Failed my first attempt w/ E-cigs... looking for advice

[zoiDman]

Yes, I have and it doesn't replicate good throat hit. Plus, that option would mean the OP would be limited to ONE eliquid which would not solve the over all problem. There are only about a 1000+ posts that validate the better throat hit produced with better battery PV's in comparison to small, 180 mAh PV's. It's pretty straight forward.

I would just hate to see the OP go out and spend a bunch of money on a new piece for hardware only to find that it was the e-Liquid that was the problem.

But if they are going to buy a new PV, I stand by what I say. Get a Provari. Buying a fixed 5v PV is going to Extremely limit the OP.

Where as I can use any atty/carto/juice combination by adjusting the voltage.

 

[Thank You]

get the ego batt's with some LR atty's.. w/ 24+mg

and u'll be smiling in no time.

 

[unsure]

I would just hate to see the OP go out and spend a bunch of money on a new piece for hardware only to find that it was the e-Liquid that was the problem.

But if they are going to buy a new PV, I stand by what I say. Get a Provari. Buying a fixed 5v PV is going to Extremely limit the OP.

Where as I can use any atty/carto/juice combination by adjusting the voltage.

Many mods can vary voltage with different battery configurations and there are many mods that are VV as well. So the choice is not limited to any one.

 

[wv2win]

I would just hate to see the OP go out and spend a bunch of money on a new piece for hardware only to find that it was the e-Liquid that was the problem.

But if they are going to buy a new PV, I stand by what I say. Get a Provari. Buying a fixed 5v PV is going to Extremely limit the OP.

Where as I can use any atty/carto/juice combination by adjusting the voltage.

The only way throat hit is improved via eliquid is by increasing the nicotine strength. I use a variable volt PV myself and have a 5 volt as a back up. Either option will solve the OP's problem plus give him the flexibility to use any liquid.

 

[zoiDman]

The only way throat hit is improved via eliquid is by increasing the nicotine strength. I use a variable volt PV myself and have a 5 volt as a back up. Either option will solve the OP's problem plus give him the flexibility to use any liquid.

For me. I can increase TH by increasing the % of PG in an e-Liquid. But that is just me.

I think we should hear what the OP has to say about all this.

 

[kot1rc5]

The best comb I have used yet is a REOGrand with a dual coil cartomizer. Huge amounts of vapor, and to keep it topped off you just give it a few blind skwonks and you have a full carto again.
I guess the dual coil carto would work almost as good with any big battery mod.

 

[Wolf]

I haven't read all the replies (yet), but I would suggest an eGo or a mod(true 3.7v) that uses a 3.7v battery. Something that is in the 1100 mAh range or higher. I haven't used an eGo but read nothing but good things about them. The NOEGO looks like something that I would use if I was to go that route. My signature will show you what I use.

 

[wv2win]

For me. I can increase TH by increasing the % of PG in an e-Liquid. But that is just me.

I think we should hear what the OP has to say about all this.

I agree that PG provides better TH than VG but it only accounts for about 2-3% out of 100% of what makes up good throat hit. And if that is all the OP is looking for, that would be the easy solution.

 

[DC2]

I agree that PG provides better TH than VG but it only accounts for about 2-3% out of 100% of what makes up good throat hit.

While I have agreed with you for the most part on this thread, I think your percentages are VERY wrong here.
I think that PG/VG ratio can change throat hit by at least 30% if not more.

In fact, I'd be willing to go as high as 50% in most cases.

 

[zoiDman]

I agree that PG provides better TH than VG but it only accounts for about 2-3% out of 100% of what makes up good throat hit. And if that is all the OP is looking for, that would be the easy solution.

I'm not sure where these numbers come from either? I read, like I'm sure you have to, hundreds of posts by people who want more TH. Most people find it by trying e-Liquid with a high PG %. Not all but most.

The long and the short of it is the OP says he wants a "Strong" hit. Until he/she comes back and lets people know Exactly what he/she wants, were all just guessing what's best for the OP.

 

[wv2win]

While I have agreed with you for the most part on this thread, I think your percentages are VERY wrong here.
I think that PG/VG ratio can change throat hit by at least 30% if not more.

In fact, I'd be willing to go as high as 50% in most cases.

I'm not sure where these numbers come from either? I read, like I'm sure you have to, hundreds of posts by people who want more TH. Most people find it by trying e-Liquid with a high PG %. Not all but most.

The long and the short of it is the OP says he wants a "Strong" hit. Until he/she comes back and lets people know Exactly what he/she wants, were all just guessing what's best for the OP.

I go by three things: my own experience (vaping on 15 different PV's), what I have read here over more than two years as well as other vaping sites and people I have talked to at the different vape meets I attend. And just about everyone agrees that warmer vapor and nic strength are the two main contibutors to good throat hit.

