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Even worse, vendors don't make this any easier, by selling equipment that people just quite simply shouldn't buy because it's inferior to everything else on the market. I'd still be on CE4 clearomizers and lost faith in vaping if I didn't spend HOURS trying to understand the differences between top coil and bottom coil, what causes that occasional burning taste (which I finally figured out is what people were calling "dry hits"), what liquids cause tanks to crack, etc. before I settled on the T3S for most liquids (which is still on the lower end of the scale, I know) and a Protank for the the tank-crackers, which seemed to be the best bang for my buck. I shouldn't HAVE to be doing that much reading to realize that this CE4 that everyone sells that matches what my battery came with is what was causing my inability to enjoy vaping. No one should be selling it at all when it's obvious (based on this forum, anyways) that no one actually sticks with them, even though they keep being sold. It causes too many layers of abstraction that benefits no one.

Sorry... just my opinion, people are free to correct me.

CE4, Vivi Nova, iClear clearos come with top coils--which causes wicking problems because the heating coil is located on top of the tank so your juice have to travel upwards--against gravity.

I prefer bottom coils--I like Kanger and Aspire clearos a lot.

A few tips while using Kangers: :D

Kanger Troubleshooting 101:

If your clearo is flooding, the connections are not tight enough--or too tight. Keep reading.

If you're using clearos and getting a burnt taste it means that not enough juice is getting to the coil and you're basically vaping dry, hot air or inhaling smoke from the gunk that's burning off of your coil. Not a good thing. Another case of bad taste maybe the tank itself--some arrive covered with some kind of nasty grease; wash them with soap and water (just the tanks--soak the coils in PGA or vodka).

There are a few things you need to remember when using a T3 or an eVod or a ProTank--in addition to keeping your coils clean and free of gunk that accumulates on them.

1) Make sure that the atomizer coil is screwed into the base tightly--every time you refill; they often come not fully tightened from the manufacturer, or may have gotten loose through repeated refills.

2) Look at all the inner seals and gaskets to make sure they haven't become dislodged.

3) Make sure that you screw the tank into its base tightly. If it's not tight, it will leak.

4) When you screw your clearomizer into your battery, do not overtighten--screw it in only until it makes contact--no farther, or you may push the center post in too deep and cause all kinds of problems, including leaking. When the draw becomes tight or the taste and vapor production begin to diminish, replace the coil. This will happen sooner (even as soon as one day of heavy use) if you're using dark, viscous, or very sweet juices. The old coil can be cleaned and dry burned.

5) Make sure you're not getting any juice in the center tube when you're filling--this will cause your eVod to leak like a sieve. If some juice gets into the tube, close the top cap, place a tissue under your tank and blow gently through the clearomizer to get rid of any excess eliquid. Also, extra condensation inside the tank may, on some occasions, drip back into the center tube. Wipe your mouthpiece dry with a q-tip or a tissue when you refill (or more often when/if needed).

6) Take an occasional "primer puff" (a slow draw without activating the battery) when you vape. It helps move the juice into the coil chamber and removes any air bubbles that sometimes form in the tank and may cause gurgling or impede proper wicking.

7) Take slow long draws rather than sharp and quick ones like we used to do while smoking cigarettes. Do not over vape, chain vape, power vape. Let the juice travel to the coil between drags.

and last but not least

8) Do not remove any flavor wicks if you're experiencing any leaking or flooding. Those wicks are there for a reason. If you feel that you have to remove a wick because your eliquid is particularly thick, do it carefully--one strand at a time. If your liquid is super thin, you can thicken it with a bit of VG (USP--pharma grade) or you can add another strand of cotton to your flavor wick. Don't add too much or you'll choke your atomizer and get a dry hit.

Also, make sure you're vaping at correct wattages; I like 5.5-7 watts.

Good luck!
 

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I was new myself not very long ago and also found the astounding amount of "stuff" to learn very confusing for a while. Had to do LOTS and LOTS of reading and just let some time pass while the info sunk in....which is the case with learning many new things, for me at least. There is still lots I don't know about the vaping world, and if the time comes where I want to know more, I'll read and read again, as well as ask questions and hit the videos. It is disappointing though when you ask a question and don't get an answer, or get one that is still too complicated to understand with the knowledge you have at the moment.

