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No, but I challenged him to find where the Surgeon General said that an ecig "is just as deadly" as a normal cigarette. That was after accusing him of spreading misinformation.

Mike, That's what we are up against, people believing the lies being put out there. Tell him my story, how I beat throat cancer while vaping during the treatments, how two oncologists told me vaping does not cause cancer and it was OK to keep on vaping, see what he has to say to that. I'll gladly talk to him on the phone if he wants.
 

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Mike, That's what we are up against, people believing the lies being put out there. Tell him my story, how I beat throat cancer while vaping during the treatments, how two oncologists told me vaping does not cause cancer and it was OK to keep on vaping, see what he has to say to that. I'll gladly talk to him on the phone if he wants.

Actually we have debated this a number of times, and he is more/less objective about it all. This was a "canned" health flyer from Anthem insurance (check stuffer), I dont think he even realized this blurb was in there before I shoved it in his face. We both agree that there are studies both for and against vaping that can be massaged to suit any agenda.

It isnt worth arguing about statements like "flavoring such diacetyl, a chemical linked to a serious lung disease". Most people have no clue that the only real reported disease results from exposure to pure forms of the chemical, as opposed to the trace amounts present in ejuice, and popcorn. And most people wont sit still long enough for you to educate them, as they most likely think you are just spewing propaganda yourself.

I just really took the "just as deadly" thing personally and asked him to back it up as that is blatantly unsubstantiated.
 
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I saw it as a sticker in all the urinals, in the 90's. I don't think the military respected her.
Probably because she posed for a picture on a NVA anit-aircraft gun when she was protesting the Vietnam War (conflict).
 

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We both agree that there are studies both for and against vaping that can be massaged to suit any agenda.

and hopefully, we all can agree to err on the side of caution when it comes to adolescents ;) too much not known yet to give vaping a roaring endorsement as is possible in willy's case! ;)
 

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and hopefully, we all can agree to err on the side of caution when it comes to adolescents ;) too much not known yet to give vaping a roaring endorsement as is possible in willy's case! ;)

I am all for publishing bonafide data, regardless of which way it points. Its when they add "poetic license" to interpret it that I get riled, and both sides are guilty.
 

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Actually we have debated this a number of times, and he is more/less objective about it all. This was a "canned" health flyer from Anthem insurance (check stuffer), I dont think he even realized this blurb was in there before I shoved it in his face. We both agree that there are studies both for and against vaping that can be massaged to suit any agenda.

It isnt worth arguing about statements like "flavoring such diacetyl, a chemical linked to a serious lung disease". Most people have no clue that the only real reported disease results from exposure to pure forms of the chemical, as opposed to the trace amounts present in ejuice, and popcorn. And most people wont sit still long enough for you to educate them, as they most likely think you are just spewing propaganda yourself.

I just really took the "just as deadly" thing personally and asked him to back it up as that is blatantly unsubstantiated.

Yeah it is frustrating having to fight lies, people are going to believe what they want. During my last visit with the oncologist I asked him to please keep being an advocate for vaping as I was sure there are doctor's out there that don't know the facts. He told me there was already much more support and talk about it behind the scenes then most know, he said they were looking for more studies to be done. He asked if I would mind if he got follow up reports on me during the coming years as I go in for checkup's, knowing I was a vaper he'd like to see how I progress for his own interest. I told him if it would help in any way by all means yes and he had my permission to share my records with other doctors.
 

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Actually we have debated this a number of times, and he is more/less objective about it all. This was a "canned" health flyer from Anthem insurance (check stuffer), I dont think he even realized this blurb was in there before I shoved it in his face. We both agree that there are studies both for and against vaping that can be massaged to suit any agenda.

It isnt worth arguing about statements like "flavoring such diacetyl, a chemical linked to a serious lung disease". Most people have no clue that the only real reported disease results from exposure to pure forms of the chemical, as opposed to the trace amounts present in ejuice, and popcorn. And most people wont sit still long enough for you to educate them, as they most likely think you are just spewing propaganda yourself.

I just really took the "just as deadly" thing personally and asked him to back it up as that is blatantly unsubstantiated.

In my experiences people are slow to change their opinions. New things are all most all ways not welcomed with open arms! Rumors are started from those with vested interest against new thing & often taken as truths.

Most of us here know the score on vaping, the rest will learn eventually!

I remember when anti lock breaks first came out. There was so many people who didn't believe!
They pulled the fuses out of their cars that controlled them, They just wouldn't have any part of this new voodoo. I thought it was insane! how could they not see, you could break hard & stear at the same time!
Today we all know anti lock breaks save lives!

The day will come when they all know that about vaping to :)
 

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In my experiences people are slow to change their opinions. New things are all most all ways not welcomed with open arms! Rumors are started from those with vested interest against new thing & often taken as truths.

Most of us here know the score on vaping, the rest will learn eventually!

I remember when anti lock breaks first came out. There was so many people who didn't believe!
They pulled the fuses out of their cars that controlled them, They just wouldn't have any part of this new voodoo. I thought it was insane! how could they not see, you could break hard & stear at the same time!
Today we all know anti lock breaks save lives!

The day will come when they all know that about vaping to :)

Well the first anti-lock brakes were terrible, they would pulse the brake pedal so bad it would scare the hell out of people. The first year Audi came out with them three of us mechanics took one out on a snowy day for a test drive, each one of us took a turn and none of us was impressed. Pulling the fuses was true, we had customer's come in demanding we disable the system, we couldn't do it due to liability but we did show them where the fuse was located.
 

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I am all for publishing bonafide data, regardless of which way it points. Its when they add "poetic license" to interpret it that I get riled, and both sides are guilty.

Amen, I took what the doctor's told me on a leap of faith hoping they were right. I'm all in for data, if it's found to be unsafe I'll quit vaping.

ETA: From what I seen so far nothing I can trust is telling me it is unsafe.
 

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Thanks Tpat, very interesting. I had an Asolo mod that claimed TC for Kanthal and Nichrome but it had similar issues; relied too much on user input/experience. Sounds like the ohmtech products work better though. The Asolo was intermittent at best during setup and would periodically jump out of TC.
I'm with others here on tc wire; Ti, Nife52 and ss430 work so well I wonder what the attraction is to kanthal and nichrome tc. Even ss316L works fine with clapton and fused clapton coils once a good oxide layer develops on the wire surface.

Thanks again for the info Tpat.
Never tried Asolo but heard from others the TC experience was touch & go and unreliable.

Quite satisfied w/ DNAs w/ normal wires as well, but I've always been one to try new devices especially if they push the boundaries of the tech. Never found a device that compares to a DNA, but of all the products I've tried the FSK is damn good & will vape just like a DNA when properly set up, and allows functionality under conditions that a DNA cannot. I gotta give credit where credit is due as the FSKs are improving quickly. With all due respect, If Evolv wants to keep the title as the best in the business they enjoy today without a doubt, they will have to Evolv(e) to incorporate advances in EPT, Display, & GUI IMHO.

DNA & FSK are the best two boards out there. Joyetech does not come close to being in same league, but will serve in a pinch or an on the go beater but many prefer the displays, gimmicks, & GUI.
 

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Amen, I took what the doctor's told me on a leap of faith hoping they were right. I'm all in for data, if it's found to be unsafe I'll quit vaping.

ETA: From what I seen so far nothing I can trust is telling me it is unsafe.

What I tell people is that, most likely, inhaling anything other than air (and even air is questionable in some regions) is likely to cause some level of harm. For me, vaping is about "harm reduction" and I firmly believe (and my own body tells me) that vaping is far less harmful than smoking.
 

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