Evolv-ing Thread

[Tpat591]

Your points are all good & true, But! Customs is all ready over worked, at some point they will have to prioritize what they scrutinize. You can't just keep piling more work on government agencies with out increasing their budget! So Back to who pays for the vape Gear Watch Dog?
Passing new laws is the easy part, implementing & policing are a whole other thing.

On another note FT routinely sends package into Canada as gifts from "Mr Chin" Not! declaring anything to Customs for import tax's. How/why can they get away with that?
This whole deeming thing will just put American manufactures at a disadvantage, it will not stop new vape gear from coming in from China

Pssst....Don't tell anyone about FT or you'll screw it up for those of us south of the border.

FDA wants a bigger budget. Customs wants a bigger budget. They don't care about the economy or jobs that are not their own.

 

[Squonk_me]

If,,, any of the B&M's have been paying any Customs fees on orders from china, and now they are not,,, who do you think they will go to, to get those fees from? Those missing fees will hurt their budget even more. I think I already know what they will do.

 

[mikepetro]

It all depends on whether they "choose" to or not. If everything stays status-quo nothing much will change, but if the right political pressure gets placed they are perfectly capable. That whole textile thing proved it out. What they did then was blacklist shipping addresses, but the factories kept changing their shipping addresses, so it was a big cat and mouse game. At the end of the day they made it tough on the folks that supply places like Canal St though.

To put it in perspective, I dont think there is a soul in the enforcement circles that doesnt know that FT and GearBest ship a high percentage of vape gear. Now imagine some penny-loafer bureaucrat pulls the right strings and gets Customs to inspect a few hundred FT packages each week for 8 weeks straight, and then confiscate a bunch of stuff. Customs has a few years worth of Electronic Declarations, so it would not be difficult to create a filter that singled out known or suspected vape recipients only, thereby yielding a fairly high success rate of detecting vape packages from helicopter enthusiasts. How do you think FT is going to react? At first they will evade, but if they get hit hard enough, enough times, all of a sudden US shipping addresses might get become persona non-grata.

Remember what happened with the whole battery shipping thing? At first they tried to evade, I got one package where they wrapped the 18650s in tin foil, then they picked different shipping methods, then they stopped shipping batteries altogether. Now that wasnt the FDA behind it, but the fact remains that the shippers were effective at stopping battery shipment. Dont think for a minute that Customs/FDA couldnt be just as effective.

Folks like FT are only going to allow a certain amount of losses before they just stop shipping certain items to certain countries.

 

[Tpat591]

Still product that were available before 8/8 are still legal to ship. Of the vape gear they sell, that is a relatively large percentage. It would be a real bear to separate that & I doubt they will try until after the two years to apply is over.

 

[OhTheAgony]

If you find any, let us know please.

It makes sense that manufactures would do something like this if they could. I am sure extending the shelf life prior to sale would be a concern for them.

That being said, I have watched a lot of videos of Lipo manufacturing processes, and this was never mentioned, but then again, it might be one of those trade secret kind of things.

Will do, could email the guy from the website you linked to see if he has a source perhaps. He appears to be in to RC stuff since 2008 at least.

I kinda want to believe it because it would make storing new batteries much simpler and care-free, haha. But I think I'll do a voltage check at least and probably periodically even if just for peace of mind.

 

[mikepetro]

Still product that were available before 8/8 are still legal to ship. Of the vape gear they sell, that is a relatively large percentage. It would be a real bear to separate that & I doubt they will try until after the two years to apply is over.

Yeah, proving that one way or another would be a PITA.

 

[awsum140]

Steamer, what your missing is the point that inspections would be a way to grow the government and further regulate everyone while making us, the taxpayers, pay for it. Any excuse to grow government or regulate people further is a good excuse to the paper pushers and politicians.

There is a bill before the State Legislature, here, in beautiful NJ, that would make drinking coffee, vaping, smoking, eating, changing the radio station or doing anything else that is not directly related to the operation of a motor vehicle a driving offense with a first time fine of $400. It's an "improvement" on the anti-texting laws already in place. They are "protecting" us, after all, whether we want them to or not so it must be a good thing. Right? I have to wonder how the police might feel about having to enforce something like that.

 

[mikepetro]

"Distracted Driving" has actually become a full fledged legal genre, with Lawyers devoting entire Practices to it!

 

[awsum140]

"Distracted Driving" has actually become a full fledged legal genre, with Lawyers devoting entire Practices to it!

The land sharks will bate at anything that resembles bait, err, ahhh, money.

 

[Steamer861]

Steamer, what your missing is the point that inspections would be a way to grow the government and further regulate everyone while making us, the taxpayers, pay for it. Any excuse to grow government or regulate people further is a good excuse to the paper pushers and politicians.

There is a bill before the State Legislature, here, in beautiful NJ, that would make drinking coffee, vaping, smoking, eating, changing the radio station or doing anything else that is not directly related to the operation of a motor vehicle a driving offense with a first time fine of $400. It's an "improvement" on the anti-texting laws already in place. They are "protecting" us, after all, whether we want them to or not so it must be a good thing. Right? I have to wonder how the police might feel about having to enforce something like that.

Makes you wonder about their motivation? In Canada if you get a good government job, it's like winning the lottery, great pay all the benefits, no accountability to anyone! Cash for life, at the tax payers expense
We have distracted driving laws too, They just upped the fine to 450.00 to 1,000.00 plus 4 demerit points so the insurance company can raise your rates too

 

[awsum140]

I really can't like that, Steamer. I had always thought my friends "to the North" had better situation than we do with relatively small and unobtrusive Government. Guess not.

 

[mikepetro]

The land sharks will bate at anything that resembles bait, err, ahhh, money.

A bit of a misquote, but apropos.

"To Kill or Not to Kill All the Lawyers? That Is the Question"

 

[Tpat591]

Lawyers have taken over the country. They are never satisfied with the amount of money they can fleece from the rest of us. Everything is designed to justify their existence & take more.

That is why guns exist: to keep them in check. We just lack enough people willing to pull the triggers. Any volunteers?

 

[Steamer861]

I really can't like that, Steamer. I had always thought my friends "to the North" had better situation than we do with relatively small and unobtrusive Government. Guess not.

Maybe in the 60's & 70's! Today IMO our biggest problem here up north is Too Much Government!
Way to many Freeloaders acting like their important & sucking the Tax payer Dry

 

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[Alexander Mundy]

Just thought of a interesting scenario. A new technology 5000mah 30A 18650 comes out tomorrow. Technically vape shops couldn't sell it.

 

[Steamer861]

Just thought of a interesting scenario. A new technology 5000mah 30A 18650 comes out tomorrow. Technically vape shops couldn't sell it.

5000mAH 18650 would be a game changer

 

[SlickWilly]

I have flashlights that take 18650's, gimme a link!

ETA: "scenario" Ah, read too fast....

 

[dwcraig1]

I stopped in at my favorite local vape shop. A sign on the counter said "$1 to sample unlimited liquid, $1 off then with purchase". No coil building anymore there.

 

[dwcraig1]

Around 2001 -2002 it was, the head guy at a place that made the electrolyte for the capacitors used on computer motherboards was let go. No problem as his assistants had the formula. Soon lots of MB's were failing with puffed up capacitors. It seems that he kept one ingredient of the formula in his head, that was the one for anti-corrosion.
Edit: Here is a link to what I posted about, not quite to the point as I put it but quite informative.
Capacitor plague - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This post is an after thought related to the "magic juice" of the unused Lipo packs.