499 pages of horse apples!
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So from what I read there is a 2 year grace period? before these new regulations go into affect?
Wonder If/how this will affect Us in Canada?
Wonder If/how this will affect Us in Canada?
12:38 American vaping Association aren't happy...
Comment from Greg Conley (@GregTHR), President of the American Vaping Association (@AVABoard)
Harm reduction advocates have long warned that FDA 'regulation' of vapor products would resemble prohibition far more than reasonable regulation. Today, these warnings became reality. The FDA's refusal to modernize the February 2007 predicate date will cause a modern day prohibition of products that are recognized worldwide as far less hazardous than cigarettes.
If the FDA's rule is not changed by Congress or the courts, thousands of small businesses will close in two to three years. Tens of thousands of jobs will be lost and consumer choice will be annihilated. Absurdly, ex-smokers will face the prospect of having to purchase products that help them remain smoke-free on the black market."
This is not regulation -- it is prohibition that will cost lives, kill jobs, and further entrench America's largest cigarette companies. Congratulations Mitch Zeller.
Comment from Greg Conley (@GregTHR), President of the American Vaping Association (@AVABoard)
Harm reduction advocates have long warned that FDA 'regulation' of vapor products would resemble prohibition far more than reasonable regulation. Today, these warnings became reality. The FDA's refusal to modernize the February 2007 predicate date will cause a modern day prohibition of products that are recognized worldwide as far less hazardous than cigarettes.
If the FDA's rule is not changed by Congress or the courts, thousands of small businesses will close in two to three years. Tens of thousands of jobs will be lost and consumer choice will be annihilated. Absurdly, ex-smokers will face the prospect of having to purchase products that help them remain smoke-free on the black market."
This is not regulation -- it is prohibition that will cost lives, kill jobs, and further entrench America's largest cigarette companies. Congratulations Mitch Zeller.
So from what I gather, in 2 years (possibly 3 years) these rules will go into effect and assuming they are enforced and I understood them correctly (always doubtful), vaping as we know of it today will no longer exist.
If that is correct, I'm sad but not completely surprised. It's easy to point fingers, but in the end I'm not sure it matters "why", I guess the important parts are it's happening and preparation.
I said this in another thread before (somewhere), vaping to me is not a tool it's a hobby... It's something I enjoy in all its aspects. If I vape for 50 more years, so be it. If I quit tomorrow, again so be it. (I'm sure most of you feel differently)
I'm a person who never smoked cigarettes... I did smoke cigars, about 3 a day. I personally switched to vaping because I was worried about the second hand cigar smoke for my grandkids. My intent was never to quit cigars entirely, just to vape as an alternative to smoking in my house. And I enjoyed it so much, I rarely smoke cigars anymore.... From 3 a day to 1 every 3-4 months if that.
Not sure if big tobacco is throwing it's weight around?
Not sure if all the irresponsible media reports of exploding mods contributed?
Not sure if they simply want to tax ELIQUID like tobacco?
I'm nowhere near as educated in politics/government as many of you in here, but I'm assuming these rulings today will become concrete?
If that is correct, I'm sad but not completely surprised. It's easy to point fingers, but in the end I'm not sure it matters "why", I guess the important parts are it's happening and preparation.
I said this in another thread before (somewhere), vaping to me is not a tool it's a hobby... It's something I enjoy in all its aspects. If I vape for 50 more years, so be it. If I quit tomorrow, again so be it. (I'm sure most of you feel differently)
I'm a person who never smoked cigarettes... I did smoke cigars, about 3 a day. I personally switched to vaping because I was worried about the second hand cigar smoke for my grandkids. My intent was never to quit cigars entirely, just to vape as an alternative to smoking in my house. And I enjoyed it so much, I rarely smoke cigars anymore.... From 3 a day to 1 every 3-4 months if that.
Not sure if big tobacco is throwing it's weight around?
Not sure if all the irresponsible media reports of exploding mods contributed?
Not sure if they simply want to tax ELIQUID like tobacco?
I'm nowhere near as educated in politics/government as many of you in here, but I'm assuming these rulings today will become concrete?
Personally, I think this stinks and is clearly a bow to big tobacco. I will still build my mods and mix my liquid...and get the latest atomizer from FT.
So who wants to help a guy out? Does anyone have a CAD design for a stainless or aluminum faceplate that they never used or don't plan too? I want to get one milled for my stabwood DNA75 but suck at designing
In my opinion it wasn't a bow to big tobacco, it was written by them.
I hate to turn this into a political thread, but the "no free samples" part of this, I'm guessing that means that if any B&M stores were to survive, you wouldn't be able to sample flavors at the tasting bar.
I read an article about this affecting the cigar industry, since that is also of interest to me, and cigar aficionado mentions how this will effect their upcoming trade show in Vegas where samples are a huge part... I guess a work around would be to charge $1.00 or heck, even a penny for them?
I know it says the 90 days for the law to start, so when will vape shops start to close? (seriously?)
I read an article about this affecting the cigar industry, since that is also of interest to me, and cigar aficionado mentions how this will effect their upcoming trade show in Vegas where samples are a huge part... I guess a work around would be to charge $1.00 or heck, even a penny for them?
I know it says the 90 days for the law to start, so when will vape shops start to close? (seriously?)
no idea but i wonder if/how ecf can survive without ad revenue
They have ads?
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