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Curious what you guys think...

Worth it to swap the DNA25 board in my single 18650 squonker (collecting dust) for one of the DNA40 boards in my tibs'eses. I'm thinking the battery not lasting as long would be too much of a trade off.
If the extra power will bring it back into rotation/use go for it, battery life will be almost the same watt for watt, though the 40 would use a little more in temp mode having a more powerful preheat.
 

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out of curosity, has anybody else noticed a rash of lousy battery capacity post subohming...Ive had a rash run of depleted capacity 25Rs since switching over the last few months...almost seems like all at once...most of them were 12-16months old...say about a dozen plus between two users....just curious
thinking about running several through the CBA and comparing against new just for the heck of it...some seem down to a 1/3rd or worse
 

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out of curosity, has anybody else noticed a rash of lousy battery capacity post subohming...Ive had a rash run of depleted capacity 25Rs since switching over the last few months...almost seems like all at once...most of them were 12-16months old...say about a dozen plus between two users....just curious
thinking about running several through the CBA and comparing against new just for the heck of it...some seem down to a 1/3rd or worse
Most LiIon batteries have a 300-500 charge cycle lifetime. Less if you use them down to 3.1v or lower and high amp charging and draw. If you used them for 12-16 months, they're done.
 

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After having read the article, it seems to me that we only need to change one thing really. Follow me will you...

There were 25 incidents cited over a course of 5 years, while not good, definitely a tiny amount compared to the 2.5 million users, also cited in the article.

Almost all of the incidents occurred while the device was charging, and most were stated by the owner as not using the supplied charger.

The advanced mods weren't the cause of any of the incidents, again because of the chargers that we use being cited as the main reasoning.

So...

While not as convenient as a USB charger or charge cable...let's quit supplying the pen type style of mods, mentioned as the main, if not sole, culprit, with USB adaptable chargers. If it's a hard wired plug type that has a proprietary type connector for the device I believe all of the "boom, explosion, fire, chaos" goes away. We can't count on the general public to know crap about anything, especially not electronics...also stated in the article, but in nicer terminology.

Time to hand the secretly taken, but only for a moment, soapbox back to the man. Sorry Mike but you were busy eating tacos.
 

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After having read the article, it seems to me that we only need to change one thing really. Follow me will you...

There were 25 incidents cited over a course of 5 years, while not good, definitely a tiny amount compared to the 2.5 million users, also cited in the article.

Almost all of the incidents occurred while the device was charging, and most were stated by the owner as not using the supplied charger.

The advanced mods weren't the cause of any of the incidents, again because of the chargers that we use being cited as the main reasoning.

So...

While not as convenient as a USB charger or charge cable...let's quit supplying the pen type style of mods, mentioned as the main, if not sole, culprit, with USB adaptable chargers. If it's a hard wired plug type that has a proprietary type connector for the device I believe all of the "boom, explosion, fire, chaos" goes away. We can't count on the general public to know crap about anything, especially not electronics...also stated in the article, but in nicer terminology.

Time to hand the secretly taken, but only for a moment, soapbox back to the man. Sorry Mike but you were busy eating tacos.

Not sure which article you are referring to, can I get a link I'd like to read it.
The rest of the electronics industry seems to have a good track with USB charging so if that is the problem then seems to me the manufactures just need to follow the USB standards and LiIon safety protocols properly instead of creating proprietary connections. I would assume they are "cheaping out" in design to save a few pennies. There would still be a few end users that DIY there own cords or chargers or do something stupid like that, but you should be able to use any manufactured USB cord that will fit the device with any manufactured USB host outlet without safety concerns.
 

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Non-regulated devices can have battery protection as well, (think fuses) the average one simply doesnt. Yes, I think they are among the most dangerous mods out there, but safety comes with education, and those who educate themselves should be fine. Problem is that NOTHING requires anyone to educate themselves first, and many people simply wont be bothered. I see our biggest challenge in trying to protect the new user, the one who doesnt know an ohm from an Amp, but he wants to quit smoking, and he wants the most powerful device he can find. How do we protect that individual? 50% of people wont even read the instructions, let alone about battery safety.

There are a multitude of different capacity C3 batteries out there, and all of them fit the same tools. Besides, whats wrong with matching a battery to a load. Some people like 18500s, other like lipos. I just think they BOTH should be protected.

See Appendix I in this for 3 pages of headlines that generate public hysteria against vaping:
https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/electronic_cigarettes.pdf
Its actually a decent appraisal of ecigs considering it was issued by the government.

It doesnt matter whether it was "stupidity" or hardware failure. The press gets a hold of it and sensationalizes it. Then politicians jump on the bandwagon trying to restrict it. Safety need to be inherent in order to minimize the Headlines..........
I ťhink he was talking about the link in this message.

