Evolv-ing Thread

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Alright I'll try the boiling water. One thing I can say for that wire is that it's consistently, or inconsistently .3ohms lower than it should be with my standard build. Oh well, I've got 4 spools of it, need to use it.

The lower res isn't so much a concern as the wire's tcr value, it's lower than it should be, that's why you have to lock the res at a higher value. Essentially you're just tricking the mod into thinking it has to reach a higher tfr value to reach your set temp. As you suspected raising the tcr value in escribe will fix the problem (for that particular wire).
There is another test that can be used for setting tcr that works, the dry cotton browning test. It works the same as the water boiling test and some prefer it over the water boiling test because it is performed at 420°f instead of 212°f ie at a closer temp to our normal vaping temps.

Dry Cotton Browning Test:
Dryburn and rewick with new cotton, set temp to 420°f with plenty of power, fire the mod for approx 5 sec, check wick for very slight light brown discoloration, adjust tcr as necessary.

Tip: Use a long piece of wicking so that it can be slid over after each test fire. This is most helpful if the tcr is too high and is burning the wick.

ETA: Just so I don't forget I annotate the approx tcr value on the wire spool. I have spools of SS430 with tcr values ranging from .00120 to .00146 written on them, so it can be way off.

EETA: I almost forgot! Don't use claptons or any type of multistrand coils for your tcr test. Use single strand wire slightly spaced coils for your tests as this increases the likelihood of establishing a solid connection at the post screws and eliminates the chance of having hotspots.
 
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    @kiba I usually do the Dry Cotton Browning Test with any new spool of wire. I scribble on my spools as well. I do a few other things as well as @cigatron. I usually test what temp my cotton will singe at first with a nickel coil as I've found it can vary probably due to moisture, etc. Then I'll create like 4 custom TCR starting near your expected value .00138 So probably 140, 145, 150, 155. Load 'em up in separate profiles, and starting with the highest, see if it scorches. If it does, I'll work my way down. When I find the two values between no singe and singe, I'll create TCR profiles this time 1 apart, and start at the middle value. Quick and easy to swap between profiles

    The much easier way, IMHO would be to create an excel formula where you use a high TCR value starting point (like 170), find the temp of the singe. Look at the value at that temp (material screen, hover over the rise line), then mathematically work backwards to solve for the TCR.

    I might sound like a cracker.
     
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    At the check out screen I could not click on the free shipping button, I also could NOT click on any other shipping option,,, so I left it blank and hit purchase to see what shipping option would take. That's when I sent the request for cancel order.

    Then the order should not have been processed, you should not have been charged and the order should have been halted, I'd save any messages and emails. I often will either print pages to PDF files as I'm working through the pages to make a payment when I'm dealing with a company for the first few times so I have proof. The snipping tool is also a good way to save screen shots, I always make sure to include the URL at the top.
     

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    I put a couple DNA 75 boards in those hana reference mods sold by zbbmods on ebay, have them running off 18650's, I also have one running off three single 900mah lipo cells I wired in parallel. Not really liking the shorter run time I get off the 18650 I wished I had more of the single 900 cells but didn't want to buy them. Got thinking about it this morning and decided to see if I could unsolder the lipo that came with the mod kits and rewire it to parallel, to my pleasant surprise I found the tabs on those have copper tabs spot welded to the aluminum tabs coming out of the lipo cells, it's very easy to unsolder and separate them. I've got plenty of the lipo's, I'll reconfigure them for the 75's and the 75C's I'm building, I can also make up a 4S for the 250C I'm building. I won't have to buy any battery's! :thumbs:

