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tiburonfirst

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I suspect Tibs is too
tell me about it! water in the basement, trees down over the driveway - won't be able to get out of the garage. power gone but generator kicked in. my rain gauge which holds 7'' has overflown ...... sigh
 

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Nope, iPhone guy since the first one came out. But that doesn't mean I'm not a PC guy; when my '09 MBPro finally died within the past year, my buddy built me a PC laptop that I use alongside my iPad Air. I have micro-usb cords, fire cable cords, and combo micro-usb/fire cable cords.

Frikkin cords out the yin-yang!!! :confused:


Apple fan boy here :) iPhones since the 3, few years now :)
I used to be windows, not any more. My kids wanted mac's, after I saw how well they worked. I switched a few years back & no regrets!
I do have a few residual windows PC's hanging around, & a Gaming PC (Windows) We got for the youngest :)
 

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I'm an iPhone user myself. I love my Xs Max. However, I can't stand Apple's stance on 3rd party repair and their efforts to try and stamp it out.

From Apple using proprietary screws to soldering on the memory and SSD directly onto the motherboard making it basically unserviceable. Now Apple is pushing for further "security". You will soon need an Apple proprietary tool (software based) in order to change almost any component on a mac or iPhone. For instance, the new T2 encryption chip in the iMacs/Macbooks will soon ask for individual component identification and if it does not match....... no boot for you! This goes for something as simple as a "unauthorized" screen replacement or trackpad replacement. Unless you go to an Apple store or an AASP authorized repair store, ANY repair is considered counterfeit. BTW, AASP's do almost no in-house repairs. The devices get sent out to Texas for repair..... even something as simple as screen replacements.

This basically means, even though you paid for and own the device, you don't really own it. You cannot fix your own device even if you have the correct parts and know how to accomplish the repair. This is a slippery slope. I honestly hope Apple loses this fight for total control over a device's lifespan. Not to mention Apple's shady Genius Bar practices on persuading customers.... "Best option is to upgrade to the newest device" rather than repairing a slightly older device.

Look up the "Right to Repair" bill. It's a bill that would force manufacturers to provide schematics and parts at reasonable cost to independent 3rd party repair shops. John Deere is another manufacturer opposed to "unauthorized repair."
 

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I'm an iPhone user myself. I love my Xs Max. However, I can't stand Apple's stance on 3rd party repair and their efforts to try and stamp it out.

From Apple using proprietary screws to soldering on the memory and SSD directly onto the motherboard making it basically unserviceable. Now Apple is pushing for further "security". You will soon need an Apple proprietary tool (software based) in order to change almost any component on a mac or iPhone. For instance, the new T2 encryption chip in the iMacs/Macbooks will soon ask for individual component identification and if it does not match....... no boot for you! This goes for something as simple as a "unauthorized" screen replacement or trackpad replacement. Unless you go to an Apple store or an AASP authorized repair store, ANY repair is considered counterfeit. BTW, AASP's do almost no in-house repairs. The devices get sent out to Texas for repair..... even something as simple as screen replacements.

This basically means, even though you paid for and own the device, you don't really own it. You cannot fix your own device even if you have the correct parts and know how to accomplish the repair. This is a slippery slope. I honestly hope Apple loses this fight for total control over a device's lifespan. Not to mention Apple's shady Genius Bar practices on persuading customers.... "Best option is to upgrade to the newest device" rather than repairing a slightly older device.

Look up the "Right to Repair" bill. It's a bill that would force manufacturers to provide schematics and parts at reasonable cost to independent 3rd party repair shops. John Deere is another manufacturer opposed to "unauthorized repair."


I never even knew any of this. I was able to fix a fan in a Mac book & a HD in an iMac
This was a few years back now. I would just go on "Ifixit" & every thing was there :)

As far as the phones go, with out of warranty replacement program, it's not even worth fixing any part of them. I have had several phones replaced for $200 on this program :)

Don't matter what went wrong just send it in & they return a "Refurb" same as your phone for $200 :) This is after the warranty is up!
 
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tell me about it! water in the basement, trees down over the driveway - won't be able to get out of the garage. power gone but generator kicked in. my rain gauge which holds 7'' has overflown ...... sigh

Bummer Tibs, if I were your neighbor I'd be over there to clear your driveway in a heartbeat. Good to hear your generator is working.
 

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For instance, the new T2 encryption chip in the iMacs/Macbooks will soon ask for individual component identification and if it does not match....... no boot for you! This goes for something as simple as a "unauthorized" screen replacement or trackpad replacement. Unless you go to an Apple store or an AASP authorized repair store, ANY repair is considered counterfeit. BTW, AASP's do almost no in-house repairs. The devices get sent out to Texas for repair..... even something as simple as screen replacements.
This sort of stuff has been a problem in the automotive industry for more than 10 years now. It started with expensive luxury models but has worked its way down. You need to replace an ECM or one of any other control modules in later models and special software alone doesn't cut it; you need their software plus credentials to log into their server in order to "marry" to module to the car. They claim it's to reduce the market for stolen parts, but the reality is, it's profit protection for them and their dealers.
 

