Can barely understand how many of them survive as it is. Course what they charge for liquid....
Back when I first went into a B&M vape shop I made a comment concerning all those kids (not minors, I'm old) lining up at the counter to buy vape stuff, I said "hey these are the same kids that would have been lining up at the liquor store to buy cigarettes, this is great" Just a bit of relection.
OMG, I spent time reading through some of the 499 pages, this is just flipping crazy.
The estimated (by the FDA) amount of time to apply for an Ecig related permit is about 300 man-hours per product. Each flavor and strength combination counts as a different product, each atty, mod, etc counts as a different product. This does not include any testing you must present to substantiate adherence to the regulations. They just put every Mom & Pop shop, that mixes their own juice, out of business. A small shops only hope is to ONLY use published "Master Files" (files detailing a full analysis of the ingredient) from the actual manufacturer. This would save them the testing $$ but still would not relieve them of the 300 man-hours of paperwork per product.
Also, a Vape shop will only be able to sell mods and attys that the manufacturer (like Eleaf) gets FDA approved. With the ruling that any product must be "predicated" (ie already on the market) by Feb 15th 2007, it assures that none of todays products will ever get approval.
While many of the comments, made since the first draft of the Deeming Regulations was published, were addressed in this final revision, NO concessions were made except for flavors not being forbidden. They systematically discounted every comment that was submitted.
This is absolutely DRACONIAN!!!!!!
The estimated (by the FDA) amount of time to apply for an Ecig related permit is about 300 man-hours per product. Each flavor and strength combination counts as a different product, each atty, mod, etc counts as a different product. This does not include any testing you must present to substantiate adherence to the regulations. They just put every Mom & Pop shop, that mixes their own juice, out of business. A small shops only hope is to ONLY use published "Master Files" (files detailing a full analysis of the ingredient) from the actual manufacturer. This would save them the testing $$ but still would not relieve them of the 300 man-hours of paperwork per product.
Also, a Vape shop will only be able to sell mods and attys that the manufacturer (like Eleaf) gets FDA approved. With the ruling that any product must be "predicated" (ie already on the market) by Feb 15th 2007, it assures that none of todays products will ever get approval.
While many of the comments, made since the first draft of the Deeming Regulations was published, were addressed in this final revision, NO concessions were made except for flavors not being forbidden. They systematically discounted every comment that was submitted.
This is absolutely DRACONIAN!!!!!!
Bought, paid for and delivered by BT and do-gooders. Common sense, actual proof and the real world have nothing to do with it.
Any one want to bet, BT's E-cig all ready complies. It wont even skip a beat, probably be the only choice too real soon 
Funny how this all works
Funny how this all works 
I didn't read the 500 page rule book, but I think we all knew this whole thing would become reality.
I feel bad for the local vape shop owners, but have to wonder if some loop hole will come along (or is there already) that keeps them open to some degree, like the "smoke shops" that are all over the place now?
Those stores are skating the line now and have been forever.
I feel bad for the local vape shop owners, but have to wonder if some loop hole will come along (or is there already) that keeps them open to some degree, like the "smoke shops" that are all over the place now?
Those stores are skating the line now and have been forever.
I think the dark market is going to do really good. Everyone will be going to DIY and cut the government regulators out of the picture. The only people who will suffer unfortunately are those that can't DIY and vape shops. Wondering how evolve and other board producers weather the storm.
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It will be hard to stop the hardware. All they have to do is market a mod "for Aromatherapy use only" or whatever. Where they can/will get us is regulating the nicotine.
So then all rba and rta will be re-marketed as aroma therapy labeled not intended for use with
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Yep, just like they do with water pipes (8ongs) for that other substance that has been illegal for decades. The fact that the green leafy stuff is illegal has not stopped the paraphernalia a bit.
haven't had a chance to read - it's cleaning day here
but this fella thinks otherwise
Yeah, I read that part of what the FDA is trying to do, but realistically speaking, the FDA is dreaming.haven't had a chance to read - it's cleaning day here
For example, the FDA specifically cites batteries as being part of an "ENDS" (electronic nicotine delivery system) and therefor subject to regulation. This is the same 18650 I use in a ton of flashlights, RC toys, and even my girlfriends vibrator. The only way they can regulate an 18650 is if it is "marketed" for vape use. There is no way they could regulate Sony VC5s or Samsung 18650s, but they could regulate "VapePower" batteries.
It will be the same way for other stuff we use. Kanthal wire has many legitimate uses outside of vaping, no way they could regulate it, but a kanthal pre-wound Clapton Coil might be able to be regulated. As long as a reasonable non-ENDS use can be presented, they wont be able to touch it. And I am sure that vendors will stretch the term "reasonable" as far they can.
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