Evolv-ing Thread

[Alexander Mundy]

Oh, and #2.....remember this is "foundational" deeming, nothing says flavors or anything specific for that matter can't be acted upon with new laws rules. (Only Congress can make law....Phhhhht...the Legislative branch has made the Alphabet agencies law makers and the Congress hasn't studied the Constitution enough to know better)

 

[Tpat591]

There isn't a fed law preventing smoking in privately owned businesses. However some local or state laws might cause this now that vaping is tobacco depending on the specific law. Fortunately our local ban specifically says ecigs are exempt from the ban so it's up to the business owner as it should be with tobacco as far as I am concerned.

By the FDA deeming vaping a tobacco product that may force a change superseding the local ordinance exemption of the ban should local leos choose to enforce under a complaint.

 

[Tpat591]

Does anyone have a link to a good post that explains the physics of wicking as it relates to the negative pressure developed in a tank holding back liquid/juice at the surface tension equalization point of the liquid suspended in the wick and how wicking works at various points in the process of vaping. Know I can explain it, but I would like to point to someone else work rather than do it myself.

Just getting too apathetic to bother doing the work in attempting to teach a troublesome why child a concept they will never again worry about once it is fully explained much less explain it themselves.

 

[Tpat591]

 

[Tpat591]

 

[tiburonfirst]

 

[SlickWilly]

By the FDA deeming vaping a tobacco product that may force a change superseding the local ordinance exemption of the ban should local leos choose to enforce under a complaint.

How can leo's enforce an fda rule?

They can't enforce civil law although sometimes they try too as a Sheriff did with me once when he threatened to arrest me if I didn't let the roofer I fired take the roofing materials. I showed him the down payment receipt that clearly stated "for materials" and still he threaten to arrest me for theft. Not wanting an arrest on my record and chance loosing my state licenses I let the roofer pack up the materials but only while the Sheriff was there watching. The next morning I was at the Sheriff's office speaking with Lee, the head Sheriff (who was good friends with my grandparents). I told Lee what happen, he shook his head, asked me if I wanted to file a complaint and I told him "No, I'm sure you'll take care of it." But I told him "Lee, hate to say this but your officer is responsible for the cost of those material's." The next day I had a check in my hand from the county. And the roofer, Lee investigated him, he got arrested to doing business without a licence.

 

[SlickWilly]

Does anyone have a link to a good post that explains the physics of wicking as it relates to the negative pressure developed in a tank holding back liquid/juice at the surface tension equalization point of the liquid suspended in the wick and how wicking works at various points in the process of vaping. Know I can explain it, but I would like to point to someone else work rather than do it myself.

Just getting too apathetic to bother doing the work in attempting to teach a troublesome why child a concept they will never again worry about once it is fully explained much less explain it themselves.

Ouch..... my head hurts.....

 

[awsum140]

Tpat, I was thinking about your question. I think the number of variables will be a problem when trying to describe what happens accurately. Temperature, and its effect of viscosity, and barometric pressure will knock the heck out of any accuracy and make it all kind of vague or best guess. The difference in pressure between the inside of the tank and surrounding air can't be all that great to start with, then add those variables and it'll turn into a mess.

 

[SlickWilly]

Tpat, I was thinking about your question. I think the number of variables will be a problem when trying to describe what happens accurately. Temperature, and its effect of viscosity, and barometric pressure will knock the heck out of any accuracy and make it all kind of vague or best guess. The difference in pressure between the inside of the tank and surrounding air can't be all that great to start with, then add those variables and it'll turn into a mess.

Add in heat from the coil, the heating then cooling off times. Also the wicking material, rayon wicks much better then cotton. Yeah there are a lot of variables, there goes my headache again LoL.

 

[awsum140]

I was just thinking about the internal tank pressure. Adding in wicking properties, and how well it was wicked in the first place, adds in a whole other set of infinite variables.

 

[BlueridgeDog]

Does anyone have a link to a good post that explains the physics of wicking as it relates to the negative pressure developed in a tank holding back liquid/juice at the surface tension equalization point of the liquid suspended in the wick and how wicking works at various points in the process of vaping. Know I can explain it, but I would like to point to someone else work rather than do it myself.

Just getting too apathetic to bother doing the work in attempting to teach a troublesome why child a concept they will never again worry about once it is fully explained much less explain it themselves.

Troublesome why child indeed. The wick blocks the holes, the juice we use has a high surface tension (why we use thick liquids). That tension allows the wick to get wet via capillary action, but not drip. As the juice is burned, the wick pulls more juice in (capillary action over coming surface tension). Small pressure differences will develop due to the capillary action and air will be pulled into the liquid chamber.

 

[KTMRider]

Troublesome why child indeed. The wick blocks the holes, the juice we use has a high surface tension (why we use thick liquids). That tension allows the wick to get wet via capillary action, but not drip. As the juice is burned, the wick pulls more juice in (capillary action over coming surface tension). Small pressure differences will develop due to the capillary action and air will be pulled into the liquid chamber.

But why?

 

[Tpat591]

How can leo's enforce an fda rule?

They can't enforce civil law although sometimes they try too as a Sheriff did with me once when he threatened to arrest me if I didn't let the roofer I fired take the roofing materials. I showed him the down payment receipt that clearly stated "for materials" and still he threaten to arrest me for theft. Not wanting an arrest on my record and chance loosing my state licenses I let the roofer pack up the materials but only while the Sheriff was there watching. The next morning I was at the Sheriff's office speaking with Lee, the head Sheriff (who was good friends with my grandparents). I told Lee what happen, he shook his head, asked me if I wanted to file a complaint and I told him "No, I'm sure you'll take care of it." But I told him "Lee, hate to say this but your officer is responsible for the cost of those material's." The next day I had a check in my hand from the county. And the roofer, Lee investigated him, he got arrested to doing business without a licence.