If just adding PG or PGA gave a 50% boost in TH, then everyone would be vaping on 3.2v to 3.7 volt devices and no other devices would be needed or made, including LR attys or dual coil attys/cartos. But that's just not the case and people's behavior supports that liquid additives, etc are not that big a factor. I vape both 100% PG and 100% VG and on my Darwin or 5 volt PV I get basically the same throat hit as long as the nic level is the same. On a 3.7v device I see a small improvement with PG.

 

[zoiDman]

I think that we all can agree that what works for one person doesn't always work for another. For me, 70% PG : 30 VG gives a huge TH on an eGo versus 30% PG : 70% VG e-Liquid at the same nicotine mg.

But like I said, that just for me.

 

[DC2]

I go by three things: my own experience (vaping on 15 different PV's), what I have read here over more than two years as well as other vaping sites and people I have talked to at the different vape meets I attend. And just about everyone agrees that warmer vapor and nic strength are the two main contibutors to good throat hit.

Using my 3.7 volt Chuck I get great throat hit with many 80/20 juices.
Using those same juices at 50/50 gives me much less throat hit.

Any time I've tried any 100% VG juices at vape meets I get no throat hit at all.
For me, this isn't something that is even in question.

And from what I read all over this forum (two years for me too) the same goes for most people.
You must be talking to different people than I am.

 

[shutokou]

The main things I've learned from vaping is:

#1: What you like soon after you quit smoking might very well change as the months go by.

#2: Always, always, always have back ups. Murphy's law has always been in effect and when you need it most, it WILL fail.

#3: 24mg juice or lower simply might not be enough, I had to go up to 30mg before I felt satisfied and work my way down. Also, more VG = more vapor but less taste, IMO.

#4: Variable volt mods have changed my vaping habits from the day I discovered them, and I refuse to use anything else since. Give a cheap one a try, it might be what you're looking for, but it might not.

#5: Start up costs on vaping were very high for me, as trying to find what I liked and what I didn't was very expensive. In the long run it's still cheaper than smoking, and you can't really put a price on feeling healthier, can you?

 

[wv2win]

I'll repeat: if just adding more PG to your liquid was all that is needed to get great throat hit, then why doesn't everyone just use 3.7 volt PV's and standard attys/cartos???

The answer is evident: it's a small percentage of the throat hit equation.

 

[zoiDman]

I'll repeat: if just adding more PG to your liquid was all that is needed to get great throat hit, then why doesn't everyone just use 3.7 volt PV's and standard attys/cartos???

The answer is evident: it's a small percentage of the throat hit equation.

I think they answer is because everyone is different.

For me, 70% PG at 3.7v is Way too much TH. But for others it might not be enough. One size just doesn't fit all when it comes to voltage and e-Liquid.

No one knows what the OP needs. Heck, the OP might not know what he/she needs. I just like to try the most inexpensive fixes to a problem first. And to me, that would be the e-Liquid.

It might be that the OP is currently vaping 100% PG. So then all the PG post are meaningless. Just have to wait and see what the OP says he/she is using and what Exactly they want.

 

[DC2]

I'll repeat: if just adding more PG to your liquid was all that is needed to get great throat hit, then why doesn't everyone just use 3.7 volt PV's and standard attys/cartos???

The answer is evident: it's a small percentage of the throat hit equation.

The answer is that the higher the PG percentage, the less the vapor production.
That is not always an acceptable tradeoff for some people.

Besides, now you're talking about getting great throat hit.

Yeah, if you want great throat hit then focusing on PG/VG percentage alone probably won't be enough.
But we're not taking about great throat hit, we are just talking about getting more throat hit.

 

[wv2win]

The answer is that the higher the PG percentage, the less the vapor production.
That is not always an acceptable tradeoff for some people.

Besides, now you're talking about getting great throat hit.

Yeah, if you want great throat hit then focusing on PG/VG percentage alone probably won't be enough.
But we're not taking about great throat hit, we are just talking about getting more throat hit.

Based on this post, I believe we are closer in agreement (but not about the 50%). I agree that PG provides more throat hit than VG, just not to a significant degree. But maybe the OP only needs a small adjustment in throat hit. But then if that was the case, would he even bother to make the initial post? Maybe, maybe not.

I've noticed a significant trend when someone states they want more throat hit: in every case they are vaping on a 3.7 volt device. You never see someone with a 5 volt or variable volt PV complaining about needing more throat hit. Why is that and what does that tell us?? I still remember some of my statistics principles from back in the college days and the statistics seem to scream out: more power = good throat hit; weak power = weaker throat hit. The tried and true solution usually is the best solution.

 

[DC2]

more power = good throat hit; weak power = weaker throat hit

I don't disagree with that.
I even suggested more power earlier in the thread.

But I definitely think that your 3-4% factor is way too low.

 

[wv2win]

I don't disagree with that.
I even suggested more power earlier in the thread.

But I definitely think that your 3-4% factor is way too low.

OK, I'LL COMPROMISE! maybe 7% - max.