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Thanks slip. Havin' more fun with this than ever with this month being my 3rd anniv. Hands are slowin' down tho. Not doin' the several builds a day and takin' a few days off more often than not. Which makes it all the more enjoyable. But I'm on a building spree for a few finally getting around to lookin at RxD's 4mm. Think Jeremy might've jumped the gun pullin' it as big coils and builds are here to stay. I'm sure you might agree. Some could have a blast with it.

Lot of happy vapers over in UK today, methinks.

You take care and good luck. :)

p.s. Stuff wicks amazing vertically too. Downright juicy. But you know...

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Mac and Slippy, you think Rayon and Nextel (I've never even heard of this wick unless you're talking cell phones lol), would wick better than KGD?

Yes I've built a higher res built just to lower the watts and improve flavor. I also completely agree with you guys about the Scottish wick and how having too much in the coil will restrict the juice flow. I've gotten into a habit of pulling it back and forth as I wick it, I also don't constrain the ends of the wick, just kind of slowly guide them into the juice holes.

As for the height of my coil.... it's actually sitting perfectly aligned with the airflow holes, both front and back, and even though the legs are at the top part of the posts I dropped it down really low to the deck for the sole reason of minimizing the juice travel. See previous pages folks.

So, rayon and nextel? Better than kgd? Really?
 

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Mac I just looked at xc116 Nextel and it's a no go. Way too many negative things talking about how this thing needs to be treated in super high temperature in order to make it "less toxic".

Good morning and thanks for the comeback just. You obviously ran into the same frustrating phenomenon as I was looking at this from the outside trying to decide if I should try to quit more than 3 years ago. I'm unsure how you came about this impression. However, I know that the misinformation and hysteria on 3M Nextel as a wick was overwhelming and a disappointment to me as I tried to find answers then.

Being on the outside I instead relied on industry data and published science on the product to conclude that as a wicking media it represented an extraordinary opportunity for safe effective temp stable vaporization. A potential boon to vaping if its best attributes could be harnessed.

This was extremely important to me as I am an at-risk user. It has turned out to be for me the single most important factor in my long-term success.

(It allows me to run a great many devices relatively maintenance free compared to other wicking and a long-term consistent performance. Without this I could not enjoy the variety of alternatives that I do.)

Now that I wouldn't want to see anyone denied of due to inadequate or inaccurate information.

Having accomplished some considerable research I concluded for myself that there was some risk although none which represented any potential of permanent or chronic injury. At most and seldom, for some, a minor irritation. This prompted me to undertake a long-term study of the media's effectiveness and safety sharing in the process I believe more relevant observations here than anyone on results. I'm well aware of the successes and am most grateful for all of you who've undertaken your own experiments providing feedback.

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3M Nextel fiber braid is amorphous alumina. Essentially what also exudes from Kanthal when adequately heated to form the alumina oxide layer beneficial and optimal to the wire's performance. The sizing (or stiffener) present in Nextel is introduced by the maker to facilitate handling of the braid for its design purpose (wire insulation). The additive is not easy to correctly remove without the necessary technical training. However, the supplier presently kiln processing the material employs the precise technology and methods to properly prepare the media for our application (vaporization) excising the additives as specifically outlined by the maker. 3M braid is not "toxic". It is ceramic. It is used in a wide variety of human materials contact applications.

Like so many new developments by users in the vaping community, an exuberant but reactive communal synergy took over when Nextel was suggested. Many folks hopped on it for wicking promoting the "untreated" use of the raw media without understanding its industrial characteristics. There were frequent reports of adverse or unsatisfactory results consequently. These incidences continue to leave a wrongful impression which is difficult to correct despite the available science and favorable anecdotal reports of thousands of vapers here.

I would recommend all should do their own due diligence. But let me suggest that if conclusions are to be drawn about ceramic braid to please touch base for an opinion (as you have here) with those who understand what this material is, have been successful using it and creating effective winds for it. If a negative is found, please let's have a reference so we can determine the accuracy of the source and data.

This media as wicking may not be the ideal for everyone for any number of reasons. But it could be an important tool or complement for many of us given its appropriate use.

Hope these remarks and info I've posted elsewhere may be of use to those of you really needing a consistent, low-maintenance and rewarding vape. Some of us just don't have the time or means for anything more. Some need to have a tight control of their vaping results. For these and other reasons as well as it's outstanding neutral performance Nextel is an awesome alternative.

Good luck just and all the rest. :)
 
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Good reply Mac. Any suggestions on which treated Nextel brand I should look into? Which one are you using and where do you get it from?

Thx j. First deep search Nextel and my handle. I've posted links on the science. And if you need more I can share some published papers…if you're into that sorta thing. :D

The braid is sold by industrial, electrical, etc. distributors untreated. You don't wanna go there. Only one maker for the vape industry right now bro treating XS-116 (3mm). I had hoped there'd be many by now and a million vapers on the FDA's front lawn. But hey, why I'm here. Just trying to contribute to the means.

I would add, I am skeptical of makers introducing coil products, particularly verticals, using aggregate (finely chopped) ceramic labelled wicking. I'm amazed at any lack of user interest these days in the composition of materials we vape. A few years back there would have been a firestorm at the mention of each and every product. Trust the Nextel product because its linear fiber weave is continuous in composition. Brittle only in it's cut edges which can be managed in handling to mitigate any airborne particulates. It's mostly irritating to skin. The particles which do happen are larger than may be aspirated. However, that is strictly the spec for 3M's proprietary composition. Alumina ceramic comes in many forms.

So, don't get me wrong. I think your inquiry is important and valid.

