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The legality of protests is a given, the need for a permit to have a major one is also a given. While the protestors have their rights, what about the rights of all those who are inconvenienced, or worse? What about those that feel "triggered"/threatened/disgusted by their protests? Seems like a major conundrum to me.

The lady on the plane threatened the guy regarding the arm rest and then threatened to barf in his lap. Either one constitutes, technically I think, simple assault. Off the plane she goes which is what she deserved.
 

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I dunno, if one had to register with the government in order to peacefully voice objections about that same government, I can see where that could put a damper on free speech.

To put it in context, I have no desire to register with the FDA..... I dont want to get "put on their List".
It isn't so much the women's march or any one protest in particular.

Any group protesting to further their political or civil rights agenda, should conduct themselves as adults, respectfully sharing their views and agenda, to show they are deserving of the change they seek. They should further pay the cost incurred by Federal, State & Local Authorities & everyone else as a result their groups actions.

NYC alone has Police overtime costs in the Millions & possibly Billions as a result of protesters since Election day. Who is gonna pay that? Limousines are burning in the streets of Washington DC and those responsible leave the bills, security, EMS and cleanup costs to the taxpayer or victims of their oppression to absorb.

That has to stop. Period.
 

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It isn't so much the women's march or any one protest in particular.

Any group protesting to further their political or civil rights agenda, should conduct themselves as adults, respectfully sharing their views and agenda, to show they are deserving of the change they seek. They should further pay the cost incurred by Federal, State & Local Authorities & everyone else as a result their groups actions.

NYC alone has Police overtime costs in the Millions & possibly Billions as a result of protesters since Election day. Who is gonna pay that? Limousines are burning in the streets of Washington DC and those responsible leave the bills, security, EMS and cleanup costs to the taxpayer or victims of their oppression to absorb.

That has to stop. Period.
Agreed in that obviously much of that didnt meet the principle of "peaceful".

Cleanup, portajohns, extra law enforcement, etc, I can see your point. Logistically though, it could be challenging for a grass roots effort to organize that kind of funding. For example, when the FDA thing hit, there was talk of a pro-vape march on Washington, who would foot the bill if the "protesters" were responsible for the expenses? Not saying they shouldnt be, just increases the odds that a "March" wouldnt ever happen if that were required.

On the flip side, are politicians required to pay for the extra law enforcement etc when they hold rallies?
 

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Yeah at 18 I sure thought I was cool, little Honda 350 LoL. :w00t: I did have a lot of fun with it, the girls like it. It was probably a good thing that it didn't have any more power then it did. :D

When you were riding that bike my bike had cards in the spokes. :lol:
 

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I don't mind protests, it's what makes our Country unique and, in many ways, exceptional. I'm just sick and tired of the outright venom that their "leaders" spew constantly and the media constantly replaying the same things over and over again. Then, add n the cost of security, clean-up, well, you get the picture, I'm sick and tired of paying, real tax dollars, for it.

It's amazing, the Tea Party held a rally with a few hundred thousand attending and when they left, they cleaned up what little mess they had made. When the Women's March dispersed, Federal and City workers had to come in with multiple garbage trucks to clean up after them. Their attitude seems to be it's "government money" and they ignore the fact that the only, real, money the Government has is what is taken in the form of taxes and fees.

The other, amazing, thing, to me anyway, is that Hollywood and the Entertainment industry still haven't gotten the message that what they have to say really doesn't matter to most people and influences even less. They're entertainers, not pundits, even the vaunted Leonardo. You'd think the outcome of the election would have told them "who cares", but their egos and sense of self importance won't listen.
 

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I don't mind protests, it's what makes our Country unique and, in many ways, exceptional. I'm just sick and tired of the outright venom that their "leaders" spew constantly and the media constantly replaying the same things over and over again. Then, add n the cost of security, clean-up, well, you get the picture, I'm sick and tired of paying, real tax dollars, for it.

It's amazing, the Tea Party held a rally with a few hundred thousand attending and when they left, they cleaned up what little mess they had made. When the Women's March dispersed, Federal and City workers had to come in with multiple garbage trucks to clean up after them. Their attitude seems to be it's "government money" and they ignore the fact that the only, real, money the Government has is what is taken in the form of taxes and fees.

The other, amazing, thing, to me anyway, is that Hollywood and the Entertainment industry still haven't gotten the message that what they have to say really doesn't matter to most people and influences even less. They're entertainers, not pundits, even the vaunted Leonardo. You'd think the outcome of the election would have told them "who cares", but their egos and sense of self importance won't listen.

