Facts regarding the FDA Press Release - 7/22 (repost)
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Here's my take.....
First vendors must ABSOLUTELY promote these as harm reduction NOT smoking cessation since that is what I understand most of us use them for.
Our argument should be that the FDA has not made ANY valid points as far as the ecig being more harmful when compared to combustable tobacco or any other form of tobacco. If you use the PV and are able to stop.. KUDOS. However, most ecig users are using these devices as a HEALTHIER alternative. Unless and until they can prove that they are more harmful than analogs, they should be treated the same as analogs IMHO, with the exception that there is no second hand pollution.
First vendors must ABSOLUTELY promote these as harm reduction NOT smoking cessation since that is what I understand most of us use them for.
Our argument should be that the FDA has not made ANY valid points as far as the ecig being more harmful when compared to combustable tobacco or any other form of tobacco. If you use the PV and are able to stop.. KUDOS. However, most ecig users are using these devices as a HEALTHIER alternative. Unless and until they can prove that they are more harmful than analogs, they should be treated the same as analogs IMHO, with the exception that there is no second hand pollution.
Actually, signing a check box and entering your date of birth on line, from my understanding, is equivalent to you handing an ID to a counter clerk for a pack of cigs. Same as now, you can legally enter an agreement with your online signature being an email of confirmation that you are agreeing to the terms and conditions of an agreement. Clicking on a terms and conditions also produces the same legal basis for court if you were to ever do anything and they came after you.
I just signed another Parent PLUS loan for my daughter's tuition online. God help us when that comes due. LOL I did not have to do a paper signature.
Thx... meeting is tonight for the Vapers Club Sar! Trying to get the news there... You coming???
nope.. that is a new extrantion method study I think. Will read it more later.. may be useful! Thanks Sherid!
Good to know! Pm me if you have gov't site that confirms above... would like to save that for future use (not now.. when u have more time... we are all busy right now lol!)
Old news, but if anyone wants to they should search for the SCHIP funding problems---a report in late 2007 described the program, funded by tobacco taxes, as needing 22 million more smokers to be fully funded.
Hey Lone - It's not mine to release but as soon as I get a copy of it and an aok to release... I will definitely post it. Totally up to Jack though
I don't see how since you are indirectly mentioning it to begin with...then solidifying with the references.
Either way...hat's off to you for stepping up to the plate on this.
In part, I agree, as someone can sue a ham sandwich but it doesn't mean they will win. LOL Don't get be wrong, I am not about instigating anyone having to depend themselves against such things.
Perhaps the other part of my comment was not clear, as it merged consumers and the makers of the other products into one group.
I don't think the makers of the group will get mad at us... I think they will be ticked at that FDA for unintentionally bringing their product under equal scrutiny... and they DO have the power to silence the FDA. If there is proof that their products contains some of the same ingredients that the FDA is dinging us for, then surely it would be in their best interest to silence the issue. After all, as you said, and I agree... they share the same bed.
To expound a bit further... SPikey stated she was going for sensationalism... Well, in my opinion, BIG names get noticed. That is what I so lamely tried to get across in a one sentence comment.
Hey Lone - It's not mine to release but as soon as I get a copy of it and an aok to release... I will definitely post it. Totally up to Jack though
I do hope he agrees! Thanks for all your efforts!
Lacey,Found and read Njoy response to fda.Now can't find.I don't see how since you are indirectly mentioning it to begin with...then solidifying with the references.
Either way...hat's off to you for stepping up to the plate on this.
In part, I agree, as someone can sue a ham sandwich but it doesn't mean they will win. LOL Don't get be wrong, I am not about instigating anyone having to depend themselves against such things.
Perhaps the other part of my comment was not clear, as it merged consumers and the makers of the other products into one group.
I don't think the makers of the group will get mad at us... I think they will be ticked at that FDA for unintentionally bringing their product under equal scrutiny... and they DO have the power to silence the FDA. If there is proof that their products contains some of the same ingredients that the FDA is dinging us for, then surely it would be in their best interest to silence the issue. After all, as you said, and I agree... they share the same bed.
To expound a bit further... SPikey stated she was going for sensationalism... Well, in my opinion, BIG names get noticed. That is what I so lamely tried to get across in a one sentence comment.
I do hope he agrees! Thanks for all your efforts!
ON BEHALF OF NJOY, CEO Jack Leadbeater
July 23, 2009
NJOY RESPONSE TO FDA CONFERENCE CALL
NJOYs products have been on the market since at least April 2007 with no reports of significant
adverse health consequences. We do not market our products to children, and indeed take
affirmative steps to ensure that our products are not sold to minors by requiring retailers to agree
to where the product is placed and request verification of appropriate age as it pertains to each
state law.
NJOY has been tested by an independent third-party laboratory, Exponent. This testing, as well
as our consultation with medical experts, gives us confidence that our products are appropriate
alternatives for traditional cigarettes for the committed smoker. We are therefore surprised the
FDA's testing has resulted in the Agency suggesting that our products represent a health risk on
par with conventional cigarettes. We will provide more information on NJOY's testing and the
results in the next few days.
The FDA's report admits its conclusions don't apply to all products.
- Broad statements were made on the call that Diethylene glycol (DEG) was detected in
the test samples, but the specific report shows that DEG was not found in NJOY's
products.
- The results touted by FDA related to antifreeze are inapplicable to NJOYs products (per
the FDA report) .
- FDAs report simply shows that the products contain certain tobacco-specific impurities
(at much lower levels than conventional cigarettes, and this is something we are having
our experts compare in the reports conduct by NJOY and the FDA).
We find it interesting the FDAs report is dated May fourth and is only now being released. The
FDA has not asked us to relabel our product, or to remove it from product shelves, at any point in
the two years we have been in the market.
We remain willing to work with FDA to address the Agencys concerns.
Contact: Amy Linert (480) 529‐8326 or at amy.linert@mcmurry.com
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Spikey, I really wanted to, especially since now this is almost a fight for survival for many of us. But I had to work late and just made it home little bit past midnight. But I'll watch out for the next one!!!
Well, politicians are great businessmen. Let's put a program together that will help children by collecting taxes from a problem we are trying to eliminate.
They never heard of "win-win"...it must have translated to "lose-lose" to them.
When all smokers die, do the children die too? Poor kids...
It's doing what it was intended to do, my brother in law came over and said you gotta quit using that thing you are smoking cancer causing stuff and antifreeze, as he was puffing on his cig. Had to explain that I read the report and all. Its gonna be a pain in the .... to have the "talk" with the entire family again.
It is very common tactic the FDA call was so vague cause they new reporters would spin this story every which way possible as long as they mentioned nothing good about E-cigs the FDA had nothing to lose -- living in a day where innovation is frowned upon due to greed.
Ask the oil companies all about it they have kept us in fossil fuels way longer than was ever needed. The government helped with that too.
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