Under complaint from a parent of an idiot 17yr old kid who showed his daddy the lawyer his first new DNA200 Triade, VSDNA200, w/ genuine Kayfun atomizers he bought on the credit card linked to his daddy's account after sampling juice all afternoon at the local B&M using the fake ID he & his buddies bought.

A pi**ed off lawyer will always find a way.

 

[SlickWilly]

Under complaint from a parent of an idiot 17yr old kid who showed his daddy the lawyer his first new DNA200 Triade, VSDNA200, w/ genuine Kayfun atomizers he bought on the credit card linked to his daddy's account after sampling juice all afternoon at the local B&M using the fake ID he & his buddies bought.

A pi**ed off lawyer will always find a way.

I understand what your saying, but what under what law would an leo charge? These are regulations, it would be a violation of a regulation, not a law. It would be up to the FDA to enforce, not police. Police enforce criminal and traffic law. Think of it this way, a police officer arrest you for a vaping violation as above, you ask "What law did I break?", his answer would be?

 

[BillW50]

As the juice is burned...

Why would you burn your juice? Wouldn't vaporizing your juice be much safer for your lungs?

 

[BillW50]

I was about to add a Lost Vape Therion to my cart (my first DNA75) until I read....

• VW Minimum Resistance: 0.25Ω
• TC Minimum Resistance: 0.15Ω

Huh? What? 98% of my builds are nickel (I love nickel) and I never built any nickel coil that was 0.15 or higher. Hell to build dual nickel Clapton coils at 0.15, I would need my 28mm Mutation XL build deck with 25 wrap dual Clapton just to come out to 0.15. And I got to tell you, 75 watts isn't even going to vaporize anything with those massive coils.

 

[Tpat591]

Does anyone have a link to a good post that explains the physics of wicking as it relates to the negative pressure developed in a tank holding back liquid/juice at the surface tension equalization point of the liquid suspended in the wick and how wicking works at various points in the process of vaping. Know I can explain it, but I would like to point to someone else work rather than do it myself.

Just getting too apathetic to bother doing the work in attempting to teach a troublesome why child a concept they will never again worry about once it is fully explained much less explain it themselves.

Ouch..... my head hurts.....

Tpat, I was thinking about your question. I think the number of variables will be a problem when trying to describe what happens accurately. Temperature, and its effect of viscosity, and barometric pressure will knock the heck out of any accuracy and make it all kind of vague or best guess. The difference in pressure between the inside of the tank and surrounding air can't be all that great to start with, then add those variables and it'll turn into a mess.

Add in heat from the coil, the heating then cooling off times. Also the wicking material, rayon wicks much better then cotton. Yeah there are a lot of variables, there goes my headache again LoL.

Troublesome why child indeed. The wick blocks the holes, the juice we use has a high surface tension (why we use thick liquids). That tension allows the wick to get wet via capillary action, but not drip. As the juice is burned, the wick pulls more juice in (capillary action over coming surface tension). Small pressure differences will develop due to the capillary action and air will be pulled into the liquid chamber.

But why?

I wasn't asking you to do the work for me, just thought your familiarity with the forum would help me find the perfect wicking physics for dummies infographic my own searches couldn't turn up.

My thoughts exactly on all points.

I have explained it until blue in the face to someone I turned on to vaping who has taken apart every piece of equipment to clean but cannot put them back together without them leaking or flooding (putting parts back where he finds them is elusive). I go over once a week to rebuild them all, explain the process until blue in face, point out errors made, explain low pressure on pull & idle pressure allows air to enter tank through wick to equalize at surface tension, etc... When I leave, every thing works, a week later I'm doing it again.

This guy just doesn't want to quit smoking & sabotages his own efforts to do so. I don't personally care if he quits or not and he's got me frustrated enough to quit trying to help in his efforts (as I think it is goal anyway). I thought somewhere on this form there was a thread or post I could point him to that would explain the concept better than I could as I walk out the door telling him he is on his own & I'm done.

Thanks for your efforts though!

 

[KTMRider]

I was about to add a Lost Vape Therion to my cart (my first DNA75) until I read....

• VW Minimum Resistance: 0.25Ω
• TC Minimum Resistance: 0.15Ω

Huh? What? 98% of my builds are nickel (I love nickel) and I never built any nickel coil that was 0.15 or higher. Hell to build dual nickel Clapton coils at 0.15, I would need my 28mm Mutation XL build deck with 25 wrap dual Clapton just to come out to 0.15. And I got to tell you, 75 watts isn't even going to vaporize anything with those massive coils.

Typos. A DNA75 is a DNA75. I've vaped my .10Ω coil on my Silo DNA75's before.

 

[VapingBad]

I was about to add a Lost Vape Therion to my cart (my first DNA75) until I read....

• VW Minimum Resistance: 0.25Ω
• TC Minimum Resistance: 0.15Ω

Huh? What? 98% of my builds are nickel (I love nickel) and I never built any nickel coil that was 0.15 or higher. Hell to build dual nickel Clapton coils at 0.15, I would need my 28mm Mutation XL build deck with 25 wrap dual Clapton just to come out to 0.15. And I got to tell you, 75 watts isn't even going to vaporize anything with those massive coils.

I have had a 0.03 ohm dual ni build running on one, wouldn't recommender that, but they can do it. I have run a lot of 0.05 ohm ni builds with no prob.