(AndriaD, I know what you mean about the frustration of trying to watch a video. It's not been all that long that we've had a fast enough internet connection to actually enjoy a video! I hated watching one when it was always stopping and starting!!!! Hope you get that problem solved soon!)
 

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MY SETUP IS BIGGER AND BETTER THAN YOUR SETUP! ITS MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!

Look I'm subohming at 0.1 ohms, I LIVE ON THE EDGE.

THIS WILL BE THE BEST $200 DOLLARS YOU WILL SPEND ON A TANK (When something that costs $20 can do precisely the same thing)


Thats how I see many 'experienced' vapers, not just on here but in general. Oh well it humours me so carry on guys!

I didn't want to say it for the fear of being an untouchable :p, but I think everyones seen this at least once, they're everywhere in every hobby. Oh look I saw this just now!
When I was a noob I needed a knuckle head too and it kept juice from getting in my mouth real well but I don't need one now and glad of it. It just looked weird to me... never adjusted. I can see where that would be nice laying down watching TV though.
 

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CE4, Vivi Nova, iClear clearos come with top coils--which causes wicking problems because the heating coil is located on top of the tank so your juice have to travel upwards--against gravity.

I prefer bottom coils--I like Kanger and Aspire clearos a lot.

A few tips while using Kangers: :D

Kanger Troubleshooting 101:

If your clearo is flooding, the connections are not tight enough--or too tight. Keep reading.

If you're using clearos and getting a burnt taste it means that not enough juice is getting to the coil and you're basically vaping dry, hot air or inhaling smoke from the gunk that's burning off of your coil. Not a good thing. Another case of bad taste maybe the tank itself--some arrive covered with some kind of nasty grease; wash them with soap and water (just the tanks--soak the coils in PGA or vodka).

There are a few things you need to remember when using a T3 or an eVod or a ProTank--in addition to keeping your coils clean and free of gunk that accumulates on them.

1) Make sure that the atomizer coil is screwed into the base tightly--every time you refill; they often come not fully tightened from the manufacturer, or may have gotten loose through repeated refills.

2) Look at all the inner seals and gaskets to make sure they haven't become dislodged.

3) Make sure that you screw the tank into its base tightly. If it's not tight, it will leak.

4) When you screw your clearomizer into your battery, do not overtighten--screw it in only until it makes contact--no farther, or you may push the center post in too deep and cause all kinds of problems, including leaking. When the draw becomes tight or the taste and vapor production begin to diminish, replace the coil. This will happen sooner (even as soon as one day of heavy use) if you're using dark, viscous, or very sweet juices. The old coil can be cleaned and dry burned.

5) Make sure you're not getting any juice in the center tube when you're filling--this will cause your eVod to leak like a sieve. If some juice gets into the tube, close the top cap, place a tissue under your tank and blow gently through the clearomizer to get rid of any excess eliquid. Also, extra condensation inside the tank may, on some occasions, drip back into the center tube. Wipe your mouthpiece dry with a q-tip or a tissue when you refill (or more often when/if needed).

6) Take an occasional "primer puff" (a slow draw without activating the battery) when you vape. It helps move the juice into the coil chamber and removes any air bubbles that sometimes form in the tank and may cause gurgling or impede proper wicking.

7) Take slow long draws rather than sharp and quick ones like we used to do while smoking cigarettes. Do not over vape, chain vape, power vape. Let the juice travel to the coil between drags.

and last but not least

8) Do not remove any flavor wicks if you're experiencing any leaking or flooding. Those wicks are there for a reason. If you feel that you have to remove a wick because your eliquid is particularly thick, do it carefully--one strand at a time. If your liquid is super thin, you can thicken it with a bit of VG (USP--pharma grade) or you can add another strand of cotton to your flavor wick. Don't add too much or you'll choke your atomizer and get a dry hit.

Also, make sure you're vaping at correct wattages; I like 5.5-7 watts.

Good luck!

I wish I had this post when I got my first aspire (et-s, I still love it!), that's pretty much everything in a nutshell for all clearo's well done :D
 
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Hi Terrel. Alas, there is some math involved, but not much, if you want to use APVs correctly. I'm sorry--vaping is a bit more complicated than smoking--but not much. But there's no bypassing that learning curve.

Tank cracking juices: citrus, cinnamon, licorice, cherry, banana. Most juice vendors started to include warnings on their sites.

Electricity and Ohm's Law--this is all you need to know to happily vape forever: :facepalm: I aploogize.

