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@cigatron So with the 1C theory a 4200mAH 26650 should be safe to charge at 2 amps?
Thats 1/2C Correct?
The 1C charging rule is for Lithium Polymer batteries. Not sure I'd follow that for Lithium Ion batteries. I wouldn't go more than 1a on any round cell battery.
 

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The 1C charging rule is for Lithium Polymer batteries. Not sure I'd follow that for Lithium Ion batteries. I wouldn't go more than 1a on any round cell battery.
So is the cell getting hot/ warm the warning? If they stay cool at 2 amps is it then ok to keep charging them there?
I have been reading lots of different opinions on line about what is/ isn't acceptable charge rates for 18650'a,26650's 20700's.
It seems hard to wade thru the crap to find a definitive answer :(
I'm just trying to cut down my charge times on the 26650's & the 20700's.
The 18650's I don't mind the .5 amp charge but the bigger cells take for ever @ .5 amps :(
 

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So is the cell getting hot/ warm the warning? If they stay cool at 2 amps is it then ok to keep charging them there?
I have been reading lots of different opinions on line about what is/ isn't acceptable charge rates for 18650'a,26650's 20700's.
It seems hard to wade thru the crap to find a definitive answer :(
I'm just trying to cut down my charge times on the 26650's & the 20700's.
The 18650's I don't mind the .5 amp charge but the bigger cells take for ever @ .5 amps :(
Yes but even if they don't get warm, high amp charging lessens the useful life of the battery. You just need to balance how often you want to replace batteries vs how fast you want your mod charged.
 

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@cigatron So with the 1C theory a 4200mAH 26650 should be safe to charge at 2 amps?
Thats 1/2C Correct?

Charging a 4200mah Li-Ion at 1C (4.2 amps) would be safe but as KTMrider said it would not be good for battery life. Charging at 1/2C (2.1 amps) would be much better for your battery's lifespan.

So is the cell getting hot/ warm the warning? If they stay cool at 2 amps is it then ok to keep charging them there?
I have been reading lots of different opinions on line about what is/ isn't acceptable charge rates for 18650'a,26650's 20700's.
It seems hard to wade thru the crap to find a definitive answer :(
I'm just trying to cut down my charge times on the 26650's & the 20700's.
The 18650's I don't mind the .5 amp charge but the bigger cells take for ever @ .5 amps :(

Yes, temperature is a good indicator of overcharge/overdischarge of batteries of all types. I suspect that your 4100 mah 26650 cells will be cool-warm but not warm-hot at a 2 amp charge rate. They are physically larger than 18650's and that helps with heat absorbtion/dissipation.
 

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I suspect that your 4100 mah 26650 cells will be cool-warm but not warm-hot at a 2 amp charge rate. They are physically larger than 18650's and that helps with heat absorbtion/dissipation.
I don't think so. A bigger cell has a higher volume (and capacity) to surface area ratio. That makes it more difficult for a bigger cell to dissipate heat.
 

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I don't think so. A bigger cell has a higher volume (and capacity) to surface area ratio. That makes it more difficult for a bigger cell to dissipate heat.

Well, that's true for heat dissipation (larger is not better) Thanks for catching that.
 

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The larger volume of bigger batteries has a large effect on max charge current, that and the chemistry. The chemistry can change the total mah and max output current drastically, typically inversely proportional to each other. A larger cell with identical chemistry as a smaller cell can handle higher charge current while maintaining the same internal temp. This is due to the ratio of incoming charging current to mm^2 of electrolyte contained within the cell. As a bonus the larger cell will have a higher mah rating.
If the charge current exceeds the absorbtion rate of the cell heat will be created as a result. As more heat is created the electrolyte becomes runny and can migrate within the cell, this is what damages cells during the charge cycle from what I've read.
That's about all I know about Lithium batteries from what I've read. After all, I'm no Mooch.
 

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