Oh sure, trump my pic why dontcha.I'm on my 21st year there, 7 days (night) a week for almost 20 years, haven't had a day off/missed in 12.5 years.
Actually never missed/called off.
thanks, willy!
but unless you mail yourself with that bag so you can fix the brew once you get here i'll pass sort of in a slump right now but i shall save your recipe for better days
With the 316 clapton I had no problem with it hitting temp prematurely. The power peak is 130 watts for 0.5 sec. 45 watts there after. I'm dizzy after 5 hits, got to adjust my nic level.
DW, I'm a little curious why you don't run enough power to allow your DNAs to reach set temp. The chipset is very quick and won't overshoot set temp by more than a few degrees even if you're vaping at 35w but have wattage maxed out. I set my power level around 20% higher than needed to reach set temp to reduce ramp up time and eliminate any chance of overshoot. Nothing wrong with doing it your way, just curious.
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cigatron, you are describing Temperature Dominant TC vaping. Evolv describes this and also Power Dominant TC vaping. In Power Dominant, you have a nice climbing TC curve instead. A lot like just power mode without TC (but you still have TC protection). Some people prefer this kind of vape better. What is nice about Power Dominant is that not all flavors come out the best at one temperature (Temperature Dominant), but some comes out best at different temperatures. Thus when you curve your temperature, you swing through all of the temperatures which can give you the full max flavors with complex juices.
I am not sure, but I think the same sort of thing happens between inhaling the exhaling. Like my Wake Strawbeezy juice. It is supposed to be strawberry cheese cake. And on inhale, you taste creamy strawberry and on exhale you taste nothing but graham crackers. (yummy)
I am not sure, but I think the same sort of thing happens between inhaling the exhaling. Like my Wake Strawbeezy juice. It is supposed to be strawberry cheese cake. And on inhale, you taste creamy strawberry and on exhale you taste nothing but graham crackers. (yummy)
What do you need to know? Playback video retrieving logging in? Its a fairly simple unit to operate.
New to me. I thought the temp dominant and power dominent selection in escribe only changed which of the two settings was displayed on the screen while vaping, while the other function required locking the mod to gain access. Do you have a link to evolv's description of the functions as you have described them?
@cigatron I usually vape a tank or two in straight watts for a new juice. Afterwards I'll set my TC to either your way (quick ramp) to temp, or what DW showed. I agree with Bill's explanations, just not the terminology. However in Bill's defence IIRC Brandon did agree once that was how he envisioned TC (rising temp, using the temp value as a limit). Sure I can find it if you want. It was in an odd discussion with another user 'leewb'. I'll go find it .
Edit:It was actually John not Brandon in this thread. About 3 or 4 posts before this you'll see his (leewb) DM print, similar to @dwcraig1.
And Willy actually commented, but I didn't read it.
Early Firmware and EScribe Suite Discussion Thread
.Edit:It was actually John not Brandon in this thread. About 3 or 4 posts before this you'll see his (leewb) DM print, similar to @dwcraig1.
And Willy actually commented, but I didn't read it.
Early Firmware and EScribe Suite Discussion Thread
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I know John explained this a few times on the Evolv forum, but here he tries to explain it again to Daniel (DJLsbVapes).
Sure, EScribe has that setting for either Temperature or Power Dominant. And yes, that leaves one or the other easy to adjust by up or down on the main screen and the other settings way off on a sub menu and much harder to adjust on the go.
But that is simple to understand. As in Temperature Dominant, you set the wattage and then forget it and tweak your vape by temperature alone.
But in Power Dominant, you do the opposite. You set the temperature and then forget it. And tweak your vape by power alone.
Here is an excellent example of Power Dominant. This is my ADV juice. Sure I could vape it by Temperature Dominant by slamming it to 420-440F and vape it that way. Yeah that works, but it is so much better vaping it with the Power Dominant method.
And I am so glad I managed to grab this one with EScribe. As this is a perfect example of Power Dominant vaping. As the flavor is so much better than slamming it straight to 420-440F and vaping it that way. Since this is on a DNA200, I can't get that exact vape every time (no Replay). But I can adjust the power to get very close for each vape.
Say the coil is ice cold, I need to adjust the power to say 21 watts and it will be very close. If I am going to chain like 3 to 5 hits, about 18 watts. If I chain more I may have to drop the watts down to 12 to get this same vape. But it is very good and I think it is something everyone should try. But dang, Replay makes it so easy and you lock it in and no more fiddling.
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@cigatron I usually vape a tank or two in straight watts for a new juice. Afterwards I'll set my TC to either your way (quick ramp) to temp, or what DW showed. I agree with Bill's explanations, just not the terminology. However in Bill's defence IIRC Brandon did agree once that was how he envisioned TC (rising temp, using the temp value as a limit). Sure I can find it if you want. It was in an odd discussion with another user 'leewb'. I'll go find it
Edit:It was actually John not Brandon in this thread. About 3 or 4 posts before this you'll see his (leewb) DM print, similar to @dwcraig1.
And Willy actually commented, but I didn't read it.
Early Firmware and EScribe Suite Discussion Thread
Yes, Bill's use of the term "dominant" is what queued by response. That and "curve". Perhaps a better way to describe the two ways of using temp control would be "Temp Regulation" vs. "Temp Protect". Both methods do of course provide overtemp protection with the primary difference being that while using the temp regulation method you always reach set temp whereas with the temp protection method you never do unless the wick dries out, you accidentally close off your airflow or just give a weak pull or none at all.
