Exploding mods

[~Jo~]

Good point Lisa...I feel everyone should have the info, know the risks, and know what to do in that situation....but I think there is a LINE.....Some things you cant prevent...specially someone just being very careless...

This is my position as well. INFORMED consent. I believe we all need to take responsibility for our own actions. I would like vendors and/or manufacturers to take responsibility for the items that they're selling by posting safety information. Yes, people need to research for themselves. *However*, many of us have never used any battery more dangerous than lithium AA batts in our digital cameras, so in the beginning, we aren't even aware that there could be a danger. One needs to be aware that there could be a danger before one feels compelled to go start researching.

However, no vendor, and certainly not ECF, can prevent people from making a mistake, from being careless, or from being an out and out certifiable idiot. And some people simply believe the perceived benefits of a less safe option are worth the risk. *shrug* Their choice. Personally, I prefer to err on the side of paranoia. But unless I've been lied to, the responsibility for my decisions is solely on ME. And I won't have anyone treat me like a child by claiming otherwise.

(BTW, T, your pic in profile bears a striking resemblance to my oldest nephew, who in turn looks much like my little brother at that age. It's silly, but I find that I have an aunt-like fondness for you based on your pic. )

 

[imeothanasis]

I really disagree to most that PS said. I will try to make my long post soon. But the best one was that venting holes will burn your face and hands

Is it better to have big pieces of metal inside your head by a big explotion? You hold a hand grenade near your face with its safety ring off8-o

Sorry but this was the most stupid thing I have ever listen in my life.


ps.........If you have respect for this man Boom I will tell you that he said on another forum that he wants to copy GG. Its because he knows that I know what I am doing here.

Another serious disagreement I have is that one battery is not the same as 2 in series. If a battery is more charged that the other then they can go in fault contition with unknown results.


As for ECF and its desision: ECF is not a simple family site. ECF is the biggest site for e-cigs and its getting bigger. Smokejoe will have troubles if something happens to a member here because lawyers will ask for responsibilities from everyone. They will ask e.g. why he let people making bombs here when newbies come to his forum just to learn some things about vaping and to buy some products. But lawyers knows better.

 

[imeothanasis]

ps: - Large capacity rechargeable batteries
A: False - A Batteries capacity has nothing to do with a mod exploding

But it has to do with the power of explotion so we have to have venting holes. If venting holes are useless then why batteries have its own venting holes?

ps: No availability of high-voltage (HV) atomizers at present
A: And How Would a HV atty solve a Short in the Atomizer? The #1 Reason Why Mods Explode is due to a short in the atomizer itself. Adding resistance to an atomizer won't stop the mod from blowing up.

HV atomizer that I invent will prevend a battery explotion because it will not let the battery drain quickly.

ps: - Lack of a kill switch (a second 'transport' switch that allows the battery pack to be disconnected for travel and storage)
A: Its Called = Taking off the atomizer. Thus - Circuit is NO LONGER COMPLETE.

Who takes off an atomizer? Who wants to do that? Who wants to take off an atomizer that has liquid inside and to put it where? On pocket? Cant we nake our life easier?

ps: intrinsically unsafe mod, combined with unsafe batteries, is a risk that should be avoided.
A: Roly - We all live in a world of unknowns ... The Vapor we inhale and exhale is still largely unknown, yet we don't avoid it - we run to it.

So we have to surcharge the existing issues with more dangerous ones??????

I answer already to the 2 more features that ps thinks that they are useless on cigs

 

[boomboom]

"ps.........If you have respect for this man Boom I will tell you that he said on another forum that he wants to copy GG. Its because he knows that I know what I am doing here."

WHAT???? What kind of independent businessman/inventor says such a thing. An unintentional "twinning", not a direct copy, of someone's idea that was developed without prior knowledge of the idea is one thing, but to intentionally say "I will copy that" is just not right. How would he feel if his 5 volt resistor contact disc switch idea was intentionally copied? ...........Oh wait, that wouldn't happen because those PS switches SUCK!!!!! Too much plastic and imperfect machining processes!

 

[Col. Gaunt]

I believe that it is up to the person who buys a mod to be responsible for knowing all the advantages and disadvantages of a product before they buy it.

With this battery situation, how were the mod makers supposed to know that that the battery manufacturers were putting out a dangerous product? As soon as it became public knowledge that unprotected batteries were exploding the mod manufacturers started to put in saftey features in their mods and warn people against using unprotected batteries.

What about flash lights? Some flashlights use the same batteries that e-cig users, but we have no facts and figures on flashlight explosions and the damage that has been done by them.

EXPLODING FLASHLIGHTS: Are They a Serious Threat to Worker Safety?

I know that this whole explosive battery situation is very scary, but as long as everyone is aware of the potential problems that might occur and the manufacturers do their best to make their mods as save as possible and provide literature with every mod as to the potential hazards of improper battery usage, I see no reason to ban the manufacture of mods designed to use 2 batteries.

 

[skydawgg]

if you want a mod then all that is needed is...common sense....read read read...lithium ion = DANGER....so be careful...if you are dumb, bad things will happen, that is a given, YOU will only get what YOU have set YOURSELF up for.....

i went into lithiums with no knowledge, i even read a couple posts of blowing up mods....im just not...scared lol...but in the end i caused a short and almost had 2 cr123a's explode on me....due to common sense i got them disconnected in time before one blew!(i find things like this fun lol, i know im weird, but i see it as a test for my worthiness to live)....went out bought a multi meter

(the source has a good multi-meter right now, led's on leads (very handy in low light enviroment), VOICE SPOKEN RESULTS just awesome! all for 30 dollars on sale till march 31st (extra 5 bucks get you a 3 year replacement warranty, no sending here and there, just replace!)

