Evolv-ing Thread

[Tpat591]

My point, exactly. The cases always cited are extreme exposure cases, or at least very high exposure for extended time periods. Whether it was exposure during production or exposure during popping the exposure was rather high. Both the time and the concentration is so high compared to vaping, even in an overheated dry hit, that it is probably, and I stress probably, inconsequential.

Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it. I am not a doctor, do not play one on TV and didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Preliminary studies were not at all encouraging & downright scary on unregulated C2 devices with diacetyl as I recall but there were some methodology issues with the wattages & airflow methodology in that study that were so absurd that they actually caused Evolv to produce the dna200 in that manner to help create tests under realistic & proper scientific conditions.

Evolv is working the studies right now which will give better results under proper conditions. In the mean time, I am very leary of the butter flavors though because of my existing long term exposure from MSG.

Time will tell I guess.

 

[cigatron]

Its a smooth signal, not PWM. I could probably dig up a picture of the board somewhere if I search the threads to find that supplier who sells the boards separately.


I'm getting old and my memory is shot.

From my limited knowledge data bank I recall three different types of regulation discussed for mods; DC-DC, Pulse Width Modulation and Pulse Frequency Modulation. PWM can be very smooth if transient response is fast enough but some say that PFM is better. I've never owned a PFM mod (that I know of). If the FSK mods are that good maybe they are PFM? I would like to try a PFM mod some day.

 

[cigatron]

"n 2004, The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported several cases of bronchiolitis obliterans in workers in a microwave popcorn plant in Missouri in 2000. Bronchiolitis obliterans is a serious and irreversible condition in which the tiny air sacs in the lungs become scarred. After investigation by the NIOSH (National Institute of Occupation Safety and Health), it was discovered that a flavoring agent, diacetyl, was used to give the popcorn a buttery taste, and that inhalation of this flavoring likely contributed to the development of the illness. The disease that results often is associated with cough and shortness of breath, similar to that seen in people with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). This process is irreversible by current therapy."

Do Vaping & Ecigs Cause Popcorn Lung Disease?

Yes, that's the one I read. COPD-like symptoms from manufacturing microwave popcorn. There was a more in depth article which presented the working conditions those employees were subjected to. Breathing vapors from the heating vats.
Tpat's post was the first I'd seen indicating cancer as a possible side affect from breathing diacetyl vapors from popping corn.

 

[mikepetro]

Evolv is working the studies right now which will give better results under proper conditions. In the mean time, I am very leary of the butter flavors though because of my existing long term exposure from MSG.

Unfortunately, Joe Blow Public will be hard pressed to believe Evolv's data, because EVolv is clearly pro vape, just as we dont believe a lot of the crap we read.

The fact that Evolv turned over the tech to the NIH gives us a prayer though.

 

[cigatron]

It's about time the FDA catches up with what we all already knew (assumed) from the way we felt after switching from cigs to vaping.

 

[Tpat591]

Hillary Clinton says "The future is female". I can't remember a more outright divisive sexist statement by a politician, EVER.

She happens to be right because most men would rather commit suicide rather than listen to women like her the rest of their lives!

 

[cigatron]

She happens to be right because most men would rather commit suicide rather than listen to women like her the rest of their lives!

Seriously though, I believe it takes both men and women working together to create and sustain an effectual, balanced and strong economic society. My wife and I are in total agreement on this subject. If you don't believe me, just ask her; she'll tell you that everything that's mine is hers and everything that's hers is hers.

 

[Tpat591]

From my limited knowledge data bank I recall three different types of regulation discussed for mods; DC-DC, Pulse Width Modulation and Pulse Frequency Modulation. PWM can be very smooth if transient response is fast enough but some say that PFM is better. I've never owned a PFM mod (that I know of). If the FSK mods are that good maybe they are PFM? I would like to try a PFM mod some day.

Believe its DC-DC....can't find it in specs but here are Busardo's scope trace of the signal on the G2 from a Year ago. The rest of review is skewed due to Busardo's lack of understanding of mod. After he learned more he got even more confused and never did a proper review. He never tested the Slice FSK which was more advanced and had usb charging/data usb and was supposedly able to fire down to 0.000001ohm whereas the G2 was only able to do 0.007ohm & did not have usb charging.

flat signal profile

zero firing delay

dry coil firing

Blowing on coil

Wet Coil

 

[cigatron]

Believe its DC-DC....can't find it in specs but here are Busardo's scope trace of the signal on the G2 from a Year ago. The rest of review is skewed due to Busardo's lack of understanding of mod. After he learned more he got even more confused and never did a proper review.

flat signal profile
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zero firing delay
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dry coil firing
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Blowing on coil
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Wet Coil
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Niiiice, very sweet looking signals. It appears to be a DC output signal in TC based on the appearance of the trace at 200ms scaling. I remember you posting a couple months ago about your two hohmwrecker mods but can't remember which you perferred.