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Yes. That article. One of the two things needs to change. If you're designing a mod that can't handle the current that some of these usb adapters are putting out...proprietary connector. If you are designing a mod that can...standard usb would be fine. The most bothersome part about it are the stories I've seen recently where the mod has been abused, or rigged, and blows...we look bad. Some idiot decides to charge his mod with the non-provided usb while leaving it on the window sill in June...we look bad. Another drops his 18650 into his pocket with his keys and...we look bad. Fixing stupid will never happen...but limiting those of us that buy the better mods and do the research and know what we're doing shouldn't be relegated to the restrictions of those that don't bother to care. If I had to go back to a weak starter kit I'd quit vaping. As it stands now, if that FAA amendment passes I don't know what I'm going to do when it comes to air travel.
 
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I'm still not sure that FAA amendment precludes you from carrying on your person, in a purse, or a laptop bag. The wording seems to (by my non lawyer reading) cover "carry on". A purse, 1 laptop bag, and items on person are not considered "carry on" in existing regulation since they will not be stowed but instead remain with the passenger. "Carry on" is the same as "checked" except it is stowed in the passenger cabin instead of in the hold. If anyone has any links to something by legal types that clarifies one way or the other I would like to see it.
 

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Most LiIon batteries have a 300-500 charge cycle lifetime. Less if you use them down to 3.1v or lower and high amp charging and draw. If you used them for 12-16 months, they're done.
Sure theres some standard degredation but considering a dozen or so batteries spread across multiple mods Im figuring an average 150-200 charge cycles...some more some less, but the degredation instead of 10-30% is falling below 50%...all on regulated mods so they arent being run into the ground at least that way...just seems kinda extreme..
 
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I'm noticing degradation in battery capacity, too, and I track every charge on every battery. I have a total of eight LG-HE2s in use at the moment. Four were being used in an IPV2, two in an Invader Mini and two more in my low tank DNA40. Over time, the IPV2 has gotten less and less use, especially since the DNA200 arrived.

Anywho, I decided to use the four that had been being used in the IPV in the low tank DNA40 and vice versa, given that the low tank is my most heavily used mod. Those four batteries, despite having only about 80 charge cycles on them, have less capacity than the other two pairs which have more charge cycles, over 100 per pair. I think this is a result of those four just sitting, basically at full charge, and not being used.

I guess I should have discharged them down to 3.7 volts or so if they weren't being used. Hindsight is always 20-20. I think the moral of the story is to use the batteries rather them letting them sit idle.
 

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Sure theres some standard degredation but considering a dozen or so batteries spread across multiple mods Im figuring an average 150-200 charge cycles...some more some less, but the degredation instead of 10-30% is falling below 50%...all on regulated mods so they arent being run into the ground at least that way...just seems kinda extreme..
They used to only get 150-200 charges cycles. But especially since the big crazy to use lithium in automobiles, a lot of research has gone into getting far more recharges. As it is just too expensive to change the batteries every 6 months in automobiles. And some manufactures are getting up to 2000 recharges nowadays. And I am sure it is only going to get better in time.
 

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I'm noticing degradation in battery capacity, too, and I track every charge on every battery. I have a total of eight LG-HE2s in use at the moment. Four were being used in an IPV2, two in an Invader Mini and two more in my low tank DNA40. Over time, the IPV2 has gotten less and less use, especially since the DNA200 arrived.

Anywho, I decided to use the four that had been being used in the IPV in the low tank DNA40 and vice versa, given that the low tank is my most heavily used mod. Those four batteries, despite having only about 80 charge cycles on them, have less capacity than the other two pairs which have more charge cycles, over 100 per pair. I think this is a result of those four just sitting, basically at full charge, and not being used.

I guess I should have discharged them down to 3.7 volts or so if they weren't being used. Hindsight is always 20-20. I think the moral of the story is to use the batteries rather them letting them sit idle.
Yeah..that too...Im guilty of charging them full and setting them aside...just so many going lousy all within a short period seems untypical

They used to only get 150-200 charges cycles. But especially since the big crazy to use lithium in automobiles, a lot of research has gone into getting far more recharges. As it is just too expensive to change the batteries every 6 months in automobiles. And some manufactures are getting up to 2000 recharges nowadays. And I am sure it is only going to get better in time.

Im wondering if the newer high drain nickle chemistry might be going the other way?..or perhaps its a crappy batch of 25Rs or something...just wondering
 

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Been in Slovakia a week now. Haven't seen the first ecig other than mine. Been semi stealth vaping anywhere I go, nobody has said a word.

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Mike doing something stealthy. Made my day.
 

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