*SNIP*

.......... I think I'd have greater success disassembling a microwave. APVs are likely permanently off the table for me forever. Good to know.
 

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Cheapest route and possibly most versitile....something like a K100 mechanical mod (around $40 ish) ...which will allow for 18350, 18490, and 18650 IMR batteries (around $10 for AW) ...
You could choose to use the 18490 battery with a kick2 chip (which would add variable wattage and extra protection) (totally optional but another $40 ish)...
And then a decent intelligent charger... (I'm partial to the xtar vp1...but it's about $40)

That would allow you to top it with just about anything at all you wanted...with the 24A AW 18650 battery mentioned in my previous post would let you build down to about .3 ohm safely...

Hello Drozd. It's funny, you may recall that I asked you about mods years ago--I was in the same position Andria is now and I was considering getting a GG.

Anyway, since you still know much more about mechs and their safety than I'll ever know, I'll just defer to you for that part of my forthcoming answer to Andria's questions.

I just want to add that I agree with you on the subject of batteries--I use only AW IMR batts (I buy mine from RTD Vapor) and I use Nitecore Intellicharger (I2)--they are much cheaper than Xtars and they don't come with those annoying spacers, which is important to me--I use mostly small (18350 and 18490) batteries.

And thanks again for helping me out back when. :D
 

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ive been to a few local shops but i may end up ordering from fasttech

Fasttech is OK as long as you know exactly what you want to order and are prepared to wait a long time and/or even for your package being sent back to FT because of customs crackdowns.

They sell a lot of knockoffs--so read the description of each item carefully. ;)
 
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Well, mainly I just need to know what to look for, as far as safety is concerned. I'm quite limited by budget, but I have found some mechs that were not very costly -- I just don't know if they're safe, this thing about regulated vs. unregulated... or how to make it safe, with a proper battery, or maybe that fuse thing. When I was just looking for starter kits, I figured most of them were pretty much safe. But now, I really see the benefit in a more advanced, or perhaps *less* advanced, since they're mech instead of electronic, type of device, for the potential future of all this anti-vaping legislation -- I'd really like a device in which I could change the batteries instead of just scrapping the whole device, if in the future they're going to be WAYYYYYYYY more costly than they are now. So mainly, I'm interested in safety -- I already survived 2 almost-fires, I sure don't want any real ones! But I'm looking at mechs because I'm also interested in adaptability, and potential for survival over the long run.
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Andria

Andria, first my thoughts on bans--I'm not too worried about hardware; the only thing they can really regulate/tax/ban is nicotine. So if you're worried, get a bottle of high strength nicotine base, unflavored, either PG or VG, pour it in small amber or cobalt glass bottles and stick it in your freezer. I haven't done it yet, but I'm watching legislation news like a hawk.

If you want a mod with replaceable batteries, I can only tell you what I did myself, the decision is yours. I feel that mechanicals are only useful for people who engage in extreme, high wattage, sub-ohm vaping. And for people who really understand batteries and their safety. Since I'm in neither group, I decided to buy regulated mods. I just feel safer using them--and I like variable voltage/wattage, circuit protection and other features that come with regulated mods. Yes, there are electronics involved--but that's what works for me. If you want to get a mechanical, I strongly suggest you also get Kick 2 that Drozd mentioned--it will turn your mech into a regulated device.

If you just want a mod with replaceable batteries, most e-cigs offer that option. Even eGo batteries come with replaceable batteries, like the eGo R:

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The very popular MVP 2 has its own replaceable battery version--iTaste VTR. But it's expensive and very heavy:

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Two of the most popular Chinese mods are the Vamo (I recommend stainless steel V5) and Sigelei Zmax (V3 and up). I own a Sigelei Zmax mini (with an extension cap for 18490 battery) and I like it a lot. I do not have a Vamo so I can't personally vouch for it. Both can be bought locally or from Fasttech. There are many other mods out there--you may want to visit out APV subforum and look around or talk to actual owners and get some more info there.

Good luck and happy vaping!

And if you have any more questions, just ask! :)
 
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It's not so much a "snobbery" issue that I have found, but more that there's a lack of understanding by some users that their hobby is still incredibly new to large swaths of the population. And yet the technical jargon that is just EXPECTED to be understood baffles me.