 

[ZERO]

if you want a mod then all that is needed is...common sense....read read read...lithium ion = DANGER....so be careful...if you are dumb, bad things will happen, that is a given, YOU will only get what YOU have set YOURSELF up for.....

+1

Unfortunately "common sense" is something that cannot be taught....

 

[MHR7331]

Hey how about using a battery that doesn't violently vent in case of a short or careless use OH yeah LIFEPO4s

 

[skydawgg]

+1

Unfortunately "common sense" is something that cannot be taught....

only if it could....only if....

but i can share some experiences that have helped me forge my relentless common sense, in dire hope that those who are lacking will pick up some hints....like when i flip on my brain

 

[skydawgg]

Hey how about using a battery that doesn't violently vent in case of a short or careless use OH yeah LIFEPO4s

seems you swear by these lifepo4's, have you ever seen one fail?

i have read a few articles stating that there is no evidence they will vent any less violently then lithiums, so i will take more capacity over an unknown

 

[AngusATAT]

Hey how about using a battery that doesn't violently vent in case of a short or careless use OH yeah LIFEPO4s

Yep, they are great batteries. I wish that they came in more sizes.

One day... when the wife releases her death grip on the finances, I may have to look into getting a GG myself. Safety is getting to be a bigger concern as time goes by.

 

[MHR7331]

seems you swear by these lifepo4's, have you ever seen one fail?

Nope, I've heard of them getting shorted and just getting really hot... but no explosion. Back in September when I got my first mod, I actually took the time to read up on the different batteries available, and opted for the ones that have a tendency not to blow your face off in thermal runaway.

I've still yet to hear a single decent argument for using unprotected li-ion CR2s as opposed to the Lifepo4s, though I certainly think a little common sense goes a long way, and they're aren't inherently hazardous batteries.

 

[clownfish159]

Where would one get a lifepo4?

 

[skydawgg]

Nope, I've heard of them getting shorted and just getting really hot... but no explosion. Back in September when I got my first mod, I actually took the time to read up on the different batteries available, and opted for the ones that have a tendency not to blow your face off in thermal runaway.

I've still yet to hear a single decent argument for using unprotected li-ion CR2s as opposed to the Lifepo4s, though I certainly think a little common sense goes a long way, and they're aren't inherently hazardous batteries.

true enough, my friend just made a good point to me, although i may not care...other people do(he does not want a rocket GG in his apartment), i guess i will get some lifepo4s when i am done with my li-ons....(at least a few to try...not liking the reduced capacity) although now i tend to check my li-ions all the time with my multi meter and i never vape them past about 3.4v (right when i see vapor drop low enough). and i guess the lifepo4's would make it a lot less "scary"(necessary to have common sense) for people entering the big mod world

 

[D133]

Has anyone tried using protected 10440 batteries in the Slim yet? (Slim, not SuperSlim)
Do they fit?
Or is there little reason to do so, seeing as only one battery is being used?

 

[vapn]

Where would one get a lifepo4?

You can get them here....

They will not fit your Grant though.

Has anyone tried using protected 10440 batteries in the Slim yet? (Slim, not SuperSlim)
Do they fit?
Or is there little reason to do so, seeing as only one battery is being used?

They will NOT fit in my Slim. Not sure if the new ones are big enough for them or not imeo will have to answer that question.

That small of a battery and not using them in pairs they will not produce vapor when they get over-discharged.

 

[D133]

Thanks very much for the information. I've had no problems with the unprotected batteries so I'll keep on using them.

 

[clownfish159]

You can get them here....

They will not fit your Grant though.



They will NOT fit in my Slim. Not sure if the new ones are big enough for them or not imeo will have to answer that question.

That small of a battery and not using them in pairs they will not produce vapor when they get over-discharged.

Dangit vapn! You keep giving me bad news! Who wants to trade their GGTS for my grant?!?!?!

Yeah right, right? lol!

 

[grimmer255]

those new high capacity batteries look pretty good Im thinking of ordering some to try out.... but the down fall is the cr123 version is only 55o mah... I like the smaller batteries for size a weight reasons.

 

[Mist_Of_Joye]

I want a mod that will protect me when the batteries will explode. And so far the GG has given me this!

And Imeo is probably the most involved person in security issues in the whole ECF, one because he cares about his own safety, being his own number one customer, two, because he cares about the safety of his own customers, because they're all his friends, and three, because Imeo is a proud man, and he is proud of his invention and proud of his reputation and he really cares about them.

I also agree about Imeo's comments on PS claims. Vents and holes, if well placed and well proportioned, do not, I repeat, do not, get you burned , but on the contrary, they divert the blast, the fire and the fumes away from you.

Finally, ECF will be making a big mistake by getting involved in approvals and safety regulations. A very big mistake.

At most, they need to put a clear disclaimer in each section, and even make all members approve it before being able to log in again, the next time, and new members signing approval of it, before completing registration. And this disclaimer should be about all e-cigs products and derivatives, not only mods.

And if they're wise enough, they'd take my advice seriously.