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So I keep seeing mention of these magnetic stirrers. Anybody know where to get one cheap for DIY mixing?



I have seen some where the blade is made from thermoplastic (sold here as polymorph) that look neater, you can just hook up a PC fan to a 9 V battery for simple and cheap, anyway you get the idea from the video that you can easily make something effective for pennies.
 

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You know what though, I have a nice lab quality one, that even has built in clamps to hold a burette.

I never use it for mixing juice, too much trouble to drag it all out. Only time I use it is for doing titration testing of nic strength where I am adding reagent by the drop looking for a color change.

Whats your goal? Simple mixing, or speed steeping? Or both?
 

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Saw that one already and OMG, the level of non answer (especially from the gal that couldn't say anything but quote double speak from the regs) made me puke.
 

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Saw that one already and OMG, the level of non answer (especially from the gal that couldn't say anything but quote double speak from the regs) made me puke.

I started to watch it but can't make it through the whole thing, my blood pressure just can't take it. :-x Perfect example of a government entity run amuck, we really need a revolution so we can scrap the entire system and start over from scratch, it's too far gone now.
 

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For those of you just getting into DIY juice, let me share some of my journey.

In the beginning I was super .... about everything. I measured volumetricly (although mass measurement would have been even more precise), I tracked everything to the drop in a SS, acquired all sorts of lab paraphernalia, I tested nic concentration on every batch, I tried ultrasonic and thermal baths for speed steeping, magnetic stirrers for mixing, etc.. etc..

Over time what I figured out was that I was making WAY too big of a thing out of it. It does not have to be a science project.
  • "Assuming" you are making it for yourself, precision of nic concentration is no big deal. Close is good enough. Even if you are off by 5% in your measurements, 5% more/less of what the recipe calls for is no big deal. Vapers "self regulate". If a juice is 5% weaker your body will know and you will unconsciously vape a little more, if it is 5% stronger you will vape a little less.
  • If you leave a little headroom in the bottle, a couple of good shakes is all that is needed to mix the juice. I use an Erlenmeyer flask to mix my "master batch". I put the ingredients in, put my thumb over the opening and give it a good shake before bottling. The small concentrations of nic have never bothered my thumb, but you could use a rubber flask stopper if it worried you.
  • Some juices, do benefit from steeping. Ones I have noticed that benefit are tobaccos, most berries, peanut-butter and caramel. My everyday peach, and many others, do not benefit at all. My rule of thumb is if a juice gets darker in color as it ages, it will benefit from steeping. The easiest way to steep is just let it sit for a month. Speed steeping methods can accelerate it if desired.
  • Speed steeping can be done as easily as putting your bottle or flask, preferably glass, in a crock pot water bath for a few hours. Ultrasonic works great if you have a high end one, low end ones dont do much. But even my powerful commercial grade ultrasonic was only marginally better than the crock pot, not enough to justify the expense. Speed steeping, actually the heat, will reduce your nic concentration by a ~5-7% ratio. Again, if it is for yourself, who cares, or you can compensate but mixing it a wee bit stronger than what you want to vape.
  • I do use an eJuice recipe program. It not only helps with the math, but can allow the saving of recipes if desired. Nowadays, I rarely use a recipe for the flavorings, I just wing it, but I do use the program to make sure I have the right nic/pg/vg ratios.
What I tend do today is make a "master batch" (ie a 1pint bottle) of unflavored nic at my desired pg/vg ratio, but I make the nic ratio 10% stronger than what I want to vape. This way I can take a small 30ml Unicorn bottle and add 1.5ml - 3ml of flavor and then fill the bottle with my master batch. Give it a good shake and Boom, done....... and I know that I am within 5% of my desired nic ratio. If I am trying to "nail" a recipe I still use this method, I just track my flavoring amounts carefully with a 1ml syringe.

The one thing I am still .... about is labeling my bottles. Nothing worse than picking up a bottle and having no clue what is in it, in fact that has the potential to be dangerous.

I learned that it really doesnt need to be a big deal, and I dont need a lot of labware.
 
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I recently started mixing by weight. I got tired of all the syringes and clean up associated with mixing by volume. I have to say mixing by weight is super easy and there is hardly any clean up at all. I have found that I can mix a lot more juice in far less time.

I also use this calculator that HotRod19579 developed. New Calculator to try
It has a little bit of a learning curve, but is a great calculator that can track inventory, cost, lets you know when you are low on ingredients and even highlights recipes that you don't have enough ingredients to make. HotRod keeps it up to date a releases new versions all the time.
 

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I can't believe I watched the whole thing. :unsure:

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So where is this list of already have been approved vaping products they mentioned in the video? Is this supposed to be the page?

http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/ResourcesforYou/default.htm

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You know what though, I have a nice lab quality one, that even has built in clamps to hold a burette.

I never use it for mixing juice, too much trouble to drag it all out. Only time I use it is for doing titration testing of nic strength where I am adding reagent by the drop looking for a color change.

Whats your goal? Simple mixing, or speed steeping? Or both?
I assumed it would help with steeping?
 

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I assumed it would help with steeping?
In my experience, it really depends on what flavor concentrates are used in the recipe. Many do, many dont.

The color change thing seems to be the best correlation I have found. If a juice markedly changes color after a few weeks, it will probably also change flavor with steeping. This can be good or bad. It could round out and deepen the layers of flavor, or it can make it unpalatable. I have made some juices that tasted great right away, but got way too strong after a week or two, and I had to cut it 50/50 with my unflavored master batch to salvage it.

To steep or not to steep only comes with experience with your specific flavorings.
 

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In my experience, it really depends on what flavor concentrates are used in the recipe. Many do, many dont.