I get that some of you like your box mods and your Provari and lord knows what else... but if I need to read a physics textbook to understand how that benefits me as an end user because some of you can't boil down what happens when I turn the knob to a different number in less than a full paragraph, forget it. It becomes of zero value to me. And that is where I believe the root of any "snobbery" people find comes from.

The industry and the people in it could really use a "dumbing down" for casual users so we can actually understand all the benefits to more advanced gear. Until that happens, I fear that such snobbery will continue and people will continue to use things because they're easier to understand, even if that means they aren't going to get an experience that's ideal for them.

Even worse, vendors don't make this any easier, by selling equipment that people just quite simply shouldn't buy because it's inferior to everything else on the market. I'd still be on CE4 clearomizers and lost faith in vaping if I didn't spend HOURS trying to understand the differences between top coil and bottom coil, what causes that occasional burning taste (which I finally figured out is what people were calling "dry hits"), what liquids cause tanks to crack, etc. before I settled on the T3S for most liquids (which is still on the lower end of the scale, I know) and a Protank for the the tank-crackers, which seemed to be the best bang for my buck. I shouldn't HAVE to be doing that much reading to realize that this CE4 that everyone sells that matches what my battery came with is what was causing my inability to enjoy vaping. No one should be selling it at all when it's obvious (based on this forum, anyways) that no one actually sticks with them, even though they keep being sold. It causes too many layers of abstraction that benefits no one.

Sorry... just my opinion, people are free to correct me.

I completely agree with you; I had to buy the full iTaste vv3 starter kit (with iClear16 clearos) in order to understand that I HATE TOP COIL CLEAROS!!! If someone had explained the difference -- no, NOT the position of the coil, that much is obvious from the name, "bottom coil clearomizer" -- what it MEANS to have either a top or bottom coil -- top coil, hot, destroys my juice -- bottom coil, warm, does not destroy the taste of my juice OR blister my lips with its heat -- I could have saved some money. Now I have 4 iClear16s (I destroyed one in my fumbling first efforts with the iTaste) I can't do anything with, because I'm sure not going to use them. I also got the T3S, in a local B&M because I wanted to use the new gizmo, not sit and wait for mail order, so I paid about $3-$4 more for it than anywhere online, but I like it so much that I immediately ordered another, this time for a very reasonable $5.99. But as much as I like the T3S, it came with no instructions of any kind for its use and care; I had to find those for myself, online. Fortunately I also happened on an excellent price for an ARO Pyrex, for those naughty juices that fold spindle and mutilate plastic, and thank god I learned about those juices before I wrecked my new T3Ss.

Maybe what is needed is more than just a new member forum; maybe there should be a "vaping for dummies" forum too; because no matter how smart any of us are, with unfamiliar technical things, everyone's a dummy, until they learn it. These mods, for an excllent example -- when I first got here, I made a lot of ill-considered remarks about how fat and clunky some of those things are, not realizing that the reason they're fat and clunky is because a) they're mechanical, and mechanical things are typically NOT as small as electronics, and b) because they're got great whopping batteries in them that last a long time. Had I known those 2 facts, I would not have made the remarks I did about PVs that look like sex toys. :D (well, they DO!)

Andria
 

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Very well said. As a noob I appreciate all the good info and recommendations. Seems most everyone coexists quite peacefully here. Reminds me of the jam band counter culture. Having said that I do feel in my local shops I have gotten some vibes that were less than inviting. I just smile and think &%$* em.:D
 

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I can say that my first experience at a B&M shop yesterday was a good one. A friend who is a cigar enthusiast, and was inquiring about my vaping, told me his favorite shop now had a vaping section in the middle of the store.

The wife and I went there yesterday morning. While it was still a tobacco shop, the girl behind the 'vape' counter, was very nice and helpful. She seemed pretty knowledgeable too. I told her right from the get-go that my wife and I were noobs, and this was our very first time buying juice. I also told her what equipment we were waiting for to arrive in the mail. She was extremely helpful and patient with us, and shared as much knowledge as she could and gave us some great advice! She made our very first tasting/purchasing experience a pleasant one.
 

