don't rightly know how to mark that post
I have a new home in mind for it, I don't trust the place to return it, I'll just give it to a friend of mine for Christmas (last Christmas actually)don't rightly know how to mark that post
i have read plenty on the subject - i was objecting to willy's post claiming the wapo was misleading their readers. as far as i can see that's not so - the headline i saw tied the vaping 'offshoot' to deaths and lung damages.
really aggravating though that you can't discuss in here what's all over the news ......... sigh
It's not the article that's misleading, it's the title. If non vaping folks only read the title of the link, it they don't go and read the story, what impression does the title leave them with?
Vaping is bad.
MSM has a history of this and it is misleading and intentional, how many times before it is not just a coincidence? Yet another example
Reading just that title, what will the majority of non vaping folks think?
These people are supposed to be professionals, they can't come up with a title that accurately reflects the facts in the article? Just another oops?
Anecdotal evidence of the MSM influence -
I had to go to a planning Board meeting tonight and my neighbor was going too, so I picked him up. As soon as he got into the truck he said "Those electronic cigarettes are dangerous and are killing people. Don't you read the news?"
I then explained it to him and asked him if he'd inhale some heated Quaker State or canola oil. We all know the answer. He was very surprised to hear of THC oil and it being used to vape with. Hopefully, ECF will leave the unedited.
Just a single example, but I think it is representative of what is happening with this.
I had to go to a planning Board meeting tonight and my neighbor was going too, so I picked him up. As soon as he got into the truck he said "Those electronic cigarettes are dangerous and are killing people. Don't you read the news?"
I then explained it to him and asked him if he'd inhale some heated Quaker State or canola oil. We all know the answer. He was very surprised to hear of THC oil and it being used to vape with. Hopefully, ECF will leave the unedited.
Just a single example, but I think it is representative of what is happening with this.
tiburonfirst, or anyone else ........ I'll either c%p the entire WaPo for you here, or send it via a PM. Just lemme know.
Strangely enough I received the two 20700 cells from the problem place, they were addressed to my order number, I thought at first it was something my son had ordered. The package had a tracking number that I didn't receive and they were mailed 2 days ago.
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never mind the url - what was the actual headline of the article? i can't follow - all out of free articles
Try deleting your Washington Post cookies, that has worked for me when I exceed a set number of articles.
Thank You Classy, interesting read. Quoted from Dr. Farsalinos :
"In no announcement do they mention in the title that many cases have been confirmed (and others are simply not confirmed yet) as related to the use of cannabis (and/or THC) inhalation using a battery-and-resistance device (i.e. an e-cigarette device)."
Guess I'm not the only one to pick this up.
Once you see how MSM intentionally tries to manipulate the public's opinion you start paying attention. They have agenda's and can not be trusted to bring you truth. It's no longer news reporting, it's become opinions and story telling, unnamed & unverified sources, lies and "fake news". Research who owns virtually all of "the news media" (MSM), it's a handful of people.
i've been known to do that
when i really, really wanted to read something or switch to chrome and read from there anyhow willy, the problem as i see it - while vitamin e was found in quite a few thc samples there are also people with lung damage who never touched that stuff. there really is not much oversight in the e-liquid industry. btw there have been documented cases of lipoid pneumonia in vapers going back years and years.
Vitamin E now a focus of the investigation into some vaping illnesses
Tibs, that NBC article once again supports the "vaping is bad" theory without mentioning the actual cause of the problem, which is people using oils, of one sort or another, as the "carrier" for flavors. Lipoid pneumonia is the common thread, not vaping. If vaping is so dangerous, perhaps nebulizers shouldn't be used in hospitals, either, since they use PG as a carrier. Who, with even a modicum of common sense, would vape vaseline (the early case cited by NBC), olive oil, canola oil, vitamin E oil or any other oil? Yet this seems to be the common thread involved in all these lung damage cases. The reports are hysterical musings of totally uninformed people with an agenda to sell and they're doing a good job sales job. The whole thing started with the addition of THC oil being used as a vaping liquid by people who haven't got a clue about what they're doing.