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I never even knew any of this. I was able to fix a fan in a Mac book & a HD in an iMac
This was a few years back now. I would just go on "Ifixit" & every thing was there :)

As far as the phones go, with out of warranty replacement program, it's not even worth fixing any part of them. I have had several phones replaced for $200 on this program :)

Don't matter what went wrong just send it in & they return a "Refurb" same as your phone for $200 :) This is after the warranty is up!

In most cases the out of warranty replacement program works out for many people. However, for those with broken iPhones or Macs that have not backed up their data, ran out of iCloud storage, whatever the case may be, they're pretty much screwed if Apple is their only avenue of repair. Apple does 0 data recovery repairs. Apple's response to those types of cases....."you should of backed up your data." "it's your fault." All because Apple, and now many others (Google Pixel), do not use SD card based storage. It's all NAND flash storage (64 128 256 and 512 GB)....which is........ you guessed it, soldered onto the logic board. So if the device does not boot, kiss your data (pics, contacts etc etc etc) goodbye. That's where 3rd party independent repair comes in. A competent independent repair shop can restore the basic logic board functions just enough for a "Trust" link to a PC to create a backup and save the data.

ifixit is staunch supporter of the Right to Repair bill. They almost have to be given their role is teaching people how to repair their own devices.

LOL, OK my rant on Apple is over. Now to set my alarm for 6:30 am on my iPhone :lol: Gotta finish an entire forced air (heat pump, gas furnace & all the ductwork) system down in Pittsburgh. Nightmare city traffic!!!!! No parking!!!!!
 

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I used to be windows, not any more. My kids wanted mac's, after I saw how well they worked.
I really like to see these Windows machines that doesn't run well. As I switched from OS2 to Windows 3.1 when IBM made every update worse than the last one. And any little problem with Windows was easy to fix as you had access to everything; boot, kernel, system files, config files, etc.

Although Apple was just the opposite and you have access to nothing. Something goes wrong, that's just tough! You either had to live with it or buy something else. :( And the reason why people say Apple runs so well is because virtually nothing runs on them.
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I really like to see these Windows machines that doesn't run well. As I switched from OS2 to Windows 3.1 when IBM made every update worse than the last one. And any little problem with Windows was easy to fix as you had access to everything; boot, kernel, system files, config files, etc.

Although Apple was just the opposite and you have access to nothing. Something goes wrong, that's just tough! You either had to live with it or buy something else. :( And the reason why people say Apple runs so well is because virtually nothing runs on them.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I was invested in PC! Didn't want to learn a new OS, was of the opinion that they (Mac) couldn't be better! I was proven wrong! I watched these Mac Books I bought my sons, work consistently day in & day out.

IDK about you? If I see some thing working better than what I'm using! I want In :)
 

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Bummer Tibs, if I were your neighbor I'd be over there to clear your driveway in a heartbeat. Good to hear your generator is working.
thanks ;) hoping to round up some help today.
Still running on the generator, still a lot of roads impassable, but at least the weather stopped.
same here, mike :( and looking at the outage maps not much headway has been made around here overnight.
 

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I was invested in PC! Didn't want to learn a new OS, was of the opinion that they (Mac) couldn't be better! I was proven wrong! I watched these Mac Books I bought my sons, work consistently day in & day out.

IDK about you? If I see some thing working better than what I'm using! I want In :)
Seriously, I really would like to see these so called Windows machines that doesn't work well. Because I never met one that I couldn't fix to get running very reliably. The only exceptions of course are crappy hardware or lack of drivers. That is why I only buy Windows machines that doesn't have any of these traits.

My little sister once brought her laptop with her and she said it has ransomware on it and if I could fix it. I said of course I can even without looking at it. I asked her if she had a backup? She said no! Of course not, that would be too easy. :(

So I started to work on it and that dang thing had booby traps all over the place. I guess they don't want this to be easy. Just four hours later it was clean as a whistle and nothing of hers was lost. And years later she is still using that laptop and it is running fine. I still don't think she makes backups. I guess why should she? Her brother could recover everything if there is a problem. :(

Back in the early 80's, I heard a wonderful piece of advice about OS. It was useful back then and still useful today. That was you first find the software that you want to run, then pick the OS that will run them. That is so true.

Now if Macs runs everything you want to run, then that is great Steamer861. But the Mac doesn't for me. Heck until just recently, the Macs couldn't even run EScribe. Maybe you are not interested in EScribe, but I definitely am. And it just wasn't EScribe but like 98% of the software I want to run won't run on a Mac. And a Mac that I can't use isn't a very useful machine.
 
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As I switched from OS2 to Windows 3.1
Wow, talk about a huge step backwards. I went OS/2 to NT4. The biggest problem with OS/2 at that point was that it wouldn't run the newer 32-bit Windows programs. Windows 3.x, 95, 98 were a joke, a GUI running on top of MSDOS.
 

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