Rules and laws only apply to those on the right. It's a badge of honor each time they get in a dig, they all pat each other on the back and get a rise in lefty world status, Madonna scored big time and now she's high on their pedestal. They fight dirty, no rules apply, Trump knew this and he played their game, he got right down in the gutter and hit them back harder each time a whack-o mole popped it's head up, it's the only way you can beat them now. They, along with the media, are doubling down, it's only just started. Then you've got Soros funding the machine and he won't stop until he's dead. Your going to see them churn into a real rage as Trump makes progress, it won't be long and these protesters will bring guns and start shooting, wait for it. You need to watch the undercover video's on this channel, these guys have footage taken inside many of these funded disrupt meetings. In the second video below they talk about how to throat punch Trump supporters at the inauguration and they had hoped to chain subway cars at stops to shut them down, among other tactics. Fortunately they weren't successful in all their plans, but this is what we're up against.

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I mentioned before that I get really nasty dry hits using 316 and 430ss wire. Apparently, I have hot spots on my builds so I found that if I "rake" the coils with my tweezers, it stops. It can happen after a few tanks so it's not my initial build. Still happens more often than I would like and never had this issue on ni200 coils.

Still waiting for my Aromamizer Supreme from FT. It landed in the US on the 14th and no tracking updates since :/.

The LG HG2's are performing beautifully in my Sbody Macro DNA40 and Silo 75's.
 

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I mentioned before that I get really nasty dry hits using 316 and 430ss wire. Apparently, I have hot spots on my builds so I found that if I "rake" the coils with my tweezers, it stops. It can happen after a few tanks so it's not my initial build. Still happens more often than I would like and never had this issue on ni200 coils.

Have you ever considered Ti?
A lot of us here use it, IMO it's head & shoulders above any other wire I'v tried :)
 

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Agreed in that obviously much of that didnt meet the principle of "peaceful".

Cleanup, portajohns, extra law enforcement, etc, I can see your point. Logistically though, it could be challenging for a grass roots effort to organize that kind of funding. For example, when the FDA thing hit, there was talk of a pro-vape march on Washington, who would foot the bill if the "protesters" were responsible for the expenses? Not saying they shouldnt be, just increases the odds that a "March" wouldnt ever happen if that were required.

On the flip side, are politicians required to pay for the extra law enforcement etc when they hold rallies?
It is a common practice for party campaigns to negotiate reasonable compensation to host cities for services expenses incurred as a result of the event, often offset by an estimate of the expected boost to the economy in monies anticipated to benefit the host city spent by participants. I had heard some discussions taking place along these lines during preliminary planning walk-thrus for Clinton's DNC convention at Madison Square Garden way back when I worked there.

Regarding the FDA March on Washington, any group that expects to put forth an agenda in protest will have to decide whether or not their constituents believe in the cause enough to shoulder the expense of necessary services for that event or protest, just like you do with a coop. If your constituency is unwilling to do so, your constituency obviously are not committed to your cause. A place like Washington DC, hosts protests all the time and there is a congressional budget put forth the fund certain services as part of the applications through the Park Service and local authorities to defray costs. Events are sponsored & fundraising for them occurs because the rewards of a successful outcome justify the expense.

I also believe that a vape protest would be relatively low cost for services as violence would be unlikely & cleanup should be minimal as we aren't throwing cigarette butts & wrappers out. Event organization could also keep costs down if some jackass threw a mod through a Starbucks Window if your own community apprehended the perpetrator and turned him over to authorities. How could we expect authorities to cater to our needs if our people do not act in a manner that is a demonstration that we are deserving of what we are asking?

If the Women's march wants to discard their signs in front of Trumps Hotel in protest, they should be willing to pay to have the mess cleaned up in exchange for the right to do so. If Madonna wants to get on a microphone and tell Trump to go F-himself during a live televised speech, she charged with the crime it is & should be forced to pay the FCC fines each of the major television networks should be fined for broadcasting these vulgarities & be happy to pay those fines for the privilege of doing so. Let her take financial responsibility for her own actions or be locked up for willfully committing a crime.
Just an aside - I remember one time that they were resurfacing the Knick's Basketball Court in the Expo Center and had finished applying the third clear coat not 1hr before a Ranger's game & had it barricaded off. At half-time of the Rangers Game Madonna regularly would retreat into the Expo Center & walked right up to the court, opened the barricade, and let her kid go running all over it. When I ran up to check the surface & explain why I was concerned & the security guard escorting her was all over me because it was Madonna. I admonished the security guard for allowing it & she was apologetic as she hadn't realized it was newly resurfaced & was going to go on the court & collect the kid. I told her it looked like it had cured enough where her kid wasn't doing any damage but those 4" spiked heels she was wearing certainly would. That kid ran all over the court while I stood there twitching the whole time & it took 5 min before the kid came back to her. She was cool about it & it appeared no real harm was done, but that inherent assumption of celebrity privilege really bugged the crap out of me.

