And that's exactly what I've done. None of my clones have marking, logo's, or fake serial #'s on them.
Fakes/clones pro's/con's
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And that's exactly what I've done. None of my clones have marking, logo's, or fake serial #'s on them.
OMG REALLY????
How convenient for splitting hairs with the obligatory "to me it means blah blah blah" and not being concerned with how the person you are communicating with could take the direct command in the aforementioned statement.
Again I ask who are you to tell anyone what they should or should not spend their own money on.
Not gonna do it- not going to dignify that with a response.
It's clear you have not read the entire thread
It's clear you cannot possibly discern any point that was trying to be made.
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I love my clone KLF+ V2. Not a fan of my Red Copper LE Stingray clone though. Not because it's inferior, just because I discovered I really don't care for mech mods. Glad I only spent $30.00 on it.
I'm just gonna stick with my Provari.
I'm just gonna stick with my Provari.
Amen.... But watch what you say..:
I cannot believe you spent that much on a mod you should have spent 300 dollars on a legit mech
It is my understanding that we aren't here to "dictate" anything to anyone - other than maybe/probably battery safety and ohms law.
The rest is just experience and opinion. And you know what they say about opinions......
The rest is just experience and opinion. And you know what they say about opinions......
Nah. I can't wrap my head around spending that much for a fancy tube of metal(mechs). Don't get me wrong though I think they look great! They're just not for me. I just never felt safe with it. Sure I could get a kick and/or a safety fuse, but then it would be a VV device.
The problem I have with "originals" is the prices they are charging are as though they are only making one mod. They are charging inflated material cost- they are charging design fees, machine tooling and set up, machine programming, etc... as though the are only producing ONE mod.
After the first mod the CNC machines, the lathes, and the mills are already tooled and programmed for the next one.
I've been doing this "type" of work for 25 years and I know it's cheaper to buy in bulk and produce product in bulk. They aren't passing that saving on to the consumer.
Just my opinion and it means little, I'm sure, but - it is what it is.
After the first mod the CNC machines, the lathes, and the mills are already tooled and programmed for the next one.
I've been doing this "type" of work for 25 years and I know it's cheaper to buy in bulk and produce product in bulk. They aren't passing that saving on to the consumer.
Just my opinion and it means little, I'm sure, but - it is what it is.
Rossum, I admire what you are trying to do.
I, too, think that copying a logo is wrong. Just make the clone without the logo - it does nothing to the performance, and if all people want is original performance without original cost, they should be happy then
There is no use talking about it with some people, however.
Equilibrium, I must in part agree with you, for there are many authentics that are NOT worth the money - and many of them are the most popular mods at the moment. Any authentic mod made from extruded stock is a ripoff.
After all, how can Poldiac, Super-T (David has many mods well under $200 except the ELA. The Precise Plus line is the best built mod I have ever seen hands down, and by far), and Atimizoo all sell for less than $200...the list goes on, yet somehow these new to the market modders are worth $250? I think not.
If the above companies can produce the extremely well made mods for less than $200, then the new pieces of crap that have come out in the last few years should be around $90 - $120 (King and AR are good examples)
Don't get me started on the Nemesis....piece of crap stamped metal with a switch that walks. The only thing that I liked about them is that I made money on my Kalafan and 1st edition Naval Brass.
If you want to see an original that you will feel like you got what you paid for, buy a Super T. The Plus line especially.
I, too, think that copying a logo is wrong. Just make the clone without the logo - it does nothing to the performance, and if all people want is original performance without original cost, they should be happy then
There is no use talking about it with some people, however.
Equilibrium, I must in part agree with you, for there are many authentics that are NOT worth the money - and many of them are the most popular mods at the moment. Any authentic mod made from extruded stock is a ripoff.
After all, how can Poldiac, Super-T (David has many mods well under $200 except the ELA. The Precise Plus line is the best built mod I have ever seen hands down, and by far), and Atimizoo all sell for less than $200...the list goes on, yet somehow these new to the market modders are worth $250? I think not.
If the above companies can produce the extremely well made mods for less than $200, then the new pieces of crap that have come out in the last few years should be around $90 - $120 (King and AR are good examples)
Don't get me started on the Nemesis....piece of crap stamped metal with a switch that walks. The only thing that I liked about them is that I made money on my Kalafan and 1st edition Naval Brass.
If you want to see an original that you will feel like you got what you paid for, buy a Super T. The Plus line especially.
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I'm an architect and furniture designer but I don't charge for my design, just for the goods that I produce and sell I do not inflate the prices even if almost everything that I do is just a 1 off and not a long run or batch. If because of ineficiency in my manufacturing my costs rise most people won't buy or go to buy Chinese factory furniture that is cheaper. I do compete with those every day, my prices are on par or a bit lower most of the time...
the modders are either charging a lot or are running a way inefficient and costly process that doesn't justify its price (for me). I don't want to pay much more for their greed or their inefficiency.
if your $200 mod is being sold for $24 what does this mean? someone is doing it much much better than you, so adapt or perish
and I get the whole design, craftsmanship and art, (remember I do that for a living also) but this is just the romantic side of the profession, you need to COMPETE in a fierce global economy where processes and efficiency are key
this is what I do
the modders are either charging a lot or are running a way inefficient and costly process that doesn't justify its price (for me). I don't want to pay much more for their greed or their inefficiency.
if your $200 mod is being sold for $24 what does this mean? someone is doing it much much better than you, so adapt or perish
and I get the whole design, craftsmanship and art, (remember I do that for a living also) but this is just the romantic side of the profession, you need to COMPETE in a fierce global economy where processes and efficiency are key
this is what I do
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I'm not opposed to paying the money for "originals", in fact I own several, they just aren't mechanical mods. I'm a semi-pro pool player and I will and I have spent obscene amounts of money for a hand made and signed 1 of 1 pool cue. There is only one of that particular cue in existence and the craftsmanship and performance are superb so I don't mind dropping a few grand on one. Things like that appreciate in value and I will always be able to get my money back out of it, if I choose.
I'm an architect and furniture designer but I don't charge for my design, just for the goods that I produce and sell I do not inflate the prices even if almost everything that I do is just a 1 off and not a long run or batch. If because of ineficiency in my manufacturing my costs rise most people won't buy or go to buy Chinese factory furniture that is cheaper. I do compete with those every day, my prices are on par or a bit lower most of the time...
the modders are either charging a lot or are running a way inefficient and costly process that doesn't justify its price (for me). I don't want to pay much more for their greed or their inefficiency.
if your $200 mod is being sold for $24 what does this mean? someone is doing it much much better than you, so adapt or perish
and I get the whole design, craftsmanship and art, (remember I do that for a living also) but this is just the romantic side of the profession, you need to COMPETE in a fierce global economy where processes and efficiency are key
this is what I do
I love it! Do you have a website?
this is what I do
The white fabric will never do, I want mine in black or brown leather.
Yeah, after asking for your website my wallet coughed at me! If my wife sees your stuff we'll have some new furniture I'm afraid. 
As someone whom is currently making a few custom mods for friends and such, I believe mimicry is the finest form of flattery. The mass produced clones will never reach my level of fit and finish. They do however offer an inferior image of what my product can do. This usually lead a person to understand you get what you pay for. I would only ask clone makers to use their own logo.
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I agree completely! No need it ripping of their name and logo or putting a serial # on them.
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