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Good luck. :)
 
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Thanks slip. Havin' more fun with this than ever with this month being my 3rd anniv. Hands are slowin' down tho. Not doin' the several builds a day and takin' a few days off more often than not. Which makes it all the more enjoyable. But I'm on a building spree for a few finally getting around to lookin at RxD's 4mm. Think Jeremy might've jumped the gun pullin' it as big coils and builds are here to stay. I'm sure you might agree. Some could have a blast with it.

Lot of happy vapers over in UK today, methinks.

You take care and good luck. :)

p.s. Stuff wicks amazing vertically too. Downright juicy. But you know...

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Congratulation's on your 3yr's :toast:


Sorry it's taking me so long to reply, have got such a busy time at the mo with our house and family, every time I come and sit to type someone else wants a piece of me :D

Also try the rayon justadude! It's cheap anyway!
I'm also gonna try the Nextel if when I can get my hands on it, it sounds similar to some stuff I used called voodoo wool but it wasn't braided.

Mac I love my 2.5id coils, even at 200-300w lol but I have been slowly weaning myself to 3mm, every now and then I'll build one and enjoy the extra couple of seconds on the pull compared to the 1s I've been vaping for the last 2yrs which suits my not much time for anything lifestyle :D

And yes Mac things have gone good for us over here as regards the EU, I'm a very happy chap now! :D


I'm vaping this at the mo, it's a dual 3mm id
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Preciate that…and all you guys accomplished. Before I had to step in and get my hands dirty! :D

Good to stay busy with all the nonsense going on. It does wear ya down if you get too stuck in the muck with all the negatives. Need to be getting stuff done or this train loses steam. And we just can't be havin' that.

Don't think you'll be able to get (3mm) Nextel over there (it's restricted export) but you might look into. If so 2.75-2.80mm is ideal for a compromise flavor, diffusion build. You can get it into 2.5 and it's a cloud producer at high power but dries out too quickly. Nah, I'm thinkin' way more flow capacity, higher res, contact surface, and power. Yep, that's the ticket. Could have sworn you were one of those who tried ceramic way back when (I seldom forget an image).

Long live the vape. Good luck. :)

p.s. The 4mm, 3.57mm build was a fail (far too snug) in the long lead vertical. The weave and fiber are thick and tight. Before excess lead tension skewed it wrecking turn contact, the 7-open 22 was kickin' it. The weave and fiber are thick and tight. Need more Ø to make wick install less straining on the leads. Wick is awesome and I see it easily out-doin' other media on 100W+ rigs.
 

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Rx200s came in yesterday. Put an alien built in there. Wicked it as described above. So much flippin flavor it actually got me coughing a little. It's sitting at .32 ohms and I'm still trying to figure out which wattage I'm happy in. Most I took it to so far was only 70.

It's wicking insanely fast as long as I take shorter pulls. Tilting it sideways almost always gets juice in my mouth but it's not so bad since this strawberry milk is so delicious.

Experimented at 45 watts with super long 5 seconds and up pulls and I noticed it went a bit dry. At 70 Watts it's impossible to take such a long pull because there is just so much vapor being produced. Any thoughts on best wattage for this?
 
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…It's wicking insanely fast as long as I take shorter pulls… I noticed it went a bit dry. At 70 Watts it's impossible to take such a long pull because there is just so much vapor being produced. Any thoughts on best wattage for this?

Short answer: You need more wick for that beast bro!

Upping the watts is like steppin' on the gas. You need to have the flow or you don't go. Wick drying out fast is not the same as fast flow (wicking). Just means you flushed the juice that was there quickly.

Yeah you get a big cloud no doubt upwards of 60 but by diffusion (heat dispersion of the flow you had) and not consistent phase transition.

Increase the flow to up vaporization (both juice and air). Then you will see a more consistent (sustainable) volume and density. More vapor, more flavor.

Big diff between building for effect and building for the vape.

Good luck. :)

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Indeed, you may need more wick in there. Just make sure the wick holes are not plugged and there is a place for air to escape.

You have to play around with your wattage and wicking technique.

Next time you get a dry hit remove the cap and take a picture of the build and wick.
 

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I only got close to a dry hit on like 40 Watts with a very long pull. Other than that when I'm 60 and up I take shorter pulls because of all the vapor and have yet to get a dry hit. What am I missing here buds?

I can put more wick in there, and I think the juice in my mouth will stop. Am I reading you guys right?
 

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The thin wick feeding in to the tank feeds the thicker wick inside your coils. You shouldn't need more wick then you have but if you believe it's an issue try more wick.

To be honest you need to experiment. No one here is going to be able to tell you exactly how much cotton to use for a wick or how much power you need exactly. You need to experiment and vape on it and make adjustments you believe you need to make.

Personally I have no trouble with my tank wicked like yours and I run fused claptons around 130 watts.
 
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So I gave it more cotton, still got holes open, and if I want to avoid the burnt taste I have to take short pulls. Anything longer than 5 second pull and I'll get a burnt taste. It's funny though cause when I pulled the old cotton out there wasn't any discoloration on the part of the cotton that was inside the coil. So I don't understand. I've tried with higher and lower Watts 70-60 and same thing, short pulls otherwise burnt taste on anything longer than 4 seconds. Sigh.
 
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I just got home. This thing has been sitting for hours. I hit it for 2 seconds and boom. Dry hit. Can someone explain this to me cause it's starting to get on my nerves. I have no idea why I'm getting a dry hit. I tilt it. Dry hit. 65 Watts. Dry hit. Short pull. Dry hit. Dafak

Wicks are to the bottom of the tank. Makes no difference. Alien coil flavor beast. Makes no difference. Little cotton. Makes no difference. More cotton. Still no difference. I have no idea anymore what to do with this thing and am completely puzzled. I honestly thought I had all bases covered. Apparently not. Help me guys :(
 
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