People who show up to these protests with bandanas & masks on obviously have them to hide their identity because they are planning unrest & should not be allowed to participate & should be hauled off for questioning by police. Every participant in a protest should be photographed & submit ID to participate in order to hold them accountable for their actions caught on film. That is not unreasonable and would record attendance to these events supporting the goals of the protest on record to advance the agenda of the group. None of this seems unreasonable to me, but the ACLU has gotten away with what we see today & I for one cannot understand why it is allowed to continue.

I believe we a society have forgotten all about personal responsibility and it is that refusal to accept or demand acceptance of responsibility for one's own actions that is the cornerstone of the Decay of our Country's Values and Society in General. I also believe the actions of the left after this election have been inexcusable from the DNC, Congressional Representatives, the Media, the Celebrities, and right on down to the Protestors. None of them seem to realize many of them putting forth this effort to de-legitimatize Trump are doing their cause more harm than good in the eyes of many Americans. When most Americans believe the intelligence services, government in general and the media are lying to us because it sounds so utterly absurd, it is truly a sad state of affairs indeed.

Give the guy enough rope, he'll probably de-legitimatize himself, or he may succeed beyond our expectations. I'm hoping for the latter, despite his ego, but only time will tell so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he doesn't screw up too badly & will give Washington the wake-up call on both sides of the aisle most American would agree is needed.

I'm done now, I just had to get that out. Sorry.
 

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Digging through my computer for a file and came across and photo from longggg ago, who is that guy? Who ever he is he needs a haircut! :)

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Looking Good Willy!

Mine is an '86 VF700c Honda Magna

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Haven't had it out of the garage in years. Maybe this summer! I do miss riding it.
 

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Looking Good Willy!

Mine is an '86 VF700c Honda Magna

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Haven't had it out of the garage in years. Maybe this summer! I do miss riding it.

Haven't been on one in many years, can't ride em now anyways. Well I could but it would have to be something I could shift without my left foot and I'd have to get my MC endorsement back. After I lost my leg I made the mistake of walking into a DMV to renew my driver's lic wearing shorts, when it was my turn to walk up to the window the guy looked at my lic and asked me when I lost my leg and then it hit me,
ahhh crap.... He said they couldn't renew the MC endorsement and I would have to concede to have a restriction of only driving cars and light trucks with auto trans. Otherwise I would have had to driven to one of the main DMV offices and be given tests to show I could still safely work a clutch on a standard shift vehicle and retest for the MC endorsement, ...... me off but I just conceded to give up the MC and live with the auto trans restriction. I still drive a truck with stick from time to time.... When done the guy said, you should have worn pants, we would have never known.....
 

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I mentioned before that I get really nasty dry hits using 316 and 430ss wire. Apparently, I have hot spots on my builds so I found that if I "rake" the coils with my tweezers, it stops. It can happen after a few tanks so it's not my initial build. Still happens more often than I would like and never had this issue on ni200 coils.

Still waiting for my Aromamizer Supreme from FT. It landed in the US on the 14th and no tracking updates since :/.

The LG HG2's are performing beautifully in my Sbody Macro DNA40 and Silo 75's.
Glad to hear the batts are rock'n.

In my experience hot spots wouldn't really cause dry hits, more like a burny edge to the flavor on every pull. Under wicking can cause that burny edge too but also cause dry hits without a burny edge.
I used to follow the wicking rule "less is more" but with newer atty designs I've found that more wicking in the coil is better, especially if the vapor production varies a lot from pull to pull and/or produces a burny edge on occasion.
 

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Have you ever considered Ti?
A lot of us here use it, IMO it's head & shoulders above any other wire I'v tried :)

I resisted going to SS but eventually caved. Where do I get Ti wire? :lol:

Looking Good Willy!

Mine is an '86 VF700c Honda Magna

honda-vf700c-magna-1986-5.jpg


Haven't had it out of the garage in years. Maybe this summer! I do miss riding it.

My first was a '82 Yamaha YZ80 bought used in '83 for $400. Used my paper route money to buy it myself w/o my parents knowing. They weren't too happy about that :). Currently, I only have a '08 KTM 450exc and sold everything else. Been thinking of selling it too since I haven't ridden it in a while.

Glad to hear the batts are rock'n.

In my experience hot spots wouldn't really cause dry hits, more like a burny edge to the flavor on every pull. Under wicking can cause that burny edge too but also cause dry hits without a burny edge.
I used to follow the wicking rule "less is more" but with newer atty designs I've found that more wicking in the coil is better, especially if the vapor production varies a lot from pull to pull and/or produces a burny edge on occasion.
Yeah, it was burnt hits. Really nasty. Raking over the coil lightly with tweezers fixes it for a few more tanks.
 

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