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I make good money and can afford top end gear (of which I have acquired way too much), I am also a serial hobbyist and tend to go "full ......" with my hobbies as I have with vaping. I have experienced the same thing in a few B&M's and its actually pretty funny to me as someone who knows their vaping gear that over half of the vape "snobs" and "hipsters" I have run into have no idea what they are talking about. I had a young lady try to lecture me about about mods using her clone mech and clone RDA while I was standing there with a genuine copper Stingray with a genuine Helios on top of it. What I do when I meet these kind is just smile and walk away, if its a business I don't go back. I have several coworkers that vape using various types of gear from the cheapest to the priciest and I honestly don't care what they use, what I do care about is that we all quit smoking and haven't looked back. So, not everybody that goes "full ......" on vape stuff is a snob, but I do agree they are out there. Personally to combat this perception alot of people new to vaping might have because they have run across vape snobs I teach classes at my local juice shop where I teach people how to wrap coils and do wicks on whatever device they may use, and give them a chance to use my gear if they are interested in mechs and rebuildables so they can try before they buy.
 
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Hello Drozd. It's funny, you may recall that I asked you about mods years ago--I was in the same position Andria is now and I was considering getting a GG.

Anyway, since you still know much more about mechs and their safety than I'll ever know, I'll just defer to you for that part of my forthcoming answer to Andria's questions.

I just want to add that I agree with you on the subject of batteries--I use only AW IMR batts (I buy mine from RTD Vapor) and I use Nitecore Intellicharger (I2)--they are much cheaper than Xtars and they don't come with those annoying spacers, which is important to me--I use mostly small (18350 and 18490) batteries.

And thanks again for helping me out back when. :D
No problem...lol...if I remember my problem with the GG has always been the price versus the actual build quality of the product and the attitude of the creator...

Chargers like anything else are a matter of personal preference...I liked the xtar because of the 2 independent channels the car charging adapter, and some of it's other charge features..and I didnt need spacers

EDIT: I wouldn't nessicarily call those small batteries...even the AW IMR 18350 is capable of 6A...which is more than sufficient if not attempting to sub ohm...the 18490 good for 16.5A (better than the 2000mAh 18650)...and incidentally since the kick is 15mm tall (combined they're the same size)

A note for the other newbies since it hasn't been mentioned here yet....battery models like 18650 ....are named for their size in mm...the first 2 numbers are their diameter the second 2 their length and the trailing 0 just indicates a round cell... so 18650 means 18mm diameter x 65mm long...
The one oddity we run into...the 18490/18500...is the same battery...it has a button top and that adds 10mm to the cell length so some places label it 18490 (cell length) and others 18500 (total length)..
 
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I've only been vaping for a little over a year, and I've only had 1 incident of a hipster snob and that was in person. That is fine with me, it really is a window to the personality of that person and do I really want to deal with it anyhow? No. Everyone on this forum is pretty helpful and has helped me a lot over the last year. Now I'm pretty settled in to my mods, juices, etc and kind of keep to myself. I like to help new people avoid some of the senseless expense and potholes I've hit along the way tho.
 

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I make good money and can afford top end gear (of which I have acquired way too much), I am also a serial hobbyist and tend to go "full ......" with my hobbies as I have with vaping. I have experienced the same thing in a few B&M's and its actually pretty funny to me as someone who knows their vaping gear that over half of the vape "snobs" and "hipsters" I have run into have no idea what they are talking about. I had a young lady try to lecture me about about mods using her clone mech and clone RDA while I was standing there with a genuine copper Stingray with a genuine Helios on top of it. What I do when I meet these kind is just smile and walk away, if its a business I don't go back. I have several coworkers that vape using various types of gear from the cheapest to the priciest and I honestly don't care what they use, what I do care about is that we all quit smoking and haven't looked back. So, not everybody that goes "full ......" on vape stuff is a snob, but I do agree they are out there. Personally to combat this perception alot of people new to vaping might have because they have run across vape snobs I teach classes at my local juice shop where I teach people how to wrap coils and do wicks on whatever device they may use, and give them a chance to use my gear if they are interested in mechs and rebuildables so they can try before they buy.
My thoughts on "top end gear" are simply....engravings and cosmetics do not make them perform better or last longer...hence something like (otto carter) to me is dumb... build quality, warranty, and american made mean way more to me...something that will withstand the vapepocalypse (if it ever comes) and I'll only ever have to buy 1 of once....
Seems that I see a trend in what I consider being distracted by the shiny..and mostly needless bells and whistles...

