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I'm stuck in XP Pro / Windows Server 2003 land. Why? Because I own business software that is specific to my trade. The software I have is still more than adequate for me. The cost of upgrading hardware pales in comparison to the cost of the same or comparable (not a lot of it out there) software that will run on modern OS's. On top of that the newer software is not owned, you pay to use it for continual monthly or yearly fees.

Do not know what software or business you run, but have you ever performed a risk assessment? I’ve seen a fair share of great financial losses due to EOL software
 

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We have a 2010 & a 2011 that have been working day in & out for 10 years now!

You've been fortunate with your 2011 models. I had two Macbook Pro 2011's fail with the infamous GPU issue. Just google it, plenty of 2011's had the problem.

And re: s/w that won't run on a Mac:

I haven't updated my OSX eScribe s/w for some time so it might have changed ... but the version I'm running has a 32 bit component. That's likely to stop it from running on Catalina which only supports 64 bit apps.

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You've been fortunate with your 2011 models. I had two Macbook Pro 2011's fail with the infamous GPU issue. Just google it, plenty of 2011's had the problem.

And re: s/w that won't run on a Mac:

I haven't updated my OSX eScribe s/w for some time so it might have changed ... but the version I'm running has a 32 bit component. That's likely to stop it from running on Catalina which only supports 64 bit apps.

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Yes the 15”. 2011. Is known for that issue, it’s very common & reflects in its resale price :(. Luckily. We have. 13”. Models :)
 

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    No one can change BillW50's mind about many beliefs he has. I don't even try. I still love that guy and his (even numbered) buying habits. Reminds me of me ;)

    But thinking of Moore's Law from the 70's which is probably no longer valid (pretty sure someone will correct me (cuz I don't scour the net if it's still valid) chip densities/power doubles every 2 years for the same price, I only ever built my PC's onesies, so to have 8 Gateways or multiple Alienware, in hindsight might not have been the greatest

    Competition is always good for any industry, whether it be in VCR's, competing DVD formats, OS's, anything and everything.

    A wise man, Ben Franklin once said 'Time is money' :)

    MikeE3 I'll slap escribe on the latest OS today (10.15.4 IIRC) and get back to you with an answer. :D
     

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    I haven't updated my OSX eScribe s/w for some time so it might have changed ... but the version I'm running has a 32 bit component. That's likely to stop it from running on Catalina which only supports 64 bit apps.

    My Mac & E-scribe are up to date, Running fine Here :)

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    No one can change BillW50's mind about many beliefs he has. I don't even try. I still love that guy and his (even numbered) buying habits. Reminds me of me ;)

    But thinking of Moore's Law from the 70's which is probably no longer valid (pretty sure someone will correct me (cuz I don't scour the net if it's still valid) chip densities/power doubles every 2 years for the same price, I only ever built my PC's onesies, so to have 8 Gateways or multiple Alienware, in hindsight might not have been the greatest

    Competition is always good for any industry, whether it be in VCR's, competing DVD formats, OS's, anything and everything.

    A wise man, Ben Franklin once said 'Time is money' :)

    MikeE3 I'll slap escribe on the latest OS today (10.15.4 IIRC) and get back to you with an answer. :D

    That would be nice of you. I'm running Mojave and dumping and trying to replace some of my legacy 32 bit apps before moving to Catalina.
     

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    My Mac & E-scribe are up to date, Running fine Here :)

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    Opps ... we were posting at the same time ... thank you. But I'm sure it would behoove me to update my eScribe ... it's an old version.
     

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    8 USB port’s? Nothing special and I am sure many manufactures employed the same config at the time.

    Where? They were super rare. Even four USB ports alone were rare. Although two or three were fairly common. And I used all eight of them. ;)

    The question becomes how well does the computer handle 8 USB ports all with devices connected to them. This is something Gateway or any computer manufacture can not over come for they are all bound to the limitations of the PCH chipset.

    Surprising very well. The dock also has a parallel and RS-232 ports that the M465 doesn't have. I suspect the dock also has quite a bit electronics within as well. The dock's power supply is much beefier than the laptop's power supply and the dock's supply can supply power to the dock and the laptop.

    If I got this right, the T7400 Intel processor for that Gateway machine employs a 667MHz FSB - hard drives, network connection, audio, USB or any other low level connection are all fighting over that measly 667MHz bus. This includes floppy and ROM drives. Nothing ground breaking here.

    The Gateway M465 came configured with many different CPUs options. Three from the top of my head were T2400, T5600, and T7400, but there were lots more. But the one I use the most does use a T7400. And look at that connector between the dock and laptop. How many pins? Like a hundred? What's all inside of that dock? Another computer?

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    The fact this Gateway could run Windows, Linux or even macOS is due to all these operating systems follow the same Intel x86 architect. You could run Windows or even macOS on a Android device due to this very reason.

    Ah true. But you are forgetting one important ingredient. You also need the drivers. Without drivers it is useless and I have been foiled many times by the lack of drivers. Heck once I had to hack one video card driver to work with another card that didn't have a driver. That was a nightmare. I really hate writing video card drivers. And the Gateway M465 had the drivers for the old and new. :D

    2007 was just another year in the life of evolving technology. At the time there may have been some impressive breakthroughs but we’ve superseded that and by vast amounts. SSD’s was a welcomed change, but still held back by the limitations of the SATA interface. They can’t hold a candle to the current M.2 or PCIe interfaces. Sure, older software may not be compatible with current OS’s or even hardware. But using a 9x developed program is your choice. For myself, antiquated software has come and gone. The 9x era was fun at the time, but pales in comparison to current software. Advancement in software development drives hardware development and vice versa – can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs.