The color change thing seems to be the best correlation I have found. If a juice markedly changes color after a few weeks, it will probably also change flavor with steeping. This can be good or bad. It could round out and deepen the layers of flavor, or it can make it unpalatable. I have made some juices that tasted great right away, but got way too strong after a week or two, and I had to cut it 50/50 with my unflavored master batch to salvage it.

To steep or not to steep only comes with experience with your specific flavorings.
Thanks... It looks like a magnetic stirrer is more of a toy than a tool.
 

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For those of you just getting into DIY juice, let me share some of my journey.

In the beginning I was super .... about everything. I measured volumetricly (although mass measurement would have been even more precise), I tracked everything to the drop in a SS, acquired all sorts of lab paraphernalia, I tested nic concentration on every batch, I tried ultrasonic and thermal baths for speed steeping, magnetic stirrers for mixing, etc.. etc..

Over time what I figured out was that I was making WAY too big of a thing out of it. It does not have to be a science project.
  • "Assuming" you are making it for yourself, precision of nic concentration is no big deal. Close is good enough. Even if you are off by 5% in your measurements, 5% more/less of what the recipe calls for is no big deal. Vapers "self regulate". If a juice is 5% weaker your body will know and you will unconsciously vape a little more, if it is 5% stronger you will vape a little less.
  • If you leave a little headroom in the bottle, a couple of good shakes is all that is needed to mix the juice. I use an Erlenmeyer flask to mix my "master batch". I put the ingredients in, put my thumb over the opening and give it a good shake before bottling. The small concentrations of nic have never bothered my thumb, but you could use a rubber flask stopper if it worried you.
  • Some juices, do benefit from steeping. Ones I have noticed that benefit are tobaccos, most berries, peanut-butter and caramel. My everyday peach, and many others, do not benefit at all. My rule of thumb is if a juice gets darker in color as it ages, it will benefit from steeping. The easiest way to steep is just let it sit for a month. Speed steeping methods can accelerate it if desired.
  • Speed steeping can be done as easily as putting your bottle or flask, preferably glass, in a crock pot water bath for a few hours. Ultrasonic works great if you have a high end one, low end ones dont do much. But even my powerful commercial grade ultrasonic was only marginally better than the crock pot, not enough to justify the expense. Speed steeping, actually the heat, will reduce your nic concentration by a ~5-7% ratio. Again, if it is for yourself, who cares, or you can compensate but mixing it a wee bit stronger than what you want to vape.
  • I do use an eJuice recipe program. It not only helps with the math, but can allow the saving of recipes if desired. Nowadays, I rarely use a recipe for the flavorings, I just wing it, but I do use the program to make sure I have the right nic/pg/vg ratios.
What I tend do today is make a "master batch" (ie a 1pint bottle) of unflavored nic at my desired pg/vg ratio, but I make the nic ratio 10% stronger than what I want to vape. This way I can take a small 30ml Unicorn bottle and add 1.5ml - 3ml of flavor and then fill the bottle with my master batch. Give it a good shake and Boom, done....... and I know that I am within 5% of my desired nic ratio. If I am trying to "nail" a recipe I still use this method, I just track my flavoring amounts carefully with a 1ml syringe.

The one thing I am still .... about is labeling my bottles. Nothing worse than picking up a bottle and having no clue what is in it, in fact that has the potential to be dangerous.

I learned that it really doesnt need to be a big deal, and I dont need a lot of labware.

In my experience, it really depends on what flavor concentrates are used in the recipe. Many do, many dont.

The color change thing seems to be the best correlation I have found. If a juice markedly changes color after a few weeks, it will probably also change flavor with steeping. This can be good or bad. It could round out and deepen the layers of flavor, or it can make it unpalatable. I have made some juices that tasted great right away, but got way too strong after a week or two, and I had to cut it 50/50 with my unflavored master batch to salvage it.

To steep or not to steep only comes with experience with your specific flavorings.

Lots of real good info on DIY'ing :) Excellent posts Mike :)
Steeping is a myth, very few of the juices I make improve with age.
FA custard is an exception,& it does change colours while it steeps :)
 

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Good Mojo day. Built two diferent dual coil Mizers and they came out spot on.

Wish I could say it was always like that, but some days I lose my Mojo and cant do a decent build no matter how hard I try. Other days, it just flows naturally and comes out just right!
 

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Steamer, if I don't steep my tobacco(ish) flavors they taste like crap. Two weeks of steeping and they're fine, so steeping is flavor dependent without a doubt. My brief experiments with fruits and confections showed that with no change in flavor from steeped to not steeped.

I used to mix using syringes to measure everything, fast and easy. I did convert to weight and that's even faster and easier.
 
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Steamer, if I don't steep my tobacco(ish) flavors they taste like crap. Two weeks of steeping and they're fine, so steeping is flavor dependent without a doubt. My brief experiments with fruits and confections showed that with no change in flavor from steeped to not steeped.

I used to mix using syringes to measure everything, fast and easy. I did convert to weight and that's even faster and easier.

I started with tobacco flavours but have since moved on. Some flavours benefit from steeping, IMO very few, I would say less than 10% of the flavours I make benefit from steeping.
I think Mike hit the nail on the head with the colour change, If a juice darkens with age the flavour is changing. for the better or worse mite be in the palet of the beholder :)
 

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I started with cigar flavors, but moved on to fruits/pastries/savories REAL quick, whenever I came close to nailing a cigar flavor all it did was make want the real thing. I mix some tobaccos for friends, but still wont vape them myself.
 

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One of my first DIY's with a flavor not permitted to mention here required Kona coffee for the skunky part. I didn't like it much so I shipped it off to my cousin in Texas. There was about 15 ml still here that sat for a year, it then got really mild and tasted more like coffee.
Edit: OMG, it's still here...steeped for over 4 years...time to get rid of it I guess.
 
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