With the exception of the power curve created through the use of .csv curves the only other "curve" created by non-C devices is smooth roll off of power just prior to reaching set temp. Something that only shows up on device monitor when the preheat and power settings are set correctly ie not under or overdriven.
To Bill's defence there is now "preheat temp" on the C models. I don't have a good handle on how that differs significantly from setting up a non-c device to reach temp (temp regulated). There could be some curvy things going on there with preheat temp on C mods, not sure.
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Here is an excellent example of Power Dominant. This is my ADV juice. Sure I could vape it by Temperature Dominant by slamming it to 420-440F and vape it that way. Yeah that works, but it is so much better vaping it with the Power Dominant method.
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And I am so glad I managed to grab this one with EScribe. As this is a perfect example of Power Dominant vaping. As the flavor is so much better than slamming it straight to 420-440F and vaping it that way. Since this is on a DNA200, I can't get that exact vape every time (no Replay). But I can adjust the power to get very close for each vape.
Say the coil is ice cold, I need to adjust the power to say 21 watts and it will be very close. If I am going to chain like 3 to 5 hits, about 18 watts. If I chain more I may have to drop the watts down to 12 to get this same vape. But it is very good and I think it is something everyone should try. But dang, Replay makes it so easy and you lock it in and no more fiddling.
So switch your setting to temp dominant, set temp to 437, set power to 10w, no preheat or punch and regraph. I would be amazed if the gragh looks much different.
The point I'm trying to make is that it's not whether you set your mod to power dominant or temp dominent that determines ramp time, it's your power setting that determines it.
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@dwcraig1 2 more hours and my wifey leaves Mission Bay in San Diego. All she's been doing is yammering on about the flowers, hummingbirds, joggers, and seals in the water. Even jumping fish.
(Abstinence - nope nope nope) Absence does make the heart grow fonder, but I can hardly wait for that real Coffee.
(Abstinence - nope nope nope) Absence does make the heart grow fonder, but I can hardly wait for that real Coffee.
Well setting to power dominant or temp dominant is just a cosmetic thing. But it does makes adjustments easier. As you can pick the wrong setting and still do the same thing. So yes, ramp up time makes all of the difference. And yes you have to adjust the power setting for the ramp time. So you want that to change the power by buried under a sub menu or right out there in front? Take your pick.
True, I think most of us have noticed this. Even on a mech mod as the battery discharges a change in flavor profile is noticeable. Seems that dairy and pastry notes have more presence at slightly higher temps than say fruity flavors. Let's say I'm vaping a lemon cheesecake flavor and want to bring out the graham cracker butter crust flavor more, I'd turn up the temp 5 or 10°, whereas if I wanted to allow the lemon to dominate I would turn down the temp a little. Thing is I don't really know what the mixologist was shooting for in the first place so I adjust temp for a pleasureable vape and leave it there. My power setting always gets set higher than needed to reach whatever temp I select.
Bill, there are three reasons I choose to set my power higher than what is required to reach my highest set temp. The first is to minimize splitback (nothing spits like an under powered coil); the faster the temp ramps up the less chance of spiback. The second is to reduce coil gunking. The third is excessive atty temp.
More on coil gunking. An under powered coil or one that takes a longer time to reach optimum vaporization temp will gunk the coil faster, much faster with certain ingredients like sweeteners. Same goes for cooling off the coil post vape; I always continue my draw for a second after releasing the fire button.
More on hot attys. An under powered coil or one that takes longer to heat up to optimum vaporization temp will get hot faster because the larger vaporized droplets of juice (not just spiback) cannot be cooled as readily by incoming air. These larger droplets will hit the inside of the atty and transfer their heat into the atty surfaces. However, once up to optimum vaporization temp the droplets are smaller, like a super fine mist and can be cooled quite easily by incoming air so your atty won't heat up near as fast.
So to use "temp regulation" most effectively (translated no spitback, long wick life and cooler attys) I have found that the power must be set higher than needed to reach temp but not so high as to outrun the chipset's ability to stop temp overshoot and also to produce a nice power roll off as it nears set temp.
More on power roll off. My understanding is that there is an algorithm built in to temp control to predict how fast a coil will reach set temp once it has heated past a certain percentage of set temp. I'm not sure what that percentage is but it is evident on device monitor that the board rolls off the power before the coil reaches the set temp (a power curve if you will). If you reduce the power setting the curve gets wider before reaching set temp, if you increase power the curve gets narrower, if you turn up the power really high the curve becomes virtually nonexistant and can even cause a slight overshoot in temp. On some finicky dnas using excessive power in combination with low tcr wire can even kick you out of tc.
More on power curves for flavor. In this discussion have we even considered when vaporization actually starts in the heating process? TCR curves and power curves are great things to ponder but if we consider that we're probably not even producing vapor at less than 300° and not much vapor even at 350° it stands to reason that anything happening below those temps is meaningless. The temp range I focus my attention on is 390-440° where likely 95% of my vapor is being produced.
I'd like to stress that I'm not trying to push my style of tc on anyone. There is nothing wrong with using tc in a different way.
Lonnie
ETA: Sorry for the ultra long post. I'm blamimg it on my new tablet and increased cell signal.
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Really? Okay here goes.
Yeah well that didn't work so well.
Yeah it doesn't really matter (it's just a cosmetic thing). But if it is in Temperature Dominant mode, it would be a pain to lock, hold down up and down buttons and then keep adjusting the power. Why not just adjust the power by up and down buttons alone?
Oh yeah, that is what Power Dominant mode is for.
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