Evolv-ing Thread

[TrollDragon]

That was an algorithm error in the software.

How about this little tidbit?

"Extrapolation of the results of the Colorado and Utah study to the over 33.6 million admissions to hospitals in the United States in 1997, implies that at least 44,000 Americans die in hospitals each year as a result of preventable medical errors. 36 Based on the results of the New York study, the number of deaths due to medical error may be as high as 98,000. 37 By way of comparison, the lower estimate is greater than the number of deaths attributable to the 8th-leading cause of death. 38"

Errors in Health Care: A Leading Cause of Death and Injury - To Err is Human - NCBI Bookshelf

 

[awsum140]

Wonder if there's a statistic for the number of deaths caused by the aggravation of trying to deal with anything Government related? Probably higher than number 8 on the "cause list".

 

[SlickWilly]

That was an algorithm error in the software.

How about this little tidbit?

"Extrapolation of the results of the Colorado and Utah study to the over 33.6 million admissions to hospitals in the United States in 1997, implies that at least 44,000 Americans die in hospitals each year as a result of preventable medical errors. 36 Based on the results of the New York study, the number of deaths due to medical error may be as high as 98,000. 37 By way of comparison, the lower estimate is greater than the number of deaths attributable to the 8th-leading cause of death. 38"

Errors in Health Care: A Leading Cause of Death and Injury - To Err is Human - NCBI Bookshelf

Oh no doubt, I fell from a ladder and smashed the living hell out of my left ankle, the only thing holding the foot to the leg was tissue. They used hardware and cadaver bone to reattach my foot. A year after healing, during the first snow fall I put my ankle high winter boots on and felt pain where the boot rubbed on the hardware through the skin, went in to see the doctor and he told me they could take the hardware out now that the bone had fused. Was suppose to be a simple operation, after being given the happy juice before they wheel you in the operating room the anesthesiologist looked at my chart and asked me about all the antibiotics I'm allergic to, then she said "we need to give you some antibiotic during the operation as a preventive" and said she would ask the doctor when he came in. I was still awake when the doc came in, she asked and he told her not to give me any because it was a simple operation. When they got ready to send me home later in the day the discharge nurse made me wait while she contacted the doctor because she told me everyone who is operated on goes home with a script for antibiotics as a preventive, the doc also told her don't worry about it. Three days later while during my constant changing of my dressing I had puss coming from the incision, tests showed I had staph infection. To keep this from getting any longer then it already is, finally they gave me antibiotics but the infection had already gotten into the marrow, after months trying to fight the infection the blood flow to the marrow stopped, the bones in the foot had died and it was spreading up my leg, that how I lost my leg.

So yeah, that &$%^ happens, all the time, people contract staph infections in hospitals all over the world. People die from doctor mistakes world wide, it's not something that happens only in the US.

 

[awsum140]

Remember, medicine is a "practice". Hopefully, they get enough "practice" to be right more often than wrong. I just hat being the practice dummy.

 

[awsum140]

As long as I'm grousing, I've got another one.

I've built a few mods, like about 10, that have magnets to hold the cases together. Problem is that when they get close to anything made of steel or iron, guess what happens? Yup, screws and batteries "magically" attach themselves to the mod. Worse yet is when two of them get too close to each other, they kind of stick together or push apart, depending on the specific magnet alignment.

Oh, the trials and tribulations of modern vaping life. Woe is me.

 

[tiburonfirst]

UK breast cancer screening failure may have caused 270 deaths - CNN

lol, willy ask your wife if she ever got an invitation for a screening!

and while each system has failings i know which one i'd prefer if i didn't have the means to buy decent insurance

 

[SlickWilly]

lol, willy ask your wife if she ever got an invitation for a screening!

and while each system has failings i know which one i'd prefer if i didn't have the means to buy decent insurance

Actually she does, yearly from her doctor during her checkups.

