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An update on my trench/conduit project. The trench is still full of leaves. I spent over a day looking and asking around for a 1-1/4" masonry bit. The closest I could get was a 1-1/4" core bit for $130.00. Not exactly "cost effective" for drilling two holes. I spent some time at Home Despot talking with the guy in the rental area, hoping he had something, but that core bit was the only thing and would have only drilled about three inches deep before I would have had to chip out the core. He was surprised that the foundation is about seven inches thick. To add to the fun, it's full of aggregate which makes drilling any hole a lot of work.

I was disgusted at that point and decided not to run conduit and the cables I have are rated for direct burial anyway...then I looked at that nice trench, thought about all the digging I had done and decided to use 1/2" conduit instead of 3/4" conduit. That means I'll have to cut the RJ45 off one end of each camera cable and re-terminate them. I've probably done 50K RJ45s over the years and have a nice AMP crimper but no RJ45s. Why do they only sell them on packs of 100? I only need two!

I've got three holes through the foundation already. Two are 1/2" and one is 1". I need to widen out the two 1/2" to 1" to fit the 1/2" conduit. I had a 1" masonry bit that I've used a few times, previously, and thought I could get the holes done with that. No such luck, now I need another 1" bit and I was just at Home Despot and Lowes earlier today. Another trip but I'll do that tomorrow on the way to Costco. With any luck, not likely, I'll be putting in conduit on Monday.
 

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An update on my trench/conduit project. The trench is still full of leaves. I spent over a day looking and asking around for a 1-1/4" masonry bit. The closest I could get was a 1-1/4" core bit for $130.00. Not exactly "cost effective" for drilling two holes. I spent some time at Home Despot talking with the guy in the rental area, hoping he had something, but that core bit was the only thing and would have only drilled about three inches deep before I would have had to chip out the core. He was surprised that the foundation is about seven inches thick. To add to the fun, it's full of aggregate which makes drilling any hole a lot of work.

I was disgusted at that point and decided not to run conduit and the cables I have are rated for direct burial anyway...then I looked at that nice trench, thought about all the digging I had done and decided to use 1/2" conduit instead of 3/4" conduit. That means I'll have to cut the RJ45 off one end of each camera cable and re-terminate them. I've probably done 50K RJ45s over the years and have a nice AMP crimper but no RJ45s. Why do they only sell them on packs of 100? I only need two!

I've got three holes through the foundation already. Two are 1/2" and one is 1". I need to widen out the two 1/2" to 1" to fit the 1/2" conduit. I had a 1" masonry bit that I've used a few times, previously, and thought I could get the holes done with that. No such luck, now I need another 1" bit and I was just at Home Despot and Lowes earlier today. Another trip but I'll do that tomorrow on the way to Costco. With any luck, not likely, I'll be putting in conduit on Monday.
Damn, that sounds like some of my recent home improvement efforts. What seems like it will be easy turns out to be a major undertaking.

Oh, and consider yourself lucky, my basement is 9" thick and also full of small stones. I have only ever drilled one hole through it, to run an 1/2" pipe from my air compressor to the outside, and I vowed then that if I ever need another hole drilled through it, I will just hire someone with better tools.
 

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An update on my trench/conduit project. The trench is still full of leaves. I spent over a day looking and asking around for a 1-1/4" masonry bit. The closest I could get was a 1-1/4" core bit for $130.00. Not exactly "cost effective" for drilling two holes. I spent some time at Home Despot talking with the guy in the rental area, hoping he had something, but that core bit was the only thing and would have only drilled about three inches deep before I would have had to chip out the core. He was surprised that the foundation is about seven inches thick. To add to the fun, it's full of aggregate which makes drilling any hole a lot of work.

I was disgusted at that point and decided not to run conduit and the cables I have are rated for direct burial anyway...then I looked at that nice trench, thought about all the digging I had done and decided to use 1/2" conduit instead of 3/4" conduit. That means I'll have to cut the RJ45 off one end of each camera cable and re-terminate them. I've probably done 50K RJ45s over the years and have a nice AMP crimper but no RJ45s. Why do they only sell them on packs of 100? I only need two!

I've got three holes through the foundation already. Two are 1/2" and one is 1". I need to widen out the two 1/2" to 1" to fit the 1/2" conduit. I had a 1" masonry bit that I've used a few times, previously, and thought I could get the holes done with that. No such luck, now I need another 1" bit and I was just at Home Despot and Lowes earlier today. Another trip but I'll do that tomorrow on the way to Costco. With any luck, not likely, I'll be putting in conduit on Monday.

I'd run the cables through the wall then run the conduit, or try a "star drill", they are manual but they work well if you keep and edge on them. I was trying to find a good pic that showed the business end, this is the best I could come up with, this one is five pointed, all I have seen are four pointed. Any place they sell masonry tools should have them, they come in all different sizes and lengths, the old fashion way of drilling holes in cement.

Got all my outside work done, now I can hibernate and give the ole body a rest! :thumbs:

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Willie, I've used star drills and actually asked for them in both Lowes and Home Despot. The tool "gurus" had no idea what a start drill was until I explained it to them. That made me feel older than I already am! Then, they both said "oh yeah, we have cold chisels", like a cold chisel is a star drill. I wouldn't want to try going through seven inches of poured concrete with one, chisel or star drill. It'd take a day or two to get one hole through, let alone two. My name ain't Andy Dufresne.

I have a medium sized Milwaukee roto hammer and that does a decent job. The problem is keeping enough pressure on it, especially as the hole size increases, to cut reliably. To put in in perspective, I drill a 1/4" pilot hole first. Those are about six inch long bits from Bosch. Drilling the two pilot holes I drilled today literally turned a brand new, good/high quality, bit into a blunt point before the second hole was at full depth. I bought a new, 1/2" bit, by Milwaukee, that is designed to handle rebar as well and that did a much quicker job. Now to take them both out to 1", maybe tomorrow after my shopping trip and other chores.
 

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All carbide tipped masonry bits can be sharpened on a bench grinder, I do it often. You have to go slow and quench in water often to keep it cool. It will gouge an aluminum oxide grinding wheel pretty fast so I keep a wheel around just for sharpening carbide bits.
BTW, your drills will stay sharp longer if you drill a little and then clear the dust. Excess dust in the hole overheats the carbide, so does applying too much pressure while drilling.
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If I had a bench grinder I might try that, I'm cheap. The trick is to balance the pressure to the material. Hitting aggregate "head on" kind of slows things down. I learned, very early in my masonry drilling "career", that the bit needs to be pulled out of the hole regularly, depending on how fast it's actually drilling, to prevent the spoils from clogging things and overheating the whole shaft of the bit not to mention the tip.

It is funny how what appears to be a "simple" project turns into a "holy crap what did I get into" project in one easy step. To complicate things I had bought 3/4" liquid tight conduit to run up the trees where the cameras are located. Now, I've got to use reducers to match that to the 1/2" PVC. I had pre-cut and painted the liquid tight in anticipation of 3/4" PVC so no going down to 1/2".

I originally thought about drilling through the sill of the framing but that would have meant exposed conduit at the house end of things. Then I decided to go through the foundation. It's been a downhill journey from there.
 

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