Just how much risk these present depends on their design. I'd rather use a well-vented mech mod than a regulated mod that has the potential to turn into a pipe bomb.
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I agree, but I would suggest using a drill press over a hand held portable drill. Ever try drilling on a hard curved surface?
From what I gather, thermal runaway (Roman candle reference) is a relatively rare event. If allowed to vent properly in tube mech, a venting battery will simply release hot gas if allowed to do so. The mod itself would probably become too hot to hold before the battery releases its gas. Thus no second degree burns.
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NFC :/ Lots? Near the positive end where the weak spot is? Not something I’d like to risk a lawsuit on I guess.
I always want to reply with “”I’ll show you offensive”. But no one ever wants to watch me vent hot gassesA mod can change it. Best mod to ask is classwife. You can probably just pm her or tag her in a thread. Don't know her hours(if she even has any) or when she will be online, but she is a sweetheart.
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Also we forget to mention about battery CDR, which is Constant Discharge Rate which is the maximum amount of amps that a battery can supply constantly.
Never use amps equal to the CDR of a battery, and never ever exceeded the CDR of a battery. Unless you want very bad things to happen.
mooch has lots of good information for battery safety, worth reading if you're unsure about battery choices.
Never use amps equal to the CDR of a battery, and never ever exceeded the CDR of a battery. Unless you want very bad things to happen.
mooch has lots of good information for battery safety, worth reading if you're unsure about battery choices.
Sort of. Most of the replies so far have focused on mech mods, so I thought a word on how to minimize risk with a regulated mod might not go amiss.
- Many of the batteries available to vapers are rewraps, cheaply manufactured junk, or cheaply manufactured junk masquerading as something better (counterfeits). The key to battery safety on a regulated mod is to use a battery who's CDR (continuous discharge rating) is suitable for the power you vape at. Rewraps, counterfeits and other junk lie about their CDR, so the average vaper has no way of finding out what it really is. Solution: Only use batteries made by one of the big manufacturers (LG, Samsung, Sony/Murata, Panasonic); and, to avoid counterfeits, only buy them from a supplier that someone knowledgeable about the battery industry has recommended. Mooch, our resident battery guru, has a chart of recommended batteries that includes a list of reliable vendors: Mooch's Chart.
- Have any of the stories you read mentioned someone's pocket exploding or their pants catching on fire? Easy enough to do if you carry a loose battery in your pocket (alongside keys, change, and other stray bits of metal). Solution: Batteries should always be in your mod, in your charger or in a proper battery box or case. Never let them lie around loose.
- I said that the battery's CDR had to be suitable for the wattage you vape at. This blog not only provides a list of popular (and reliable) batteries and their wattage limits, but also a lot more worthwhile information for someone who's interested in battery safety.
Just to toss this out there, but if you are in the market for a regulated mod with an internal, non-user replaceable battery, UL now has standards regarding safe circuitry and whatnot a manufacturer can meet to obtain certification. It's brand new, and no idea if it will translate into real life improvements in safety, but it's better than nothing.
Otherwise I use name brand only batteries from reliable vendors, keep my power demands within the known CDR to avoid pushing my luck, and charge them in an external dedicated charger on a nonflammable surface (I have some tile floors which are perfect for that and nothing else within 12 inches or so it while charging, other than my toes, but I do have 10 of those so no biggie).
The only mechs I use are box squonk mechs with big holes that will vent lots of gas and doors that will pop off anyway. My tube mechs are my backup plan for the vapocalypse, and I even have kicks I can use in them for extra protectio.
After all that I give up. I've done everything a reasonable person would when using Li batteries in a safe manner. As I'm not giving up my phone, laptop, or tablet, and use ordinary sensible precautions with them, I've taken it as far as it can be. If there's a 1 in a ten million chance things still go sideways, that's life. We don't live in a zero risk world.
Otherwise I use name brand only batteries from reliable vendors, keep my power demands within the known CDR to avoid pushing my luck, and charge them in an external dedicated charger on a nonflammable surface (I have some tile floors which are perfect for that and nothing else within 12 inches or so it while charging, other than my toes, but I do have 10 of those so no biggie).
The only mechs I use are box squonk mechs with big holes that will vent lots of gas and doors that will pop off anyway. My tube mechs are my backup plan for the vapocalypse, and I even have kicks I can use in them for extra protectio.