Yeah I agree on the point if you couldn't afford insurance, it's just too bad they screwed it up so badly though. Every year for three years after obama care passed out bronze blue cross plan increased dramatically until it reached $240 a week for my wife and I through her employer, the cost three years prior was around $85 a week, we simply can't afford that $240 a week. Fortunately I was able to finish those radiation treatments for the throat cancer just weeks before the coverage ended. We looked on the exchange for comparable coverage, that's when we discovered I could not buy insurance through the exchange, I was forced to take medicare and buy supplement on top of that. My wife had to take a much cheaper plan through her employer. We lost our great coverage, God knows what we'll face should either of us face another major medical situation, the cost of any copay for something like that will be a decision of trying to save your life, loose our house, (damn near did after I lost my leg), put both of us financially devastated or let the illness take it's course and save the money for the other to live on for their time left in our home. Myself, I'd rather go back and pay for our own old bronze plan like we had before but that option was taken away from us.

 

[ShamrockPat]

lol, willy ask your wife if she ever got an invitation for a screening!

I got an invitation once. Just before turning 50, it sorta went ......... Happy Birthday, glad you're turning 50, here's an invitation for you to get a COLONOSCOPY . Yeah, I delayed that offer for a few years. And in case you're wondering the pre-work/prep is far worse than the procedure

 

[SlickWilly]

I got an invitation once. Just before turning 50, it sorta went ......... Happy Birthday, glad you're turning 50, here's an invitation for you to get a COLONOSCOPY . Yeah, I delayed that offer for a few years. And in case you're wondering the pre-work/prep is far worse than the procedure

Yeah, for me, that was not something I want to ever have to repeat..... They said I would have to remain awake but they would give me drugs to keep me comfortable and I wouldn't remember it, lies. I used some words during the procedure that if my mother found out what I said them she would have disowned me... Along with, You enjoying yourself doc?

 

[kiba]

I know all about medicine being a "practice" had a colonoscooy at 32 [emoji52] I asked the Dr if he was going to take me out to dinner first, he was not amused... was it was after I was losing all kinds of weight, & I'm 6'2" dropped from 190 to 135 unexpectedly. I've since put back on like 10lbs but they have yet to figure out what exactly is going on even after going to 6 different endocrinologists bc they're too used to simple solutions (diabetes=insulin, thyroid=synthroid etc) and I have to eat 3k calories a day in order to keep that weight. Also & this is a bit of a sore spot for me after my accident first of all 2/3 Dr's wanted to fuse my spine which I'm lucky that I refused, then after that due to them not being able to give me the surgery that I actually need, the pain management Dr's solution is to put me on increasing quantities of opiates for several years & when I tried medical mj & found it much more effective they put up all kinds of road blocks to why I couldn't have it. I've since gotten it mostly figured out but I have to drive over the bridge to DC 2x a month, otherwise the only option is zombie pills. Imo the stuff has literally saved my life & my nerve pain is drastically reduced to boot... it doesn't make sense to deny it to people in lieu of what is basically poison.

But yeah my experience with doctors has never been a good one, imo they'll never look outside the box for a solution & you're better off diagnosing yourself.

 

[kiba]

my experience with Obamacare however has been a good one, due to the preexisting condition thing before, I was paying something crazy like 900/mo but after the Obamacare I get more coverage (dental, PT, other stuff is covered) and I pay only 200/mo which, due to taking a pay cut I wouldn't be able to afford otherwise.

 

[SlickWilly]

my experience with Obamacare however has been a good one, due to the preexisting condition thing before, I was paying something crazy like 900/mo but after the Obamacare I get more coverage (dental, PT, other stuff is covered) and I pay only 200/mo which, due to taking a pay cut I wouldn't be able to afford otherwise.

I'm glad to know it is helping some people, I don't have a problem with that and I'm all for helping each other. It just drives me insane they took our insurance away from us in the process and forced me into medicare, not something I wanted, I'd gladly go back to paying for the blue cross we had. We were even happy to pay a little more the first year it went up knowing people were being helped, but then the next two years when it skyrocketed beyond affordable and now has left us in peril, that's not right. But when I heard, "We have to pass it before we know what's in it" told me there was a lot being hidden from us and we were being lied to, and now here we are.......