 

[Tpat591]

Niiiice, very sweet looking signals. It appears to be a DC output signal in TC based on the appearance of the trace at 200ms scaling. I remember you posting a couple months ago about your two ohmwrecker mods but can't remember which you perferred.

G2 has better battery life w/ dual 18650s,151w, no USB charging/only data but its bulky, boxy & ugly as sin but milled aluminum, durable as hell & vapes like a champ. I only have 1) I paid $56 for from Ecig.com. VaporCube was selling them for 45.97 during the holidays but the price was back up to $64.97 + shipping w/ g2flashx1 for the SE. The only difference between the SE & the LE is the painted symbols.

Slice is single 26650, 101w, and life is better than 18650 but not wonderful (on par w/ a DNA75). It is painted zinc & early ones were prone to peeling & had fitment issues at battery door. Both issues were addressed in later runs, but you still hear some complain. My blue one is chipped on paint from dropping it 4' on concrete floor &, but that was my fault. The other 3 I have in operation are just fine. Very Slight movement of battery door sliding on magnets but no biggie at all. Slice is much more ergonomic & easy to travel with & 101W is more than enough, but I never get near that anyway. SE has no symbols and 1a usb charging port. The LE has faint symbols and 3a USB Charging port. SE goes for 59.99 MRP & LE goes for 69.99 MRP.
I bought 1 LE from Vapor Beast for the $69.99 w/ a 15% off code, 1 LE from Vapor Beast for the $69.99 w/ a 20% code. After that I caught a sale a Vapor Beast where I got 2 LE for 27.89ea total between a 20% off code & a Daily Deal on the Slice. Also got one for 29.99 from Vapor World during the Winter Sale 50%. VaporCube had SE Slice for 29.99 from on their BF/Xmas/NewYear sales. You can find the LE Slice cheap enough if you get them on certain specials if you look around & bide your time. Worth the wait for the 3a charging.

Personally I prefer the Slice most of the time but if your looking to run a big fused clapton builds G2 is way to go. I tell ya I would love to take the chip out of the G2 and install it into a Battlestar dual 18650 configuration for something a bit less bulky.

 

[mikepetro]

 

[tiburonfirst]

 

[mikepetro]

 

[mikepetro]

 

[tiburonfirst]

too early for that, mike!

 

[cigatron]

Wow, that's a whole lotta Rosie!

 

[turbocad6]

sorry guys just hadda pop in here and say I completely agree with steamer about the whole anti lock brake thing, I remember back in the mid 80's testing one of the very first domestic cars with ABS on a snowy day on a downhill and while it was a bit unnerving feeling all the pulsations and actually feeling it push way back up against your foot as you mashed the brake pedal, the truth is it just worked... guys removing the fuses kinda reminds me of back in the early days of fuel injection and electronic ignition, ignorant mechanics wouldn't know how to deal with any kind of issues with them and whenever they had a problem with it they would just rip them out to replace with a carburetor and a set of ignition points distributor, "we don't need none of this new fangled hog wash"

same kind of ignorance here with much of the general public on the whole vaping thing it's so ridiculously common to have someone say "you know those things are bad for you" as they continue to suck on their cancer sticks

 

[mikepetro]

sorry guys just hadda pop in here and say I completely agree with steamer about the whole anti lock brake thing, I remember back in the mid 80's testing one of the very first domestic cars with ABS on a snowy day on a downhill and while it was a bit unnerving feeling all the pulsations and actually feeling it push way back up against your foot as you mashed the brake pedal, the truth is it just worked... guys removing the fuses kinda reminds me of back in the early days of fuel injection and electronic ignition, ignorant mechanics wouldn't know how to deal with any kind of issues with them and whenever they had a problem with it they would just rip them out to replace with a carburetor and a set of ignition points distributor, "we don't need none of this new fangled hog wash"

same kind of ignorance here with much of the general public on the whole vaping thing it's so ridiculously common to have someone say "you know those things are bad for you" as they continue to suck on there cancer sticks

Good to see you Turbo, you should pop in more often.....

 

[turbocad6]

I'm a big time lurker on this thread mike, one of the few here that I read every post and follow religiously

 

[tiburonfirst]

Good to see you Turbo, you should pop in more often.....

yeah, we're not picky at all!


hiya, turbo