but despite their extravagant price tags, these devices are selling. And if the local high-end shops within Toronto display any kind of worldwide trends, they do seem to be popular.
 

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It's hard to look at the prices of mods and figure out what's actually worthwhile. I have built all but a scant few of the ones my wife and I use and the ones I've bought were close outs or clearance items. When I add the cost of components together, even getting the boards at discount, it still turns into a fairly expensive piece of handheld device. That doesn't include any labor cost since my time is my own being retired, but if I add that in at the rate I charged when I was working the cost per mod goes up quite significantly. It all boils down to it's worth what you're willing to pay, I guess.

A single battery 75C just doesn't appeal to me. The ones I have are dual 20700s and have pretty decent battery life, on the same level as a 4S 250C. A single, 18650 just can't compare to that especially the high discharge capacities since discharge and overall capacity are trade offs.
 

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Well there is the Dovpo Odin DNA250C and now the Dovpo Mono SQ Signature DNA75C.

This is true Bill, But at full retail the Odin is no deal! At $136 from FT with $1 shipping it's a buy! If FT was selling The SQ for $89 then it mite be attractive.
Also I agree it needs a bigger battery!
 

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This is true Bill, But at full retail the Odin is no deal! At $136 from FT with $1 shipping it's a buy! If FT was selling The SQ for $89 then it mite be attractive.
Also I agree it needs a bigger battery!

Was that a promotional deal? Looking at FT, the Odin is $180 US which is on par with US retailers.

Again, do not know if Signature Mods has a hand in manufacturing the Dovpo Mono. Their single 18650 mechanical squonders retails for £150.00, or ~$195 US if converted. Can that be used to compare the price of the Mono which is much more complex?
 

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Punk FT had "MAP" discount on the Odin when it was first listed, it reduced the price by $44 to $136 :) DovPoo got mad & told them they could not offer the Map discount any more :( FT made it known in their forum that they would still sell the Odin for the discounted price but not just out in the open, if you want one for the $136 open a ticket & ask for "MAP" pricing on the Odin :)

I got both of mine for the reduced Price :)
 

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Punk FT had "MAP" discount on the Odin when it was first listed, it reduced the price by $44 to $136 :) DovPoo got mad & told them they could not offer the Map discount any more :( FT made it known in their forum that they would still sell the Odin for the discounted price but not just out in the open, if you want one for the $136 open a ticket & ask for "MAP" pricing on the Odin :)

I got both of mine for the reduced Price :)

But that is just FT undercutting the retail competition. That’s does not change the manufacturing cost of the device. If the Odin cost say $10 more per unit to manufacture over say a LV Paranormal, then it’s retail price may reflect this. To note, I am using $10 per unit as simple example, the reality is I have no idea. But we can easily presume that the machine aluminum chassis of the Odin will carry a higher cost over the forged zinc alloy chassis of the LV Paranormal.

The Mono is a collaboration with SQ – there is a cost to this regardless if SQ is selling its name and or has a hand in manufacturing. Its retail price will reflect this additional cost. The SQ name alone will have a value to certain consumers.
 

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But that is just FT undercutting the retail competition. That’s does not change the manufacturing cost of the device.

I'm fairly certain FT still makes a profit at the $136. I find names associated with a product like Vapor clouds with the Odin is worth nothing to me! They mite be in for a small share of the Sale price? but besides that what value do they add?
The mod is made in a factory in China, just like the rest of them!

I remember back a little bit Vapedroid had a partnership with a Chinese's company & due to lack of quality they wanted out! FT sold off the stock for a huge discount, I bought 2 of them & one came DOA :( When I opened it to see what was wrong the poor quality in manufacturing was evident immediately!

The battery contacts were very cheap, the wiring was so thin & poorly soldered, Not Good!

So just cause some name company puts their name on a product made in China, this asures you nothing!
 
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Yeah having a single cell 18650 mod is tough. A single cell 18650 mod usually lasts me about 4-6 hours worth of vaping. Dual 18650 mods lasts me double that. And triple 18650 mods lasts me 3 times that. Single 20700, 21700, & 26650 mods lasts me about double. I don't mind single 18650 mods, if battery swaps are quick and easy. I usually vape 18 to 45 watt range.

The only single 18650 DNA75C mods I have are four Lost Vape Therion BF. I sure changed a lot of batteries in those things.
 

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If you use a tiny little coil in a MTL config, you mite get by on an 18650.
But why? Would you want a car with a small gas tank or a bigger one? Even if you had an economy car with a fuel efficient engine, I would still want the bigger tank :)

A 21700 mod mite be a bit bigger, for me it's a trade off I'm willing to accept :)
 

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I find names associated with a product like Vapor clouds with the Odin is worth nothing to me! They mite be in for a small share of the Sale price? but besides that what value do they add?
The mod is made in a factory in China, just like the rest of them!
Ah... but there is a difference. As the non-Chinese company does the engineering and insures the quality of the Chinese manufactured devices is up to their standards. And if they are, they will stand by their product. And they usually handle support and service of their products as well. Which is a huge difference!

Heck even big named brand consumer electronics are done this way. Love it or hate it, this is the way things are usually done today.
 

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Heck even big named brand consumer electronics are done this way. Love it or hate it, this is the way things are usually done today.

Well if your Apple & can afford to do quality control in your Chinese's factory, it mite be a different story!
But I'm sure no one from Vapors Cloud is in the DovPoo factory making sure you get a good unit!

No one was in the Chinese factory were they built the VapeDroid doing quality control! Thats for sure!
 

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A 21700 mod mite be a bit bigger, for me it's a trade off I'm willing to accept :)
True, but you never want to grab a small mod sometimes that is light that you can drop in your shirt pocket? I do. And that is why I have some mods with lots of battery capacity and some with very little.
 

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Well if your Apple & can afford to do quality control in your Chinese's factory, it mite be a different story!
But I'm sure no one from Vapors Cloud is in the DovPoo factory making sure you get a good unit!

No one was in the Chinese factory were they built the VapeDroid doing quality control! Thats for sure!
Here is how I believe it is usually done. Rarely is there is a rep in the Chinese factory. What usually happens is the plans and specs are sent to a Chinese manufacturing company. And they agree on a price. Then the non-Chinese company orders the quantity they want. Then the Chinese manufacture ships them to them. Usually a small batch at first so they can check the quality.

If they don't pass their standards, there is trouble. The Chinese manufacture has to make good or they will be stuck with the inventory. And the non-Chinese company will not stand behind them or anything. So the Chinese manufacture are stuck with them unless they can unload them off to a place like FT. Otherwise they are recycled. This is why many things sold from FT at a huge discount often carries no manufacture's warranty.
 

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