    Ah... yes SATA was replacing PATA then, which was a PIA to install XP SP2 or lower on SATA drive. And PCIe went mainstream around 2007. Wasn't WiFi cards already using them? Anyway I know some netbooks were using PCIe SSD.

    9x developed program? No I meant running any NT based Windows version you wanted to. Because all the drivers were available. Plus you had the old I/O ports if you needed them. Although you could run 9x applications too.
     

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    No one can change BillW50's mind about many beliefs he has. I don't even try. I still love that guy and his (even numbered) buying habits. Reminds me of me ;)

    I wouldn't say that. You can find older posts from me where I said I never would own an Apple product. Now look at me, I own two iPhone SE. What did it? Flying my DJI drone over my south 40 and making a sharp right turn and the DJI Android App crashed. Almost all the time, same thing, crash. I have a drone hovering over my south 40 and my Android is rebooting. :facepalm:

    Is it going to hit something? IDK Is a hawk attacking it? IDK Did the compass crap out again and the wind is blowing it away? IDK. I had to do something about this. And on the RC forums, they assured me the iPhone version doesn't crash. Dang, I had to step over the line where I sworn I would never do. So I bought an iPhone. And they are right, it doesn't crash the App on the iPhone.

    But thinking of Moore's Law from the 70's which is probably no longer valid (pretty sure someone will correct me (cuz I don't scour the net if it's still valid) chip densities/power doubles every 2 years for the same price, I only ever built my PC's onesies, so to have 8 Gateways or multiple Alienware, in hindsight might not have been the greatest

    Ah... but what would life be like without them? :D

    Anyway I still use them. And I use them along side of the newer ones. :D
     

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    I said I never would own an Apple product. Now look at me, I own two iPhone SE.

    I'm sorry Bill I'm going to have to report you to the Apple Police! The rules clearly state you can NOT! Dis OS if you own an Apple product, prepare to relinquish the 2 SE's :lol::lol:
     
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    Anyway I still use them. And I use them along side of the newer ones. :D
    Aah yes, in my old tired mind it was a new pair of laptops less than a year ago.
    Ya know, about 25 years ago I bought a pair of double Henkel knives. 1 is still in the package :facepalm:
     

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    That would be nice of you. I'm running Mojave and dumping and trying to replace some of my legacy 32 bit apps before moving to Catalina.

    @drmarble ... you red X'ed my post. You don't like Catalina? If yes, curious as to why?
     

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    I just tried a Chromebook like OS on my desktop called Cloudready, I ran it from a USB 2.0 flash drive which lets you check that everything is working prior to installing on the hard drive. It was a bit sluggish running off USB 2.0 but looked quite promising.
    It is available is 32 or 64 bit, Windows or Mac, no dual boot though. Maybe down the road I'll find something to install it on. About 3 weeks ago I restored a Chromebook for a coworker and the OS was no longer supported, perhaps it can work on that.
    After starting Windows 10 again the clock and date was about 8 hours ahead for some reason.
     

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    Windows 64 bit runs the 32 bit apps just fine, it that not the case with Apple OS?

    Mojave is the last Mac OS that will run both 32 and 64 bit. Their newest OS Catalina is only 64 bit. It annoyed a lot of Mac users. For me moving to Catalina, I've had to replace a text/html editor app that was 32 bit. And I won't be able to run 1 of my older Canon camera apps that I've never used and load the current version of the rest of them ... and to my great dismay I won't be able to run Turbo Tax 2011.

    So I'm not really upset if I move to Catalina. I'm staying on Mojave for a while yet, 'till I get more time on the wife's to look at Catalina more.

    @Steamer861 ... my wife's computer is running Catalina. I don't get much time to use her 'puter but I did look at iTunes on it because I have a big iTunes library and wanted to see the changes. Some good, some I'll have to get used to. And it's odd using Finder for iPhone/iPad backups now instead of iTunes.
     

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    Do not know what software or business you run, but have you ever performed a risk assessment? I’ve seen a fair share of great financial losses due to EOL software
    I'll have to plead ignorant, "risk assesment" (in my early days of "higher" education) was combing over code to find possible points of failure. Later often called white hat hacking. If you are referring to outside ingress, I set up a honeypot back in 2003 that occasionally got someone curious but no one in the last 5 years. Who wants to hack into an ancient server that does not have web service set up and contains trash 80 software. The software I have has financial, inventory, work orders, purchase orders, invoicing, and most importantly very powerful and intuitive estimating all integrated. When my former employer switched to this from quickbooks it made quickbooks look like a rudimentary program written on a Sinclair ZX. Funny thing is that it has sold 3 times from the original developer and intuit owns it now under a different name. My 16.1 version uses the old fox pro DBF database structure and files which I am very familiar with and I was licensed as an API developer so I have all the structure relationships etc. I wrote several programs that integrate with the database for some things we wanted that it didn't do exactly the way we wanted. When he closed down and pushed me to open my own business he sold it to me for $1 with 7 licenses (although I only use 2) along with the server and 2 XP clients. Been through 3 hard drives on that old HP Proliant but it keeps on ticking.
     

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