After all that I give up. I've done everything a reasonable person would when using Li batteries in a safe manner. As I'm not giving up my phone, laptop, or tablet, and use ordinary sensible precautions with them, I've taken it as far as it can be. If there's a 1 in a ten million chance things still go sideways, that's life. We don't live in a zero risk world.
I heard somewhere that there are companies already making UL certified mods but due to an FDA regulation hiccup they’re not allowed to be sold in the US. Iirc the manufacturers were totally .......
Innokin got the first such approval on the Kroma A. Those are still for sale, right???
That is seriously messed up. No wonder no one wants to spend the money on a PMTA. You could do every freaking thing they ask including dancing upside down on your head holding a dachshund and they'd still say no. So much for safety first. Good thing they're not the FAA or we still wouldn't be flying because those contraptions could fall from the sky at any minute.
Yeah, I am somewhat of a newbie myself. Not sure what the hell you guys are talking about. I do deal with flashlights a lot and know that some cells are more prone to explode (unprotected cells). I am hoping that my Innokin Endura T-18 is ok? The battery on that is completely sealed. However, it does state that the battery has thermal and overload protection.
Innokin makes very good products and is a safety conscious manufacturer. Use it as directed, don't drown it in the tub, and charge it only when you're with it (like at home) and awake (not overnight while asleep). Keep it on a nonflammable surface while charging, not your rug. Do that and you'll be fine.
As for all the rest you were forced to plow through, just understand most of us have a safety fetish over this stuff and tend to write way too much.
Protected cells are great for low drain applications like a flashlight. However, they don't work all that well in high drain vape devices. They don't have enough amperage or battery current to power our devices, so we use unprotected "safer chemistry" batteries.
Regulated mods have built-in protection circuitry. The mechanical mods we've been discussing here do not.
2 points:
1: your device doesn’t have anything like the batteries we are talking about I suspect. I haven’t taken one apart, but sealed battery mods generally have LiPo batteries because they can be made in any shape and are cheaper. They also NEED various protections to be safe, and you apparently have those.
To get an exploding mod you need a particular kind of very old fashioned and fairly rare device combined with a new fangled replacement battery it was never designed to use.
Neither of these applies to your mod.
I feel there are a couple of things that dont get mentioned enough.
"Hybrid" Mechs. Seriously, whenever a mod blows up, more often then not its one of those.
Check for shorts before you fire. Dont just check resistance on an open deck, put the top cap on and be done with it. Check the resistance with top cap on.
These are important because they are totally independent of your build. A 2 Ohm build doesnt matter if you build a short via top cap or hard short your battery with your 510 connection.
Also, dont carry around loose batteries; put them in a plastic box.
If people would be aware of all this, we'd have at least 70% less battery accidents.
"Hybrid" Mechs. Seriously, whenever a mod blows up, more often then not its one of those.
Check for shorts before you fire. Dont just check resistance on an open deck, put the top cap on and be done with it. Check the resistance with top cap on.
These are important because they are totally independent of your build. A 2 Ohm build doesnt matter if you build a short via top cap or hard short your battery with your 510 connection.
Also, dont carry around loose batteries; put them in a plastic box.
If people would be aware of all this, we'd have at least 70% less battery accidents.
Or pot them in clear epoxy resin and use them as unique vaping paperweights. With the right mold, you could add a 510 connector and turn them into atty work stands.
Or possibly even pour ER into the body of the mod itself, that way you could utilise the 510.
I'm not a newbie even by far, but nevertheless I'm not sure what the hell most of these guys are talking about either. What's more, it keeps happening all the time. Mooch recently did a video in which he explained the fact regulated mods don't offer more than only just a little bit of safety protection (see below). All the ranting that goes on in here about mech mods is solid evidence of the fact too many people are hiding their own lack of knowledge about battery safety by systemically blaming mech mods when the reality is that battery safety knowledge is still paramount regardless of whether the mod you use is a regulated mod, a harsh reality that they simply overlook when they use the dangers inherent of mech mods for their own deplorable scapegoat tactics over and over and over.
Ah, these guys are just trying to be super safe
But honestly there have been a lot of fault induced regulated mod melt downs...i've read about some on this forum (I think..maybe Reddit)..
For me I still like my shiny tubes. There's something special about the work that goes in to them...they're pretty
And on a fresh battery it's a great vape with the right resistance!No reason to be afraid with the correct precautions
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