Makes me feel like an old codger standing on my porch screaming for kids to get off my lawn sometimes..."back in my day there was no such thing as vv/vw...you did that by switching around atomizers and doing the math...."....lol

I really don't care about the name brand...or the naval brass (that no one seems to keep shined properly anyway) (or that nic juice reacts with)...or that it has an engraving of an angel or a ship...if the maker isn't willing to stand behind their product with a good warranty then they aren't as high end as they'd like to believe and IMHO can F off...

Again this is my opinion on the concept of high end gear and not you or anyone personally...it is my "snobbish" stance on my own gear that I use but believe that's someone else's choice to make for themselves as far as their own preferences go...
 

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I like to help new people avoid some of the senseless expense and potholes I've hit along the way tho.
First off...greetings to a fellow Ohioan...

Second off...your thought that I quoted was originally my thought as well...I've come to realize though that we can share our experiences and mistakes...but ultimately those expenses and potholes I believe need to be experienced firsthand as painful as they may be for some to truely get it...

When learning to ride a bike nothing seems to motivate a child more than the fear of falling again...we can talk til the cows come home about theory and physics and body mechanics... but I'd wager that skinned knee leaves a longer lasting impression...

Same thing here...the guy on ecf that probably knows the most about battery safety than anyone else...know why he's that way...he had a battery go into thermal runaway and almost blow up on him..so he went back to learn everything he could on batteries...

Sometimes, mistakes need to be made...
 

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Well, I sure appreciate all the tips; now I have a little more knowledge for when I do go shopping for a mech.

Katya, it's not that I want to do that "sub ohm" thing, far from it; they do call it a "law" for a reason. :) I just think I'd feel more secure in my new hobby/vice/addiction if I had something that might actually be repairable, rather than something I have to toss out completely. That tossing out of dead stuff offends my environmental sensibilities anyway; one of the best parts of quitting smoking, IMO, was no more plastic lighters that turn into useless hunks of plastic, to clutter up the place. :D I just plain like the idea of a device that uses batteries that are separate from the device itself.

I recently had to learn all that stuff about clearos, the T3S in particular, because I got such a bad taste one night that I thought for sure my coil was gunked or trashed or *something* awful; turned out it wasn't, I guess the bottom of the tankful of juice just got burned, but I couldn't have known that without disassembling the coil to look at it. So now I know what to do when it does need cleaning and dry burning. I also got that wisdom about tightening the coil everytime you refill, since the very first night I owned it; if it hadn't been for the good folks in the "older folks... front porch" thread, I'd have been freaking out more than I was already, thinking I'd broken it. And the thing about sticking a tiny roll of paper towel into the mouthpiece when you refill -- if you can wedge it tightly enough into the "neck", the narrowest part of the mouthpiece, the juice won't run out at all, saving a lot of clean-up time. :thumb:

Drozd, thanks for explaining what the numbers on the batteries mean! That is extremely helpful!! One thing I'm wondering about is battery life, for, say, the 18350 vs. the 18650. It also seems to me that one of those telescoping mods would be good, since it seems that the reason they telescrope is so they can take either size battery? Also -- I use the pass-thru for my iTaste anytime I'm at the computer, which is most of the time, so I'd really like it if I could get a charger that also offers that pass-thru feature, or is that a separate thing, for this type of charger? I don't have an electrical outlet terribly handy to me at the computer, so I use the front USB port, and that works like a charm, can keep it more or less fully charged all the time, which I understand is better for the battery than letting it run down completely or near-completely.

Freeatlast -- got a terrific internet connection, 25 megabit, but this old computer just doesn't do videos well at all; not enough video ram, so I have to make sure the regular ram is as freed up as possible, to watch videos at all. Someone told m if I got a video card it would fix that, and it probably would, but it looks to me like video cards cost nearly as much as computers, so I'll just wait till it's upgrade time for the whole system. I knew that XP Pro is more or less dead at this point, and have already informed the hubby of that fact, that next year a new machine is really necessary; he's seen me go thru crap like this before for the last 25 yrs of having a PC. I'm just trying to squeak by and get as much life out of this one as I can, because XP Pro is a GREAT operating system, maybe the best Windows since 3.1, so I'm really going to miss it when I have to go back to being a Windows beta tester. :D OTOH, I'm already salivating for one of those machines that can be either laptop or tablet. :thumb: :D

Thanks bunches, y'all; I feel a lot more informed about what to look for, when I go shopping for mechs and all their paraphernalia. :thumb:

Andria
 
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