    These are the battery's
    AS 950mah 3s 11.1v LiPo Battery High Quality | eBay

    A link to the mod kits, but I'm sure everyone has already seen them.
    HANA MODZ DNA 250 200 75 Do It Yourself ( DIY ) Mod kit Billet 11 colors | eBay
     

    mikepetro

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    I put a couple DNA 75 boards in those hana reference mods sold by zbbmods on ebay, have them running off 18650's, I also have one running off three single 900mah lipo cells I wired in parallel. Not really liking the shorter run time I get off the 18650 I wished I had more of the single 900 cells but didn't want to buy them. Got thinking about it this morning and decided to see if I could unsolder the lipo that came with the mod kits and rewire it to parallel, to my pleasant surprise I found the tabs on those have copper tabs spot welded to the aluminum tabs coming out of the lipo cells, it's very easy to unsolder and separate them. I've got plenty of the lipo's, I'll reconfigure them for the 75's and the 75C's I'm building, I can also make up a 4S for the 250C I'm building. I won't have to buy any battery's! :thumbs:

    These are the battery's
    AS 950mah 3s 11.1v LiPo Battery High Quality | eBay

    A link to the mod kits, but I'm sure everyone has already seen them.
    HANA MODZ DNA 250 200 75 Do It Yourself ( DIY ) Mod kit Billet 11 colors | eBay
    For only $3 more, get the whole Mod kit, it comes with the same battery.
     

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    The snipping tool is also a good way to save screen shots, I always make sure to include the URL at the top.



    I love the sniping tool - I use it for work a lot !
    Pull it down and grab the date and time too.
     

    cigatron

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    I usually test what temp my cotton will singe at first with a nickel coil as I've found it can vary probably due to moisture, etc. Then I'll create like 4 custom TCR starting near your expected value .00138 So probably 140, 145, 150, 155. Load 'em up in separate profiles, and starting with the highest, see if it scorches. If it does, I'll work my way down. When I find the two values between no singe and singe, I'll create TCR profiles this time 1 apart, and start at the middle value. Quick and easy to swap between profiles
    Brilliant! Next time I'll do that. You think'um good!
     

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    So un update on the Warranty Service DX. The iso didn't work :(
    I first thought the juice in the mod was the cause? But maybe it wasn't?
    After the Iso bath didn't work, I put in a new 200 :)
    I put my Big Kay-Fun back on & check atty?
    I open it & the wick was burnt right out of the coil! The coil was cooked, broken on both ends.
    This is why the juice leaked out, & it juiced the mod. But what happened to the coil & wick?
    The last time I hit it, it was fine. So just sitting there with no one touching it, the coil was cooked & the wick burnt! So what happened? The battery is fine.
    Any ways it's fixed & working great again :)
     

    cigatron

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    So un update on the Warranty Service DX. The iso didn't work :(
    I first thought the juice in the mod was the cause? But maybe it wasn't?
    After the Iso bath didn't work, I put in a new 200 :)
    I put my Big Kay-Fun back on & check atty?
    I open it & the wick was burnt right out of the coil! The coil was cooked, broken on both ends.
    This is why the juice leaked out, & it juiced the mod. But what happened to the coil & wick?
    The last time I hit it, it was fine. So just sitting there with no one touching it, the coil was cooked & the wick burnt! So what happened? The battery is fine.
    Any ways it's fixed & working great again :)

    If it was a relatively new muti-strand coil it could have hot legged and cooked itself. I had that happen once to newish clapton build because the post screws loosened with thermal cycling. Since then I retighten the post screws after 10ml or so.
     
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    If it hot legged it would make sense that tc wouldn't catch it in time because the legs are like 8 times shorter than the rest of the wire in the coil. If the legs were heating up quickly but the rest of the coil wasn't then most of the rise in res was happening in the legs. The mod kept throwing power at the coil in an attempt to reach the proper tfr value and as a result the legs were heated too close to the melting point.
     

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    If it hot legged it would make sense that tc wouldn't catch it in time because the legs are like 8 times shorter than the rest of the wire in the coil. If the legs were heating up quickly but the rest of the coil wasn't then most of the rise in res was happening in the legs. The mod kept throwing power at the coil in an attempt to reach the proper tfr value and as a result the legs were heated too close to the melting point.

    Sounds feasible?
    I'm not complaining, I got my money's worth out of this DX :)
    This is exactly the reasoning behind all the spare DNA's I have :)
     

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