Banning mods...
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So with this step the ECF is willing to close the site right? After all even the 510, and the 901's have had battery problem. I just don't get it. I also don't understand why post something like that then close the thread so no one can voice there opinion. I just don't understand.
YEah Martin...i dont get the closed thread either. It looks like they would want input on this whole discussion.
ECF is not the only ecig forum out there guys. We can always say goodbye to this site and watch it go down in flames. Lots of old ECF vets saw that this site was getting ridiculous and chose to go elsewhere. Too much "big brother" going on in their opinion. I like this site, but things could change.
The only shorts i have had is with the 510/801 adapters.
Then again i can feel the SB or other device getting warm before it explodes.
Also if there's a short the atomizer does not work.
The other night i was watching the Hurt locker, and i got a short while watching the guy disarm the dynamite...so started to freak out a little while sitting on my couch.
Then again i can feel the SB or other device getting warm before it explodes.
Also if there's a short the atomizer does not work.
The other night i was watching the Hurt locker, and i got a short while watching the guy disarm the dynamite...so started to freak out a little while sitting on my couch.
I like this site too, it introduced me to e-cigs and mods. However, I too fear I would pack my bags if ECF started to arbitrarily decide what we as level headed adult individuals is in our own interests.
I fully research all of my purchases before handing over my money, I don't need ECF to decide what is in my best interests. I'm capable of doing that for myself. If it is not to my satisfaction, I ask for a refund. Simple.
All I expect from ECF is a forum for like minded individuals to discuss those personal decisions, and act on them if we choose.
I personally am not a big fan of mods (any mods), so banning the subject would not be a personal loss for me. However, I would not ban the subject, for a very simple reason (and a half).
The half first: Who decides which mods are safe enough to be discussed here? I imagine a few discussions about that. If they start, let me know in advance so I can stock up on popcorn.
My main reason why I don't think a ban is a good idea is a simpler one, though: People will do it anyway, and it would be much better if they get the information about how to do it in a place where they get appropriate warnings, too.
Currently, exactly the same game is playing out on a German forum. There, DIY of liquid is striktly a non-subject. The argument is, not just high-level nic juice (everything above 18mg/ml or so) is potentially dangerous, but so are the flavours. That is actually perfectly correct. One really should not consume those out of the bottle.
Only, the result is that a few people are deterred from DIYing – and many just start it, and let's say, people being people, some of those consider ideas like "reading the label" or "understanding what '1%' or '1-2 gramms per Kilogramm' means" to be entirely optional. Sooner or later, somebody is going to have a date with the toilet bowl, and they will be lucky if it's not a date with the emergency room.
As with DIY and flavours and nicotine, most people are not used to the possibility of exploding batteries. It's not something they experienced, ever, nor anybody around them, since it is an extremely rare possibility with everyday gear. And the news that mods, particularly high voltage ones, are possible, is out there, and you won't get that toothpaste back into the tube. So the alternative is, do people get potentially bad information, or do we give them good one, so it is at least as safe as possible, and people can make an informed decision whether to build or buy a mod, and if, which one.
I opt for the latter.
On a related note: How about a poll asking about those problems? "Did you ever have a safety problem with your mod?", "HV or 3,7?", "Switch or battery" etc.
The half first: Who decides which mods are safe enough to be discussed here? I imagine a few discussions about that. If they start, let me know in advance so I can stock up on popcorn.
My main reason why I don't think a ban is a good idea is a simpler one, though: People will do it anyway, and it would be much better if they get the information about how to do it in a place where they get appropriate warnings, too.
Currently, exactly the same game is playing out on a German forum. There, DIY of liquid is striktly a non-subject. The argument is, not just high-level nic juice (everything above 18mg/ml or so) is potentially dangerous, but so are the flavours. That is actually perfectly correct. One really should not consume those out of the bottle.
Only, the result is that a few people are deterred from DIYing – and many just start it, and let's say, people being people, some of those consider ideas like "reading the label" or "understanding what '1%' or '1-2 gramms per Kilogramm' means" to be entirely optional. Sooner or later, somebody is going to have a date with the toilet bowl, and they will be lucky if it's not a date with the emergency room.
As with DIY and flavours and nicotine, most people are not used to the possibility of exploding batteries. It's not something they experienced, ever, nor anybody around them, since it is an extremely rare possibility with everyday gear. And the news that mods, particularly high voltage ones, are possible, is out there, and you won't get that toothpaste back into the tube. So the alternative is, do people get potentially bad information, or do we give them good one, so it is at least as safe as possible, and people can make an informed decision whether to build or buy a mod, and if, which one.
I opt for the latter.
On a related note: How about a poll asking about those problems? "Did you ever have a safety problem with your mod?", "HV or 3,7?", "Switch or battery" etc.
Almost every e cig I own that was manufactured in China has gone to that big battery in the sky this past week. Two went because of faulty buttons. They got stuck and I burnt the heck out of myself trying to get the attys off of b4 they blew. Mods made in the US have very intelligent people making them. They are very well informed on the risks of electronics and every modding page always start with a warning. Please don't let the information get banned over a couple of fluke accidents.
If this has all been said in this thread, which I didn't read all b4 posting, I apologize.
If this has all been said in this thread, which I didn't read all b4 posting, I apologize.
Didn't see the other one before I found this - maybe they could merge, or at least a link in the other thread, and this one closed, or something?
I am glad this is now available. However, when this thread was opened and like I have seen many others this was not the case.
I hand a friend from work donate an E8 from the above website because eh just couldnt get it going. After charging the battery and trying to vape it to life, i noticed a real bad "burnt radio shack" taste and the body of the battery started to heat up Real Fast! Next thing I know The battery is on fire and I threw it in the sink to die. I understand the safety concern for these mods, but even a commercial product can fail when used properly.
Just my $0.02
Just my $0.02
I agree about the batteries. They are so cheap I buy a few new sets every couple of months. Even if the older sets still charge good I throw them away. I don't like to take chances with batteries.
Now I did have my old Prodigy get REALLY hot once and burn my hand, but that was a faulty switch, the batteries were brand new.
I have NEVER had a problem with my 2 SBs and my Chuck.
Even with a mod your batteries are from China. Restrictions in the U.S. make it all but impossible to manufacture reasonably priced batteries in the states.
Just a reminder that the Li-Ion batteries in our cells and bluetooth are made in China too, or at least finished in China. Take a look. You don't see a lot of places for those to vent if there's a problem. I think you'll find the same thing with iPods and MP3 players, oh wait we can't see those batteries (sort of like the stock batteries of your ecig). I'll stick with my mods. They may be glorified battery cases to some people, but I choose what/which batteries I'm using. For the record, I use the protected 18650/14500 in my SB/BB. I decided a while ago that I wouldn't try the higher vapes with batteries in series. I'm quite happy with using 3.7v 2600 mAh on my SB and 3.6v 900 mAh on my BB
Which is why I posted here to let everyone know.
Thank you. A lot of things being discussed there which are worrisome to say the least.
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