I won't even go into the whole "nicotine is and addictive substance" routine since that's a whole other can of worms. At the levels used by vapers, and smokers, it's about as addictive as caffeine.
I won't even go into the whole "nicotine is and addictive substance" routine since that's a whole other can of worms. At the levels used by vapers, and smokers, it's about as addictive as caffeine.
apparently, plenty of people
you might say that that early case shows a lack of common sense but it happened''The woman admitted to inhaling home brews of marijuana oil made with either petroleum jelly or vitamin E oil.''
and i distinctly remember some recipes on the diy e-liquid threads with outlandish ingredients where i shook my head in disbelief. yes, oils are in all likelihood the culprits and should not have found their way into e-liquids but they did. we know there are benefits in vaping but anybody buying liquids is taking a leap of faith the way it stands right now!
Generally, I think that the overwhelming majority of commercial liquids are pretty safe and don't contain oils, at the very least. Even the few that may have some component of oil in them it is a fractional amount, not the total base carrier. It's not in the interest of a manufacturer to make their customers sick or kill them.
Now it's going further. I just watched a news report, with a medical doctor, Marc Seigle, who made it a point to mention that the current crop of problems seem to be related to THC oils. But, there's always a but, he went on to talk about the "very high levels" of nicotine in Juul as an example. He conveniently neglected to mention that the absorbtion rate of nicotine from vaping is considerably lower than the absorption rate when smoking.
The problem is superficial examination of numbers without examining the full data. That is very similar to the early tests that "conclusively" showed extremely high levels of aldehydes in vapor. They never mentioned that they were running all their tests at maximum power levels or even dry burning the atomizers and producing vapor that no one could vape, even with iron lungs.
Newton Minnow was right, back in the '60s, when he said TV is a vast wasteland and now it's also made the MSM a vast wasteland.
Now it's going further. I just watched a news report, with a medical doctor, Marc Seigle, who made it a point to mention that the current crop of problems seem to be related to THC oils. But, there's always a but, he went on to talk about the "very high levels" of nicotine in Juul as an example. He conveniently neglected to mention that the absorbtion rate of nicotine from vaping is considerably lower than the absorption rate when smoking.
The problem is superficial examination of numbers without examining the full data. That is very similar to the early tests that "conclusively" showed extremely high levels of aldehydes in vapor. They never mentioned that they were running all their tests at maximum power levels or even dry burning the atomizers and producing vapor that no one could vape, even with iron lungs.
Newton Minnow was right, back in the '60s, when he said TV is a vast wasteland and now it's also made the MSM a vast wasteland.
Marc Seigle is either ignorant on the facts about vaping or he has an agenda. After the last few years hearing the crap he spews on vaping I'm leaning towards agenda because I can't believe professionals in the know haven't sent him info or reached out to him and let him know he needs to do more research. Either way he's making an ... out of himself, he claims to still be a practicing doctor, not someone I would ever seek out for help and if I was his medical malpractice insurance carrier I'd drop him in a heartbeat.
Last post I'll make about MSM, turn on the news at 6 AM the morning, flip the channels from one news channel to the other and listen to the same identical talking points. This has been going on for at least ten years, that's when I first took note and thought how strange, each station reporting the same topics using identical talking point phrases when they first come on in the morning?? That's is not natural, not unless someone is giving them a list of today's talking points. Now it's so obvious but it's also amazing no one seems to notice! Everyone tunes in to get their daily doses of,
"these are the people you should hate today"
Orwell's 1984 right before our eyes.
I stopped reading news papers many years ago and I watch very little news, it's all garbage and filled with anger, I don't need that crap in my life, to each their own.
"these are the people you should hate today"
Orwell's 1984 right before our eyes.
I stopped reading news papers many years ago and I watch very little news, it's all garbage and filled with anger, I don't need that crap in my life, to each their own.
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