 

[TrollDragon]

I guess that's the difference with our free health care here in Canada, cancer treatments and your leg issue wouldn't have cost you a cent. We still need a Blue Cross like plan for prescriptions, dental and vision, those are around $150 a month for a couple if you want to pay out of pocket for it. Most people have a plan at work that you only pay the tax on it.

 

[SlickWilly]

I guess that's the difference with our free health care here in Canada, cancer treatments and your leg issue wouldn't have cost you a cent. We still need a Blue Cross like plan for prescriptions, dental and vision, those are around $150 a month for a couple if you want to pay out of pocket for it. Most people have a plan at work that you only pay the tax on it.

You must be paying for in through taxes, right? With the blue cross plan we had it was a $400 a year copay for each one of us, after that there was no expense unless you went way, way over maximum hospital costs which wouldn't be easy to do. The prescriptions were $5 copay, always. At $85 a week for the two of us plus the copay's that was a damn good deal for the coverage we had and we used it many times over the years. I never got one bill from all doctors visits or for any treatments for the cancer, I had already meet my deducible for the year when that was discovered. Same when I went through all that with my leg, first surgery, second surgery, the amputation, hospital stays, prosthetic's, no out of pocket after the yearly deducible, other then $5 for meds.

I can understand, if your health care system is all you've known, hell yes that would seem great, I'd like to have that today, but the money is coming from somewhere. If the US could duplicate what you have now, yeah it be better then what I'm stuck with at this point, but I had no complaints with the way it was before.

Again, what makes me angry is they TOOK that option away from us, we are worse off when it was said the average family would KEEP their insurance, KEEP their doctor AND SAVE money, that was a lie!!!

 

[Alexander Mundy]

I hate to say it but health care has gotten expensive because we have so many treatments and so many specialised machines that are mega expensive. Why so expensive? Case in point, my Daughter's MS intravenous drugs are charged at $20K a month. The system to get them to approval probably cost $500M or more and legal liabilities must run the company that make it into the millions a month. She doesn't pay $20K a month so others money in insurance payments has to cover it. This presents a Libertarian thinking person (myself although not straight party lines, I'm not a member of any political party) with a true dilemma. Without the drugs she would be at best bedridden or at worst dead. Do I wish that, selfishly no but it still pains me that others pay for it. Another instance is the MRI machine. The guy whom envisioned it and created the first prototype (despite opposition from the medical and industrial community) did so because he had a vision of everyone being able to have routine scans for catching cancer early. Darn things are so expensive they are only used for diagnosis instead. For the sorted story of what happened read "A Machine Called Indomitable".

 

[tiburonfirst]

 

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[CMD-Ky]

That is one terrible story, words fail me.

Oh no doubt, I fell from a ladder and smashed the living hell out of my left ankle, the only thing holding the foot to the leg was tissue. They used hardware and cadaver bone to reattach my foot. A year after healing, during the first snow fall I put my ankle high winter boots on and felt pain where the boot rubbed on the hardware through the skin, went in to see the doctor and he told me they could take the hardware out now that the bone had fused. Was suppose to be a simple operation, after being given the happy juice before they wheel you in the operating room the anesthesiologist looked at my chart and asked me about all the antibiotics I'm allergic to, then she said "we need to give you some antibiotic during the operation as a preventive" and said she would ask the doctor when he came in. I was still awake when the doc came in, she asked and he told her not to give me any because it was a simple operation. When they got ready to send me home later in the day the discharge nurse made me wait while she contacted the doctor because she told me everyone who is operated on goes home with a script for antibiotics as a preventive, the doc also told her don't worry about it. Three days later while during my constant changing of my dressing I had puss coming from the incision, tests showed I had staph infection. To keep this from getting any longer then it already is, finally they gave me antibiotics but the infection had already gotten into the marrow, after months trying to fight the infection the blood flow to the marrow stopped, the bones in the foot had died and it was spreading up my leg, that how I lost my leg.

So yeah, that &$%^ happens, all the time, people contract staph infections in hospitals all over the world. People die from doctor mistakes world wide, it's not something that happens only in the US.

 

[SlickWilly]

That is one terrible story, words fail me.

I'm still here, it could always have been worse. Life happens, gotta find a way to put it behind you and move on.